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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 06:00 AM
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You can make any car fast.

A civic is nothing compared to a corvette in build quality, handling, etc. etc. And a corvette has to make less compromises to go fast, because that's what its designed to do.

Not really fair to compare them. But you can buy a used F-body for less than 5 grand and make it a 10 second car for about the same money you can make a civic a 10 second car. Compare the corvette to something its actually comparable to, like an S2000 and I think things get more even.
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 06:04 AM
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not to mention front wheel drive is the worst thing ever for performance
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 07:00 AM
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This is a pointless argument. As others have stated, you can make anything into a 10 second car if you throw enough money at it. At the end of the day, you need to drive what you like. Not just because it's fast but because it also looks good and you look good driving it.

No offence to all the Honda Civic ricers out there but, Civics look like cheap grocery getters which, is what they were designed to be. No matter how fast they get, this fact will never change. They even look slow going fast. Some people like having a sh*tty looking car that kicks the *** of unassuming exotic sportscar drivers.

For me, it's about the total driving experience. I'd rather be in a "slow" Corvette than a fast souped-up Civic.
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 11:57 AM
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I built a turbo CRX back in the day, and ride my Yamaha R1 when the weather is nice. The Corvette is a Corvette. Sometimes it's not all about being fast. There will always be something faster.

Dollar for Dollar. I would say they cost about the same to run x.xx quarter mile times. The LSX just has a head start.
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 12:25 PM
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Is this really a thread just to crap on honda?




Also just an FYI. The C7 will for all intents and purposes have vtec. Have a nice day simpletons.

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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybermind
This is a pointless argument. As others have stated, you can make anything into a 10 second car if you throw enough money at it. At the end of the day, you need to drive what you like. Not just because it's fast but because it also looks good and you look good driving it.

No offence to all the Honda Civic ricers out there but, Civics look like cheap grocery getters which, is what they were designed to be. No matter how fast they get, this fact will never change. They even look slow going fast. Some people like having a sh*tty looking car that kicks the *** of unassuming exotic sportscar drivers.

For me, it's about the total driving experience. I'd rather be in a "slow" Corvette than a fast souped-up Civic.
if it's about experience you can't discount the s2000. it has better steering feedback and is more predictable in corners than a c5.
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 98VetteDan
I mentioned my definition of VTEC to a Honda enthusiast friend of mine. The following is the argument that has ensued so far:

Me: VTEC = VirtuallyTorquelessEconomyCar

Him: VTEC = spend half the money of a **** *** domestic and run 9 second quarter miles without blowing up...

Me: VTEC is just a crutch that Honda uses to make their tiny engines more drivable. Their small displacement engines need to spin HIGH RPMs in order to make power, and be cammed for optimum air/fuel and exhaust flow at high RPM. This causes their engines to have almost ZERO low RPM torque.

On the other hand, my Corvette's LS1 has very good low RPM torque due to larger displacement and can make horsepower at both high AND low RPMs.

It's just a simple fact that my LS1 makes more HORSEPOWER & TORQUE than any Honda or Acura engine, including the NSX.

And speaking of blowing up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsVFXA6fB9o&sns=em

Him: Don't get me wrong the ls series v8s are gods gift to domestics they are truly potent motors, and boosted they are serious competitors in the car world, I'm just saying for the price of a corvette you could buy and build a 9 second Honda with proper boost and tuning and legitimate parts. And still have money left over for a steak dinner. There's quite a few daily driven 9-10 second Hondas in Sacramento, an they probably still get better gas mileage then a corvette.

What I'm about to say: I picked up my 1998 C5 Corvette for $6,800. The Average Book Value on it with 96k miles is $16,000 in our area. It had a $1300 B&B Exhaust on it when I purchased. I just put a Vararam-B2 Intake on which only cost me $200. I would put my C5 against any $7,000 Honda any day and EAT IT FOR DINNER! By the way, I get 35 MPG cruising at 70 MPH on the freeway!

Does anyone have any good points they would like to add to this argument?
Todays youth, What a shame.....
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Bill
Todays youth, What a shame.....
i thought it was lulzy when he said a 6800 c5 with 98k. #1 that's under what it would fetch at a dealer auction so it's either a salvage or really rough.

this is a troll thread.

but trolling is kind of fun
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by crazystevex
I'd like to see a "9 sec daily driver" honda beat a Corvette around a road course... not gonna happen
Nor will a 9 second Corvette beat a fairly stock Z06 with small road racing mods around a road course. They are two cars built for different purposes. I don't think those rear slicks and front skinnies with the auto tranny would do too well at the road track.

Put a Corvette against an H1 class Honda and see what happens...you'd be damn surprised.

The fact is, Corvette vs Honda is a ridiculous argument. I built MANY and I mean MANY import cars...custom forced induction, full suspension, custom brakes, etc. You can never FIX the issue of FWD though. I had a 430whp Del Sol...built LS/vtec, GT3082R, E85, PIC suspension, custom NSX brakes, etc. I had an incredibly balanced car, that was a terror on street tires in a straight line. Under power though, it wouldn't turn. Front wheels doing two jobs.

In the end though, those who have never built or owned Honda's don't understand them, because they are uneducated...period. Honda's are amazing machines to work on. They respond to modification in every bit the same way Corvettes and the LSx platform does. I can build a MONSTER of a Honda for 6k bucks including the car. Then I call the insurance company, and they think I have a 128hp Civic grocery getter.

Is the Corvette a "better" car...yes, in most ways it really is. It's a far more capable platform. It's built to a specific purpose, so of course it does it well. Honda's are simply...simple to work on...that's why so many build them. They are great cars to learn on, great cars to toy with. They had the modular nature LONG before GM in terms of engine interchangeability.

I LOVE Corvettes...and my supercharged Z06 places my baddest Honda's in the back of my mind...believe me. The fact is though...I still respect how potent a honda can be. I purely raped unsuspecting muscle car people in Honda's more times than I can count or recall.

Another simple perspective is...you the Corvette driver...all cocky about what you drive versus the Honda guy, are no different to the Lambo or Ferrari guy. My Corvette annihilates many exotics at the road course all the time. Fact is though, in my supercharged Z06 I'm the Honda guy again. The one with the cheap *** car, with the junk interior who had to build his car to beat them, etc. So, for me...it never ends, and you're never better. Someone is always faster, always driving better...period.

Get over yourself OP

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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 03:23 PM
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I'll not argue whether a Honda can beat a Vette or if they are more reliable.

bottom line, they are still a fecking Honda.
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Phanni
I'll not argue whether a Honda can beat a Vette or if they are more reliable.

bottom line, they are still a fecking Honda.


Its just a chevy.
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gigdy


Its just a chevy.
And everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gigdy


Its just a chevy.
Wow, This isn't a first time I have seen a post by you and got offended when someone was talking Honda...
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 04:36 PM
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LMAO @ 'Giddy'
FWIW I look down on all ricers just because they sound like sh*t, look worse and usually have a coffee can for a muffler..

Is there any way I can offend you more, , I'll try if you wish,
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Phanni
LMAO @ 'Giddy'
FWIW I look down on all ricers just because they sound like sh*t, look worse and usually have a coffee can for a muffler..

Is there any way I can offend you more, , I'll try if you wish,
Gotta love a public forum...
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 09:15 PM
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I'm pretty sure my lawn mower has a Honda motor in it, maybe i should build it up and rice it down the road, NOT
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Gigdy
Is this really a thread just to crap on honda?




Also just an FYI. The C7 will for all intents and purposes have vtec. Have a nice day simpletons.
I don't think anyone is saying that VTEC is not good technology. Infact, the original post was basically saying the opposite, saying that VTEC helped make a 1.6 or 2.0 or whatever engine something that has a decent amount of power for it's size.

I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone here who thinks variable valve timing is bad.
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Here is my opinion, I would rather show up to a business meeting wearing a suit and tie in my slow stock Corvette than in a fast "corvette eating" $1500 honda that has $5K worth of mods. Tell me my horse is high all you want, but a Honda and Corvette are in completely different classes and if I wanted a super fast Honda I would buy one, but I prefer my slow Corvette.
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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 02:35 AM
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Reading posts like this embarrasses me that some of you guys drive the same car as me.....
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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 04:47 AM
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With enough money anything can beat anything. Unless you are comparing stock year for year cars, it's a money game. Now take a stock 99C5 against a stock 99 civic. Exactly. Not even in the same league. The S2000 was ok it seemed but you do a quick search on S2000 quarter mile times and people are bragging about their 13 second passes and even the NSX was doing 13s. All stock again.
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