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Dude, no offense..but I could care less what you do with your vette...I just know what works for me.....good luck...
I'm not asking you to care. I'm asking you to back up the misinformation you're spreading, and you are instead backing out. Just admit you have no reason to say the OBX don't fit. Why be that way man? Just admit you just are leery due to how other low cost headers have been. That would be the respectable thing to do. No reason to be a disservice to the whole board by spreading lies and misinformation.
I'm not asking you to care. I'm asking you to back up the misinformation you're spreading, and you are instead backing out. Just admit you have no reason to say the OBX don't fit. Why be that way man? Just admit you just are leery due to how other low cost headers have been. That would be the respectable thing to do. No reason to be a disservice to the whole board by spreading lies and misinformation.
I'm not asking you to care. I'm asking you to back up the misinformation you're spreading, and you are instead backing out. Just admit you have no reason to say the OBX don't fit. Why be that way man? Just admit you just are leery due to how other low cost headers have been. That would be the respectable thing to do. No reason to be a disservice to the whole board by spreading lies and misinformation.
Ya know....I never said that OBX headers were crap.....I specifically said "off shore" made headers. I think it is quite obvious that I am "leery" of using low cost headers....I think I've clearly stated my position. I've also clearly stated that some have had luck with the cheapies, while some have not.
I have NEVER lied to anyone on this forum concerning anything. So if my suggestion to go with a header with a proven reputation, that will give the installer the least(or no) difficulties, is considered a disservice...then I'm guilty as charged.
Finally, I have no specific experience with OBX headers. When they build the type of reputation like the others I have mentioned, I will gladly consider them. Until then, I'll pay more for what I know works...period.
And why do you suppose that is? How do you think a company makes a name for themselves, and can command a higher price?
Quality, construction, engineering, etc.
I don't like spending three times a much as an F-body guy for parts, but I refuse to have to bend, heat, or make something fit on my vette. I remember having to "make things work" when I was in young because I was limited on funds, and could not afford the stuff that was made to fit. Those days are over. There are plenty of selections for headers that are of excellent quality, and will fit the first time...no modifications necessary. Are they more expensive than the headers Jackie Chan is making....for sure....but you roll the dice.
So for those that want to roll the dice with their money, time, and sanity gambling on whether a cheap set of headers will work.....I say more power to you......it's just not for me.
Ummmm, thats an awefully long and misdirected rant to essentially agree with me. Like I said, to massage the X pipe a bit or have to tweak a collector is expected when you buy these OBX systems, this isn't being debated.
You are a person who is willing to drop more money on something that doesn't necessarily perform any better, simply because "those days are gone" good for you. The sum of your post as I read it... "Look at me I can drop money"....
OK, I can too, but I like to keep as much of my money as I can, and I like to fiddle and work on stuff. I don't even own these headers but I can still keep an open mind. I think these are a great option for folks willing to spend a little extra time.
You can read volumes on this stuff within the forum...I'm not going to do the search for you....
I have yet to read, or see on my friends C5's, where LG, Dyna's, ARH's, or Kooks end up hitting the bell housing or need to be heated/beaten into submission to make them fit.
For someone who extols the virtues of searching the forum, I suggest you do the same. Kooks is some of the worst fitting header systems out. I did a quick search on header fitment and the first thread is Kooks headers hitting the bell housing and mid pipe being the wrong size.
Ive read about fitment issues with all brand of headers here.
If you are going to jump ugly with people, make sure your position is righteous.
then you have not searched very much. Obx are the same stuff as ssa they both are made at the same offshore location, imported and then branded by whatever company. That is called import business sales.
the obx package simply added an xpipe and resonators
So you're badmouthing SSA headers.
What bad things have you seen since they became OBX? NOTHING.
If you are going to jump ugly with people, make sure your position is righteous.
Jump ugly? Your kidding right? People have a discussion in an open forum, and express their opinions...and that's negative? No name calling, no attacks...just a discussion...
I'm done discussing this....the estrogen level is elevated in this thread.
Jump ugly? Your kidding right? People have a discussion in an open forum, and express their opinions...and that's negative? No name calling, no attacks...just a discussion...
I'm done discussing this....the estrogen level is elevated in this thread.
Atta' boy. If you cant debate facts or defend your position without resorting to name calling, simply throw a new insult and storm off.
So.. I've been reading this thread and it got me to wondering why all the passion for these bargain headers. What you are all saying is they are every bit as good in build quality, fitment and performance as my 1400.00 Dynatech kit then? Someone should do a timed install/dyno test on the big three or four against them. Thant would be interesting...
I will take the $800 savings for the trip to the auto parts store for bolts anyday anytime!!! Im not debating that dynatech or lgs or any other of the bigname headers have better r&d and custumer support Thats great.. As i have seen you get none of that with obx i mached my headers up today and there are no fitment issues i can see other than having to clearance for the o2s In my case im going to weld in new bungs in a better location.. Welds look great on my headers and they are stainless im sure they will last as long as i have the car and suit my purpose... My hats off to obx for making a quality header at a reasonable price if you dont like them dont buy them ..
Dont get them, you will pay less than me. i want you to pay as high as i did. if not i will be depressed again like last time and curl up in a fetal positon in my dark basement.
Well i actually have them they look great installed fine and i saved 800 !! Im happy, I bought my new cam ,springs ,oil pump, gaskets, u/d pulley with the money i saved !!!!
There's the mature answer i'd expect from a guy with no experience. I've searched and see nobody with experience having any significant issues. You have that you can't back up your mouth that you run so well. You probably haven't installed them even once in your lifetime. You probably pay to have it done.
Sometimes people just WANT to spend more money on the same stuff. It makes them feel like they are getting more. While much of the time this is not true, these people will not understand they are being taken advantage of. See, if I was going to make, say, headers for a corvette, I know that corvette owners generally have bigger wallets than honda civic owners. I would purposely sell my headers for an outrageous price because I KNOW that these people will think there is something special about them and buy them anyway, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. Certain people would feel inferior by paying less. I bet if OBX headers made more power than any other brand, people would still buy the other more expensive stuff.
Me, I like to figure out my horsepower gain per dollar. I'll take the OBX, thanks.