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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 02:07 PM
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My story; I had my car at my mechanic for about 2 weeks. He tried installing the Bypass and had no luck. Car kept shutting off after about 2-5 feet. So, I found pictures of the K-harness cuz the dealership fixed my Column lock issue in November '08. Whole story in another post about Nov '08. I bought the Bypass in Nov' 08 but never installed it because of a new battery. Dumb idea. So, my mechanic and i decided to call a tow truck to take it back to the dealership. Mechanic had already put everything back together without the Bypass. When we went into the garage to start it up we had to jump start the car with a battery pack. After it started, my mechanic pulled it out of the garage. Went backwards and frontwards real fast. We were looking at each other like "what did you do?" The car didn't have no Service Column lock errors.

I took it to Sears to get a new battery. They pulled off the battery and installed a new battery. When I attempted to drive it...I got the Service Column lock error. The car shut off after 2 feet. DANG!!!!!!

12.7 volts concept: The Sears mechanic's and I plugged in a wall charger and got the volts up to about 14. The error did not go away. Apparently the car displays a voltage of 12.4 or 12.6 on startup. I read somewhere that it had to be above 12.7. That is why we used the wall charger and the car was reading 13.7 or 14 on startup but the error never went away. Corvettes of Dallas said once you have the error it will never go away 'til you install the Bypass. I asked "..why did it do go away at the shop???" No answer.

Called a tow truck. But since I had all of the instructions from this forum printed out, I started to work on installing the bypass. I found the K-harness. Disconnected it. It took me about 45 minutes total. By 8pm, I had the problem resolved. Cancelled the tow. Drove the car home with the wires hanging. I'm happy. I'm going to my garage now to touch up the wires and put the panels back on and drive around Dallas tonight.

***that was weird. Why did the error message disappear?????? odd??? Anyways, I have the Bypass installed. Hopefully, I never see that problem again.

Same thing for me... my car is at the dealer because it shut off after 2 feet... it's a 2002 z06.
But my steering is not lock, I can turn the wheel left and right.

The dealer just command a part that he name "steering harness and relay", 230$cad

Will this fix my trouble???

Should I buy a CLB after that???

Sorry for my bad english ;P
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Old Jun 11, 2009 | 01:59 PM
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I'm not sure maybe someone touched on this subject on this thread but I didn't catch it. My car came up with the "Service Column Lock" message in the DIC and wouldn't move far without cutting off. So I read on the forum that there was a recall on the column lock and I trailered my car to the nearest Chevy dealership. I was told by the dealership that they would replace the column lock harness but some "motor" that controls the column lock is bad and will be 500+ to get fixed. My buddy seems to think they mean the tilt column motor but is not sure. Any advice would be helpful. I don't want to spend the money if I don't have to. I knew they were gonna find something wrong.
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Old Jun 30, 2009 | 11:16 AM
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hey i have been reading your post, my 2001 vette manual looks to have all the wiring colors of your step 3 but it has a k harnes im so cunfused,my steering does not lock at all but it says its locked and the 10 key thing comes on, but if i take neg off battery and wait 10 min car runs great untill i turn off and restart can u help please
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Old Jul 2, 2009 | 11:11 AM
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so.. I had the CLB put in about a year ago.. never had to get a toe truck, but maybe once a week, or so, it still gives me the 10 second thing, and stalls out at 2mph, but it seems once i take the key out and (wait 10 seconds) and put it back in, it is fine, no problems.


any advice? ideas?? something!!!!

thank u

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Old Jul 3, 2009 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cepter
so.. I had the CLB put in about a year ago.. never had to get a toe truck, but maybe once a week, or so, it still gives me the 10 second thing, and stalls out at 2mph, but it seems once i take the key out and (wait 10 seconds) and put it back in, it is fine, no problems.


any advice? ideas?? something!!!!

thank u

drew
Drew,
I have a 98 and nothing worked for me until I did this. It's been three months and no problems. Click on the link and read post #1 and post #20. If you have any questions let me know. I hope this helps you.
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Old Jul 4, 2009 | 03:23 PM
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Default K harness removal and COH CBL installation

There are many very worthwhile posts here on steering column lock and I have a couple of specific questions:

I have an invoice from Chevrolet saying they put in a K harness in campaign C01044. Another post says Chevrolet really only re-programed the PCM to cut off fuel if there is a column lock warning and did not install K harnesses regardless what the invoice for this work might say.

Another post here on the forum says if the K harness has been installed, the wiring harness at the lock side will have blue, green, purple and orange wires on the lock side and at the first connector the harness will have blue, green, purple and white wires on the other side of the connector leading to the BCM.

Corvettes of Houston (COH) says to install their CBL you must remove the K harness which and if it has been installed, it is easy to see and will be located between the first connector and plugged into the original wire to the BCM.

Well, the K harness, if it is there, is not easy to detect and have removal all the dash panels and everything below and around the steering wheel.

On my Vette the bundle of wires past the first connector do have a white wire, but this harness of wires is very uniformly bundled with a number of harness and professionally taped into a channel leading to "god knows where". It does not seem like the work of a safety campaign service job. It looks original to when the car was assembled. And no where can I see what looks like a K harness (though it is kind of difficult to get a good idea what the K harness looks like from the pictures available on the forum).

So my questions:

1. Has anybody removed a K harness to install a Corvettes of Houston (COH) CLB?
2. Does a white wire in the harness leading way from the first connector to the BCM definitely mean it is a K Harness, even in this case if it professionally bundled with a bunch of other harnesses and fitted into a wiring channel taped up with other bundles? (i know no one knows what the mechanic doing the campaign service did, but does it seem reasonable he would go through so much detailed neat work to install the K harness, something no one will ever see again?)
3. Where and how far down the line from the first connector should one find the K harness if it is there? And where would it be connected to the original harness leading to the BCM?

It seem to be very important to pull the K harness before installing the CLB or you could lock up the steering wheel. I wish I could ask COH but their service manager, Chris, is particularly unhelpful ("just remove the K harness") ask for more details and you get "just remove the K harness" louder and with more irritation. Others at COH try to be helpful, but don't have the answers.

Thanks for any help you can provide. Call me at (925) 820-4202, if it would be easier to answer verbally than in print.

Mike Hall (Bobothree)
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 04:33 PM
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Default Wires cut!!!

This is my first thread here, so please bear with me as I don't know the proper etiquette with posting this but...
I've searched this forum high and low for something similar to what I have going on. I even searched for the term "cut wires" and only found one post and it didn't help me.

I own a 2001 Z06, have only owned it for a few months... Of course I've been recently 'blessed' with the "service column lock" message and the 2mph fuel cutoff. I called the dealer and they have already done the recall on this car. So after much research I decided to have a look for myself, see exactly what was done under the dash. Here's what I saw...

1) There are only two relays, one black, one grey. I assume those are the Theft Deterrent and Blower Motor relays. No Column Lock relay?

2) There are three wires taped to another wiring harness (K harness?) and they were cut and taped with duct tape. YIKES!!! Real fancy work.

Anybody have an idea as to what's happened here? I haven't purchased the CLB yet as I live in CAN and would prefer not to wait 2-3 weeks for delivery only to find that wasn't the problem.

Thanks in advance.

Chris.
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 07:13 PM
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Thanks to Cscokd's superbly written FAQ's, Bill Curlee and 8VETTE7, I'm back on the road after being stranded and getting towed home.

The multitude of recalls and the aggravation with all of this is amazing. The good news is that it can be dealt with. I had the first generation recall (04006) with a wire kit/relay installed in the passenger footwell. After figuring out which recall I had done to it, it was pretty much a snap thanks again to the forum and the folks mentioned. Hats off to them and all who help 'da family' of Corvette owners...... I simply pulled the relay, jumped 87 to 30 and that was that. Too bad all our gremlins can't be tamed that easy!

Thanks a ton gentlemen!!!
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Old Jul 9, 2009 | 10:44 AM
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I would like to help, but I learned about a very small sliver of this column lock issue and think it would be wrong to offer an opinion which could easily lead you astray. I would read all forums, stay with the people who seem to have done the most research and appear to have some hands on experience.
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Old Jul 9, 2009 | 05:27 PM
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Hello,

three weeks ago, I got a Service column lock Indication on my dash.
The car didn't go over 1 mph.
I solve the problem removing the K Harness that is installed in the recall.
But today the same probleme came back....

What should I do, please help me I need my car !!!!

Thanks
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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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July 12, 2009, My 2001 C5, Steering Column locked. I twed to dealer. After I mentioned the recall, the Dealer indicated it is covered by the recall.

A question is, how long does GM have to cover recalls?
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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 11:46 PM
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Question. With HP Tuner, can I do anything if the car is currently locked??? I don't want to pay a premium to GM if I don't have to. CL is currently locked the hell up haha.
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 01:37 PM
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Dealer called me. Part to replace is $104. Total price quoted = $665.

WTF?

Time to make some phone calls.
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 04:50 PM
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Big thanks to 8Vette7. His PM's saved me $500. I went to the dealer and did what he told me, BAM! Car was running and CL was free'd up. It's now sitting in the driveway awaiting a CLB (will be here tomorrow) and I'll be driving it to work tomorrow night. Thanks again!
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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 08:38 PM
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Default column lock pin 87 to pin 30

could somebody explain this method in detail as i have searched and cannot find a how to! which pin is what thanks
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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 12:32 PM
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I just wanted to report in a similar problem that someone else had here...
the recall had been performed on my 2002 Z06 before I bought the car 9n 2005. I tried to install the CLB twice but it would not work, and after reading here, I assume because of the harness.
the battery went very low on the car this week (in Germany) and I tried to start the car, and it barely started. However the "service column lock" message came one. The column did not lock however, and did move freely, even with the ignition off, confirming the GM modification. The car, however, drove fine too, without the fuel cutoff.
I read a post here about a member disconnecting the battery and reconnecting it later. I did so, reconnecting after an hour. message is now gone and everything is fine. Ill report if any more occurences appear.
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Old Jul 24, 2009 | 08:43 PM
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Just a notice to all who may be interested, with regard to MN6 M12 cars there has been a revised recall notice for these cars. As of 2006 GM certified service centers have been advised to REMOVE the locking plate from ALL vehicles. All documents relating to recall notice 04006B were to be destroyed and replaced with 04006C which instructs the removal of the locking plate from ALL ECL motors. If you think this may apply to you try contacting your local GM service center and mention this bulletin, I live in NJ and I went through this, although my situation was a bit more complicated as I had an issue with a previous dealer that went bankrupt. At this point it appears that GM doesn't even want the trouble of having the ECL operational, even with a PCM reprogram. I have installed a CLB and haven't had a problem since; is anyone aware of an ECL motor accidentally locking up with CLB installed? Thanks.

http://www.c5registry.com/Technical/GMP0g.htm

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Old Jul 24, 2009 | 09:35 PM
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If you read the first page the thread started mentions the potential for CLB failure. Having found no articles on this myself I wanted to ask if any members here have personally had any issues relating to CLBs as mine is only a few months old. I have a 2002 and in terms of possible BCM issues I dont know how a CLB issue would play out, I am curious to see if any members have had any personal experience with this.


Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
Read that letter carefully and notice the Feb 2008 date. If you took the car back to GM BEFORE that date the dealer would do that service to the car free of charge even if they had already done a previous variation of their recall at no charge. Since that date has passed the customer must pay to have that service done IF a previous variation of the recall service had been applied to the car at GM's expense. For the few cars that have NEVER had a GM recall service applied, the dealer MUST do the work at no charge to the customed.

In answer to your question about the ECL locking up with a CLB installed. How could it lock up?????? If the CLB is installed correctly the wiring to the ECL (actuator) gets disconnected with the pin retracted so that the ECL no longer has power. How could it operate with no power???????????????
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Old Jul 24, 2009 | 10:25 PM
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Thanks for the info, I would have never looked into that forum for CLB issue. I purchased my CLB from adaptive perormance, they dont sell much but seem to have a few bases covered for LS1s. I will look into the PCM reprogram, that may save a major headache down the road. Again thanks for the info. .. if you have any insight into the HVAC system, I would greatly appreciate any advice you may have on an issue I have posted in this thread

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-t...post1570903368

Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
A CLB is like any other man made device. Of course it can fail. If you had done some reading of a very current thread :

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-t...into-gear.html


this gentleman says his CLB failed and his mechanic came up with an alternative solution..

The column locking is only the tip of the iceberg. If the GM recall service has been done then you will more likely get bit by the fuel shutoff that results when the column lock system signals are not received back by the BCM. Either locked column or fuel shutoff, the GM solution is a total failure. A properly installed CLB insures the column will not lock. And as long as the CLB doesn't fail the fuel shutoff will not be an issue. If the CLB fails the column won't lock but the fuel shutoff will still get you. See the above mentioned thread for an example of that.

If you want to totally avoid the fuel shutoff you need to have the PCm reprogrammed to set the fuel shutoff speed to a high number like 255. Then even is the CLB does fail the car is driveable until you get to 255mph............

However, the aftermarket CLB's are far more relaible than is the GM solution. Just do a search on Column Lock and for the past month there are at least two dozen. That compared to the one CLB that apparently failed.
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
The motor they want to replace is the Actuator or electric motor that locks and unlocks the column. I'd replace it with a CLB. I have to run to an appointment but later this afternoon I can PM you a lot of info that will save you the bulk of the $500 the dealer wants to charge and the column lock and fuel shutoff issue will be solved once and for good.
HELP PLEASE
Hi, wondering if you can give me some insight and or direction as well.
My 99 mn6, steering has locked up. Have the DIC display (wait 10 etc). It's at shop now.
They tell me it needs steering lock motor (not accuator) They say doesn't knopw of bi pass.
The vehicle apparently had the ECL wire harness replaced or repaired.

They want $550 for part. + diag. + tax =$1200 !!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for your assist.
Missississauga, Ontario
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