Does anyone have experience with Goodyear F1 GS D3 tires? My tire guy is a Goodyear dealer and he says they are excellent. I want Michelin Pilot Sport PS2's but he can't get them at a competitive price. Does anyone have a source, besides Tirerack, for Michelin's??

 

just put the goodyears on my 98 cobra and they are nice. why would you want to give the frickin french any of your hard earned money. just remember the last f1 race at indy. need i say more.

 

No experience with Goodyear F1 GS D3 tires, but lots with the F1SCs for the Z06. And tons with Goodyear and Michelin over the years.

I would choose Goodyear over Michelin any time.

Tire Rack has a good review section for both brands.

 

No direct experience, but a good friend of mine put them on within the past 6 months and he raves about them. Cost, wet and dry performance, all seem to be a good compromise.

Putting the French-bashing aside (and few people dislike them more than me), the Michelins are a good tire, but pricey. My car came with a set of Michelins when I bought it with 90K miles. Not a high performance tire (by C5 standards), and noisy, I'm still running them with the odo past 136K. Next set for me will be BFG KDWs. We'll see.

HTH, and have a Merry Christmas!
Mike

 

Sorry in advanced... but KABOOOOOOOOOM. :

Have to add my $0.02. acutally it will be more like $2. Not sure what your tire size is, feel free to PM me for any more info.

For stock size replacement, I don't think you can find a better tire than the Pilot Sport A/S ZP. Not only does it work great in the summer, it is useful when the temp is below 45 deg. Also, check out the road hazard warranty that comes with Michelin's ZP tires...

Michelins are made in America! The Pilot Sport A/S's are made at C3M? in Greenville SC. Most Michelin's that you will purchase in the US are either from Greenville, SC or Nova Scotia. Michelin North America employs about 23,000 people in North America.

The BFG's are great as well. The KD's are very sticky, but will be a summer tire. The KDW will give you a little less overall bite, but you'll like them over the KD when it is raining hard.

F1 at Indy.... Hmmm
1) Michelin didn't have an opportunity to test at Indy, Bridgestone, being part of Firestone understood what happened to the track when it was levigated, and Firestone fried a bunch of tires during the first Indy test.
2) Was a solution offered, yes. Was it allowed, no.
3) How many times did Ferrari park its cars at the beginning of the year due to tire wear issues... I'm thinking 2 or 3. Not an issue though because Bridgestone only has 1 competitive team.
4) Was I at Indy, yes, was I pissed, yes, did I get a refund, yes, did I get 2 free tickets for next year, yes. Do I believe F1 did a good job with the event? NO. I maybe mistaken, but I think Michelin did everthing in their power to put a race on, then did every thing they could to make up for the poor race.

A mistake is bad, but it is magnified when you supply every competitive team except Ferrari. That race was very close to being a 2 car race instead of a 6 car race. Paul Stoddard was prepared to park his cars but couldn't knowing that Jordan would have their cars running. Both Jordan and Minardi also needed the manufactures points as well so they qualify for the F1 Travel Money.

Sorry about that.

Regards
Anthony

 

I have had 2 sets of Mich. pilot sport a/s on my car and love them the ride is great the handleing is great and no road noise and they do everything i will ever want them to do and you can get them at wal-mart and they will price match tirerack and if you have them shipped to your local store it dosent cost anything for shipping.

 

Both tires are solid choices, however based on the research I did before buying standard Mich pilot sports, I found that of all the top tire brands Mich by far had the largest selection of sizes, which is one reason I chose them.
My point is, if you think that you may upgrade to lgr dia or wider rims/tires in the future you will have a much greater chance of finding just about any size you want while still matching the tire/tread currently on the car.

Just my .02


Rick

 

I have had both and I choose Michelins, mostly becuase my experience is the GY has a lot more road noise.

Performance-wise both are very good!!!

MTCW Bob

 

F1 at Indy.... Hmmm
1) Michelin didn't have an opportunity to test at Indy, Bridgestone, being part of Firestone understood what happened to the track when it was levigated, and Firestone fried a bunch of tires during the first Indy test.
excuses, excuses.
they may employ a few americans but the money still goes to effing france. i'll take the supercars thank you

 

My personal experience: GS-D3's are excellent! Outstanding tire for the money. I just wish they offered something wider in the 18" series. I'm now using Goodrich KDWs in a 295/18. Also very pleased.

 

PS2s hands down, they grip hard in warm weather!

 

I absoutly love my ps2's. The dealership I work at selling Mercedes, BMW, Porsche ect. and we have had nothing but problems with goodyear tires. Its hard to find a round one. About 1 out of 5 are out of round and once youve mounted them they are yours. With the Goodyears (not gsd3's spicificly) we've also had problems with belts slipping causing a tire pull. Also what people also don't talk about is all the problems they had with the gsd2's. Those were garbage. I would look at bfg kd's or kdw's (bfg owened by michelin) michelin ps2's or one that most people don't talk about is the continental contisportcontact2. All great tires and all french. I'm sorry but the french make great tires.

 

...then check out a recent edition of Car & Driver. Although they "only" used a 325 BMW as a test mule, you are very likely to experience similar results with your C5. To minimize variables such as driving techniques, track surface temps, etc, C&D enlisted the help of the Tire Rack and their test mule vehicle. Although the track used was small, it's lined with sprinklers that can soak the asphalt. "It took three days to perform all the tests. We accerated to 50 mph and then braked to a standstill. There was a benefit to that lower speed: It ensured that we were measuring the braking performance of the tires and not just brake fade."

"In addition to factoring the wet and dry scores, we gave points based on a tires's price and tread-wear grade, which is a rough estimate of how long a tire will have usable tread." "Our test focused on measuring performance, so we decided that results in the dry-lateral grip, for example - would carry the most weight."

So, without further adeau, here're the results:

(Best to worst):

NUMBER 1: Goodyear GSD3: "As an all-around performance tire, you can't beat this Goodyear. It was the best performer in all three wet-track tests and was very competent in the dry. It generated .94g on the dry skidpad, only .01g off the first place (dry) BFGoodrich and tied with the Yokohama and Hankook.
The Goodyear gripped so well, that you might not have been certain that the road was wet. It held onto the wet track with .82g of stick, an impressive figure considering the worst tire in that test made only .67g.
...And like the Continental, the Goodyear had a high 280 trad-wear grade. At $145, ieach, it's $34 cheaper than the most expensive (guess which tires have THAT distinction!).

2nd place: Continental ContiSportContact 2: "It simply didn't feel as sporty as the others.....on dry surfaces, the Conti never rose above third from last among 11 tires. It felt soft and imprecise. But in the wet, the spread from best to worse was 15 percent, which made for a larger point spread (giving the Contis a boost). Plus the Continental had a 280tread-wear grade that was the highest (tied) for this test.

3rd place: Yokohama Advan Neova AD07: Excellent dry performance, but a bit on the slippery end in the wet stuff - expensive at $175 apiece.

4th place: Michelin Pilot Sport PS2: "At $179, the PS2 is the most expensive tire in the test." Competent, but expensive sums up this tire.

5th place: Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212: At $99 each, these are the least expensive tires - very good on dry pavement, but "greasy and slow to recover" on the wet stuff.

6th place: Dunlop SP Sport Max: "In the dry, the tire seemed to lose its confidence..."

7th place: Pirelli P Zero Rosso Asimmetrico:"In the dry-lateral-grip test, the Pirelli tied for second to last, and it finished seventh in the dry-braking test.

8th place: Toyo Proxes T1R: "...the Proxes never placed higher than eighth in any test"...nuff said!

9th place: Bridgestone Potenza RE050A: "it felt dull and disconnected and was somewhat soft and imprecise when driven hard."

10th place: BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD: Outstanding performance on dry surfaces, but very scary on wet surfaces - don't get caught in a rainstorm wearing these shoes...

11th place: Kumho Ecsta MX: "They didn't offer much grip and the time of 30.28 seconds in the dry autocross was .62 second slower than the fastest tire. That may not seem like much, but our course was only 0.3 mille long, and on a longer track, that gap would be commensurately greater." "And although the MX - at $136 per - was the third-least-expensive tire in our test, the high score in the price category wasn't enough to regain ground lost in the performance tests."

On a congratulatory note, the first place tire is made right here in the USA by an American tire company.

Why pay more for tires that don't perform as well as the Goodyears? I highly recommend the D3s!

 

have them

 

I have two friends who bought them last spring, they rave about them. I just bought Z06 chrome wheels and will likely put them on as well. If you compare the two tires on the Tirerack web site, they are very close but the survey results do favor the D3. I also have a certain "affinity" to having my tires on the American Icon say "Goodyear" on the side.

 

There must be a reason why the C5R's switched to and C6R's, of the American LeMans Series, run Michelin rubber. The drivers of the race cars lobbied long and hard to get the Goodyear's replaced. Once the switch was done, there was no stopping them. They said over and over that the Michelin's were far superior.

 

Frankly, you can't compare street tires to race rubber.
Race rubber is formulated in far too many compounds and different carcass constructions.

 

I would certainly hope that the technology used in the racing compounds eventually find there way into the street tire the same way the C5R and now C6R technology now occupy the soul of the new C6 Z06

 

I'm not saying that I like the cheese eating surrender monkeys... I'm just state some facts.


Hey... what can you do... If your best modeling from the year before isn't even close, then clearly you needed a test.

Also, think about how any company is run. They don't make a huge effort to make profits and sit on them... They reinvest them. ie, $85 million in expension for the Lexington, SC Off The Road tire plant.

Regards,