VTEC vs LSx!
Race Director
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From: oregon
With enough money anything can beat anything. Unless you are comparing stock year for year cars, it's a money game. Now take a stock 99C5 against a stock 99 civic. Exactly. Not even in the same league. The S2000 was ok it seemed but you do a quick search on S2000 quarter mile times and people are bragging about their 13 second passes and even the NSX was doing 13s. All stock again.
in the 1/4 mile the c5 is considerably faster. on an autocross course that gap is narrowed by a lot
Burning Brakes
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From: Charleston, SC
Implying that honda as a brand is beneath you. Youre no different then that snob BMW driver that thinks corvettes are crap because they are made by chevy, or that honda driver that hates all domestics. Simple and closed minded.
Racer
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From: El Paso TX
Not only ignorance, but arrogance. Many times I've parked the Z06 to hang out with the Miata guys in my $3000 NA. It might be one of the most underpowered cars on the road, but I have a blast driving it. Same if I had a civic, a focus, or something that is relatively fun to drive. Am I a ricer then?
I would embarrass half of the local Pontiac GTO (2nd gen) club with my last VW, both in the straights and turns. Funny how their attitude went from "haha, hipster car" to "holy crap that's a fast Jetta."
I would embarrass half of the local Pontiac GTO (2nd gen) club with my last VW, both in the straights and turns. Funny how their attitude went from "haha, hipster car" to "holy crap that's a fast Jetta."
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From: Haymarket VA
A few years ago one of those fart-pipe Honda's wanted to race me. His condition, I would have to remove the wires on 4 spark plugs to make it even. I told him "Sure, if you remove one of your cams". 
FWIW: I'd love to have a nicely turbo'd S2000 with all the suspension goodies.
FWIW: I'd love to have a nicely turbo'd S2000 with all the suspension goodies.
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Melting Slicks
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Making a vehicle perform around a race track like a corvette requires a large group of some of the most talented automotive engineers in the world. Even if you have a PHD in electrical and mechanical engineering, you aren't going to create something that is engineered to perfect harmony like a corvette out of a car that was designed for 225 hp. There is no one person that has the capabilities of all the GM corvette engineers put together.
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From: oregon
Making a vehicle perform around a race track like a corvette requires a large group of some of the most talented automotive engineers in the world. Even if you have a PHD in electrical and mechanical engineering, you aren't going to create something that is engineered to perfect harmony like a corvette out of a car that was designed for 225 hp. There is no one person that has the capabilities of all the GM corvette engineers put together.
it's all about balancing the budget. corvette puts more umph in performance at it's given price than about anything else. in fact the s2000 wasn't all that much less than a c5 but had a less expensive to produce engine, frame and drivetrain. honda did however put more money in the interior
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From: Clay New York
The whole Corvette vs Honda thread
I have been a sports car fan all my life. I had a 69 Z28 and saved money to buy a new 74 Corvette. I am currently driving a 2003 C5. I also own a 2009 Honda Accord Sport Coupe 6 cyl with a 6 speed. I love both cars. The Honda is extremely refined, fast and fit and finish are exemplary. It is not a track car but for touring its a blast. Black on black leather, beautiful styling. I know its good for 200,000 to 300,000 miles with routine mtc.
The C5 is gorgeous. Fit and finish is not great. The interior is sub par. The drive train is one of the best in the world. The engine is absolutely world class. Handling is awesome. I absolutely love my Corvette. It is truly a legendary sports car. On a beautiful day its the car to be in.
This is a comparison of oranges and apples in many respects including vehicle price point. The most expensive mainstream Honda maxs out at about 32,000. If you discredit Honda racing and engineering your world view in my opinion is limited. GM makes a world class sports car and has over 60 years of proving that. There are totally different mission statements between these manufactures. You have to appreciate each for what it accomplishes.
The C5 is gorgeous. Fit and finish is not great. The interior is sub par. The drive train is one of the best in the world. The engine is absolutely world class. Handling is awesome. I absolutely love my Corvette. It is truly a legendary sports car. On a beautiful day its the car to be in.
This is a comparison of oranges and apples in many respects including vehicle price point. The most expensive mainstream Honda maxs out at about 32,000. If you discredit Honda racing and engineering your world view in my opinion is limited. GM makes a world class sports car and has over 60 years of proving that. There are totally different mission statements between these manufactures. You have to appreciate each for what it accomplishes.
Le Mans Master
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From: Rockledge FL
yes but the original post was fast in a straight line with no mention of a road course. Id still take a Z06 around a race track. Reminds me of the time a civic bounced it off the limiter a few times when I was in my 454 C3 vert next to him. He asked me if I wanted to try my luck with that POS. I told him win or lose. I am still driving a 500hp chrome bumper vette. You are driving your moms civic. He stalled on the green.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Asheville NC
A few years ago one of those fart-pipe Honda's wanted to race me. His condition, I would have to remove the wires on 4 spark plugs to make it even. I told him "Sure, if you remove one of your cams".
FWIW: I'd love to have a nicely turbo'd S2000 with all the suspension goodies.
Turbo S2000 vs Z06 Corvette - YouTube
FWIW: I'd love to have a nicely turbo'd S2000 with all the suspension goodies.
Turbo S2000 vs Z06 Corvette - YouTube
Pro
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From: Vancouver British Columbia
Wouldn't a better comparison equate to a specific model:
Corvette Vs NSX, Civic vs Cavalier, etc., last time I checked, Honda has competed successfully in the PINNACLE of all auto racing, F1, can't say the same for Chevy.
Having said that, these comparisons are ignorant and immature. C5 Vettes are relatively inexpensive, can't buy a new Accord for that amount, why the snobbish attitude of some
Vette owner's I'll never understand.
Corvette Vs NSX, Civic vs Cavalier, etc., last time I checked, Honda has competed successfully in the PINNACLE of all auto racing, F1, can't say the same for Chevy.
Having said that, these comparisons are ignorant and immature. C5 Vettes are relatively inexpensive, can't buy a new Accord for that amount, why the snobbish attitude of some
Vette owner's I'll never understand.
Melting Slicks
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From: Rochester Hills MI
corvette still has budget restraints. some of the all out companies like pagani are examples of wide open budgets. the zonda would be an example of a clean slate.
it's all about balancing the budget. corvette puts more umph in performance at it's given price than about anything else. in fact the s2000 wasn't all that much less than a c5 but had a less expensive to produce engine, frame and drivetrain. honda did however put more money in the interior
it's all about balancing the budget. corvette puts more umph in performance at it's given price than about anything else. in fact the s2000 wasn't all that much less than a c5 but had a less expensive to produce engine, frame and drivetrain. honda did however put more money in the interior
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St. Jude Donor '12-'13-'14
It's just a little four cylinder....Hah...Imports can be MONSTERS in the right hands. Haters gonna Hate.
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That's all fine and good, But I can't stand the sound of them, That is not how Hot Rods sounds.
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From: Endicott New York
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There ain't nothin' like good old American iron (or in our case aluminum) and cubic inches. They haven't been writing songs about Honda Civics for the last 60 years. I've had both, and guess what!
Drifting
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From: new york new york
funny ,im in this boat owning a high hp civic and now a z06 that im putting a charger and cam in as i type ....for me it dont matter the car as long as its fast ...i will say i veered away from the import seen after being involved for 10 years cause of the rif raf ....but i do check in all the time
Race Director
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From: oregon
endyn which is one of the best honda builders in the country and also a corvette enthusiast will charge you north of 10k for a honda motor that can handle actual track duty.
guys talk about building 11 second hondas for 10k counting the car and you absolutely can do it.
they just don't mention how long it stays alive
personally i think the high point of honda are with cars like the integra R stock. it was 200hp and 2600lbs with short gearing, got 28-30mpg and ran high 14s but was extremely nimble, had an LSD, did wonderful in snow and had a virtual small pick up truck bed with the seats down for storage. it was a very useful and reliable daily drive if you just left it alone
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Racer
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From: Sacramento CA
I'm actually only 23 years old. And I do have respect for ANYTHING fast. I have also attended the SEMA Show for the last 3 years. I actually purchased my 1998 Corvette for $6,300 with 93k miles, NEW B&B Exhaust, Cross Drilled and Slotted Rotors, C6 Z06 Wheels, SS Braided Brake Lines and High Quality Leather Aftermarket Seats. The car also has virtually every factory option for the 1998 model year. Since purchasing the car I have added a Vararam-B2 Cold Air Intake, 12'' Polk Audio Subwoofer and a 800 Watt CRUNCH Amp. That makes the Grand Total come to $6,800 I have spent on my 1998 C5. I LOVE it with a passion. I also am a Corvette Racing Fan who got to see them DOMINATE the ALMS Competition last year winning the Drivers, Team and Manufactures Championships! This year is no different with their recent WIN at Sebring. I also love to look at Laguna Seca Lap Times where the 2013 ZR1 is #1! For Example, The 2013 Lexus LFA is a $375,000 BASE PRICE CAR and GETS SPANKED by the $112,600 MSRP ZR1! The Corvette IS and ALWAYS will be the BEST bang for your buck production car IN THE WORLD! I would also like to see a Honda beat a CORVETTE around a road track!
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