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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by EHS
Stop the personal attacks -- once again, your breeding is showing.
Ignorance is infact bliss I suppose. That must be why the world seems so peachy to you.

Who needs a new intake because they are all equal.. Yup you got it.

How about I up my wager to $1000.

You ready to pony up with all your deep insight into the subject?

I figure I won't get an answer to this because it's obvious you know just how ignorant you are.

Next you gonna tell the teacher were picking on you, or maye tell me your dad can beat up mine.

Pathetic that you are a Vette owner.
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 01:09 AM
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no ifs, ands or buts........VARARAM
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 90 droptop
I heard he defaulted.... now please (again) explain why VARARAM is at fault. Come on, set me straight.
EHS... still waiting for you to spill the beans. Just like the thread below, when you and Korreck get called out, you just disappear. Nice credibility.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...hlight=vararam

How about taking Aquaman up on his offer????????? You bet your paycheck in a previous thread...... and then puss'd out when called out.
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 12:23 PM
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Well????

I'm waiting.


Tick, tock, tick, tock........
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquaman
So between Korreck and idot boy (read as EHS) we are to believe that the factory Manifolds are "good enough" and "all intakes are equal" That's good news. Now how about you take a C5 with a zip tie mod Intake and factory manifolds with no other mods and I'll take a C5 with Vararm and LG headers as the only mods and we run 'em down the track for oh say $500.

I'm game. I'm sure we can make this happen..

So who's gonna step up, EHS......Korreck.....EHS.....Korreck.... ..I'll be happy to let any third party hold the money. Hell I'll travel to make this happen.

Come on step up to the plate.
Ok, I’ll race you in a zip tie mod only car as long as EHS and Korreck pay up when I lose…..
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MGorman
Ok, I’ll race you in a zip tie mod only car as long as EHS and Korreck pay up when I lose…..
It's a deal

EHS....Korreck....

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!! or shut the &^%* up and admit you don't know what you are talking about

Your combined ignorance on the subject is going to scare away people who could benifit from the truth. The Blackwing works and works well, The Vararam just works better.
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquaman
It's a deal

EHS....Korreck....

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!! or shut the &^%* up and admit you don't know what you are talking about

Your combined ignorance on the subject is going to scare away people who could benifit from the truth. The Blackwing works and works well, The Vararam just works better.
I agree with the part of this that is not so hostile. The vararam will certainly outperform the blackwing at the track. On the dyno is a deferent story because the car is at a standstill. I have the blackwing, but i dont race and dont plan to with my current vette. If I did choose to race, I would certainly swap with the vararam. I am not sure how the vararam stacks up against the bottom breathers like vortex and callaway? Can anyone answer this? It seems logical to me that the vararam would perform better than these because air is entering straight in through the ducts in the fog light housings rather than from underneath the car as is the case with the bottom breathers. Is this thinking on target?
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 90 droptop
I heard he defaulted.... now please (again) explain why VARARAM is at fault. Come on, set me straight.
I too am still awaiting this answer. FWIW... When I got my Vette last year, I joined the forum almost immediately, and have only ordered parts from forum vendors. Shortly after purchasing my car, I ordered a catback and intake... I tried contacted RJ by phone and email for price quotes. No answer on the phone, and I got an email back 10 days after getting my intake from Speed Demon, and 3 days after getting my catback that was backordered from TByrne. I would venture a guess that this could play into why exit 28 went out fo buisness. Also, FWIW, Andy and Melissa from A&A Corvette are a "mom and pop" parts/tuner.. If you have ever tried scheduling to get your car in to A&A, you will know that between some innovation and outstanding customer service, it is VERY POSSIBLE to "make it" with the likes of LG, Lingenfelter, 21MC, and WCC. Granted, he is probably the exception, and not the rule, it is still very possible.

BTW, I have a VaraRam, and am very pleased with it. I haven't personally tested it against the blackwing or any other aftermarket intakes, but I'm pleased with it.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 07:42 AM
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Korreck, EHS


Money.....Mouth......cowboy up boys
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by KapUSMC
I too am still awaiting this answer. FWIW... When I got my Vette last year, I joined the forum almost immediately, and have only ordered parts from forum vendors. Shortly after purchasing my car, I ordered a catback and intake... I tried contacted RJ by phone and email for price quotes. No answer on the phone, and I got an email back 10 days after getting my intake from Speed Demon, and 3 days after getting my catback that was backordered from TByrne. I would venture a guess that this could play into why exit 28 went out fo buisness. Also, FWIW, Andy and Melissa from A&A Corvette are a "mom and pop" parts/tuner.. If you have ever tried scheduling to get your car in to A&A, you will know that between some innovation and outstanding customer service, it is VERY POSSIBLE to "make it" with the likes of LG, Lingenfelter, 21MC, and WCC. Granted, he is probably the exception, and not the rule, it is still very possible.

BTW, I have a VaraRam, and am very pleased with it. I haven't personally tested it against the blackwing or any other aftermarket intakes, but I'm pleased with it.



..innovation and outstanding customer service

Few have both, but if you look at Lingenfelter, LG, Callaway and some of the others.......more often than not you will discover that they have BOTH.

And that is a large part of the reason why they thrive. Thats why, as an outsider looking in, and with little factual information regarding the complete circumstances, I am having a hard time blaming the folks at Vararam for anyone's business failure.

Andy evidently did a lot of homework before getting his business enterprise off the ground. While the competition in retail aftermarket parts must be stiff in Cali, Andy enjoys an excellent reputation as a business man and tuner as well.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 90 droptop
I heard he defaulted.... now please (again) explain why VARARAM is at fault. Come on, set me straight.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 09:49 AM
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let me ask the VARARAM users, if your vette was a DD (like mine)
would you use a VARARAM or the Blackwing? I am convinced the VARARAM does give better performance, but does it do it's main job of being an air filter as well as the blackwing? as of now i am running bone stock and i MUST modify or die.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by vette4540
let me ask the VARARAM users, if your vette was a DD (like mine)
would you use a VARARAM or the Blackwing? I am convinced the VARARAM does give better performance, but does it do it's main job of being an air filter as well as the blackwing? as of now i am running bone stock and i MUST modify or die.
Yes, without concern. The only think you don't want to do is drive through standing water which is something you wouldn't ordinarily do anyway. If you do, you shouldn't have a Vette.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by vette4540
let me ask the VARARAM users, if your vette was a DD (like mine)
would you use a VARARAM or the Blackwing? I am convinced the VARARAM does give better performance, but does it do it's main job of being an air filter as well as the blackwing? as of now i am running bone stock and i MUST modify or die.
Here is my opinion. I really like the concept of the Vararam. The Donaldson is an excellent filter, and I have several used oil analyses over the last few years that show it does a very good job of filtering. I have just changed over to Vararam and am installing a K&N filter. Personally, and I don't have data yet to back this up, I don't think the K&N is of the same quality as the Donaldson from a filtering standpoint. I will do another oil analysis to find out if I have sacrificed any filtering later this year, but in the meantime I am confident enough in the k&N to go with the Vararam. As for standing water, the owner's manual even has a warning on that for the stock system. You likely need to be more careful, but I don't believe heavy rain will cause any problems with the system or even puddles, its that unexpected deep one you have to watch for including stock.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by vette4540
let me ask the VARARAM users, if your vette was a DD (like mine)
would you use a VARARAM or the Blackwing? .....
I wouldn't use the Vararam. But then I wouldn't use a C5 Corvette for a daily driver either.

Since my car is for recreational use only, I can pick and choose if I drive through heavy rain. If it even looks like rain it usually does not go out. So hydrolock is practically a non issue in my case.

If it were a daily driver, I might not have a choice between driving it in heavy rains or not. Especially if I lived in parts of Florida which were prone to sudden heavy downpours, hurricanes and gale force winds.

If I lived in a very dusty area, I doubt I would use the Vararam on a daily driver either.
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 05:18 AM
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Here is a curious question. I am hoping to finally start the car tonight and contacted my tuner to see if the tune would be OK. He told me the go will go rich with the Vararam. Since my car was rich to start with, the installation of the Vararam is likely going to require another tune in the near future. Has anyone gotten a tune to take advantage of this change?
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 08:01 AM
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Korreck, EHS. Your silence speaks louder then any words you have ever spoken on this subject.

Congrats for just proving what knownothing, blowhards you truely are.

Pathetic.....
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 03:06 PM
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Absolutely, I love it. Besides, it beats doing it by hand, and it's a lot quicker.

Rich guys dont get their hands dirty, or wet. What on earth were you thinking.
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
Here is a curious question. I am hoping to finally start the car tonight and contacted my tuner to see if the tune would be OK. He told me the go will go rich with the Vararam. Since my car was rich to start with, the installation of the Vararam is likely going to require another tune in the near future. Has anyone gotten a tune to take advantage of this change?
That tuner is mistaken.. You won't go rich w/ the Vararam..

One of the key reasons folks get "higher than expected gains" w/ cold air / free-flowing intakes is due to the fact the stock GM tune is on the rich side, and more air hitting the cylinders brings the mixture closer to max power settings.

If a car was tuned "properly", i.e. a bit leaner from the factory, we probably wouldn't see as much from just swapping the intake, or maybe even go backwards w/ surging, etc. (BTW, that's how good tuners get "free HP" on a stock motor; they generally lean the AFR, and like magic, get another 10 HP)

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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan_the_C5_Man
That tuner is mistaken.. You won't go rich w/ the Vararam..
This tuner is very well known and highly regarded. His explanation was that the computer will add more fuel due to the MAF readings indication of more air. Someone on Z06vette.com had his car dynoed and found his AFR was under 11:1 as a result of the Vararam installation. Several have stated that they needed to alter the tune to lean the car after a Vararam installation.
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