C5 Tech Corvette Tech/Performance: LS1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

1998-2000 ABS/EBCM Failure; Possible Sollution!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 11:43 AM
  #61  
Cmike's Avatar
Cmike
Instructor
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
From: Clinton Indiana
Default

with FLRealty
r

Last edited by Cmike; Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM. Reason: added
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 12:28 PM
  #62  
fevest's Avatar
fevest
Instructor
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 196
Likes: 3
Default

Originally Posted by dougbfresh
How is this any kind of issue anymore? All it does when it fails is make it a REGULAR CAR without ABS-like the everyday car I drive to work. You guys are attacking windmills.
Well, abs is a safety device. Hence filling the complaint with the nhtsa. The thing is, the little bit of time it takes to file the complaint. Why not? If a lot of people with the affected cars files, it will get their attention.
Will they do something? Who knows. They damn sure aren't going to do anything if few or nobody complains.
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 03:39 PM
  #63  
10.5Vette's Avatar
10.5Vette
Burning Brakes
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,034
Likes: 4
From: Dorr MI
Default

Originally Posted by fevest
Well, abs is a safety device. Hence filling the complaint with the nhtsa. The thing is, the little bit of time it takes to file the complaint. Why not? If a lot of people with the affected cars files, it will get their attention.
Will they do something? Who knows. They damn sure aren't going to do anything if few or nobody complains.

I agree, I just filed my claim. I recommend everybody else does too, it only takes a couple of minutes. They are supposed to get back to me by tomorrow and I will post what they say.
As fevest says, "They damn sure aren't going to do anything if few or nobody complains"
Maybe we should start a fresh thread about filing a complaint with NHTSA?
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 03:50 PM
  #64  
cdkcorvette7's Avatar
cdkcorvette7
Tech Contributor
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,902
Likes: 21
From: Oak Hill Virginia
Default

Originally Posted by dougbfresh
How is this any kind of issue anymore? All it does when it fails is make it a REGULAR CAR without ABS-like the everyday car I drive to work. You guys are attacking windmills.


Why do you care if they try?
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 04:10 PM
  #65  
dougbfresh's Avatar
dougbfresh
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,993
Likes: 25
Default

Originally Posted by cdkcorvette7


Why do you care if they try?
I don't give 2 hoots what they do-people have been MOANING about this for 10 years now-again GM WILL NOT DO ANYTHING unless the government tells them to and that is NOT going to happen.
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 08:01 PM
  #66  
Nowayman's Avatar
Nowayman
Intermediate
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 30
Likes: 3
From: San Diego CA
Default I filed a complaint today with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NH

Originally Posted by Nowayman
I filed a complaint today with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). I suggest we all do!!! Instructions below.

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:03 PM
Subject: FW: Can you tell me what department at FHWA or what branch of the Federal Government handles automobile safety?

Thank you for contacting the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) concerning filing a complaint on your vehicle. You can file your complaint and obtain a complete listing of recalls, investigations and complaints for your inquiry on the NHTSA website www.safercar.gov. When you enter the site please navigate as follows:

www.safercar.gov

• Select - Vehicle Owners

• Select a category – File a Complaint,

• Chose and complete the online or portable form and NHTSA will receive an electronic version of your report.

You can also search safety recalls, defect investigations or search complaints in our database.

When you chose Safety Recalls on the next page select “Search For a Recall.”
Otherwise follow the instructions on the screen.

• Search Selected Type – vehicle, equipment, tires, child seat

• Select Model Year

• Select Make

• Select Model

• Select Component

• Retrieve Recalls, Investigations or Complaints information

• Document Search (provides all public documents pertinent to the recall, investigation or complaint)

I hope you find this information useful and thank you again for contacting NHTSA.

Randy Reid, Chief
Correspondence Research Division
I already posted about filing a complaint with NHTSA. Its earlier in this thread. Yes, it can be done online. I filed on August 31, 2011.
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 08:07 PM
  #67  
Nowayman's Avatar
Nowayman
Intermediate
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 30
Likes: 3
From: San Diego CA
Default Nhtsa

Originally Posted by 59VetteFI
It looks like they only take complaints over the phone or through snail mail.
Not true. I posted in this thread the procedure to file a complaint with NHTSA on August 31, 2011.
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 08:22 PM
  #68  
Nowayman's Avatar
Nowayman
Intermediate
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 30
Likes: 3
From: San Diego CA
Default I have no illusions that NHTSA will take any action

Originally Posted by dougbfresh
How is this any kind of issue anymore? All it does when it fails is make it a REGULAR CAR without ABS-like the everyday car I drive to work. You guys are attacking windmills.
While I might agree that filing complaints against Government Motors (aka GM) using the federal government regulatory agency (AKA NHTSA) seems fruitless, I disagree that a Corvette with a failed EBCM is like a regular car without ABS. First of all, regular cars do have ABS. Federal regulations require ABS on all cars since 1999. A car without ABS is not regular in my mind. Further, a lightweight, powerful, rear drive vehicle is probably a more significant hazard than your "regular car" you drive to work. That is why the vehicles were equipped with electronic stability control in the first place. Not having those systems functioning is putting the travelling public at risk.

I have a factory ABS-equipped 1995 V6 (read: underpowered) Camaro that I drive to work a lot. The ABS is failed/disabled and I don't care. That car performs better without the ABS. The Camaro brakes and suspension are highly modified so I feel confident in panic situations. My Corvette, on the other hand, is a different story. I think twice about driving my kids in it since the EBCM failed.

I have no illusions that NHTSA will take any action between now and the time when I shell out $800 for a rebuild, but I like the idea of making it the federal goverment's problem (if only slightly). I felt better after filing my complaint.

Oh, and I bitched out Chevrolet customer service too. They said that they have NO reports of problems with our cars. I invited them to visit Corvette Forum. They called me back and said they researched my complain and found no evidence that it is a problem!!!!
Subpart C - Brakes

§ 393.55Antilock brake systems.
(a) Hydraulic brake systems. Each truck and bus manufactured on or after March 1, 1999 (except trucks and buses engaged in driveaway-towaway operations), and equipped with a hydraulic brake system, shall be equipped with an antilock brake system that meets the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 105 (49 CFR 571.105, S5.5).
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

5 Best & 5 Most Overrated Corvette Track Packages of All Time!

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Every 2027 Corvette Engine Explained

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

Designer Imagines A Corvette That Looks More Like a Corvette Than the Corvette

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 08:26 PM
  #69  
Nowayman's Avatar
Nowayman
Intermediate
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 30
Likes: 3
From: San Diego CA
Default They damn sure aren't going to do anything if few or nobody complains.

Originally Posted by fevest
Well, abs is a safety device. Hence filling the complaint with the nhtsa. The thing is, the little bit of time it takes to file the complaint. Why not? If a lot of people with the affected cars files, it will get their attention.
Will they do something? Who knows. They damn sure aren't going to do anything if few or nobody complains.
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 08:32 PM
  #70  
Nowayman's Avatar
Nowayman
Intermediate
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 30
Likes: 3
From: San Diego CA
Default GM WILL NOT DO ANYTHING unless the government tells them to and that is NOT going to

Originally Posted by dougbfresh
GM WILL NOT DO ANYTHING unless the government tells them to and that is NOT going to happen.
but we have to try anyway!!! The flippin federal government is supposed to prevent this kinda nonsense from happening. I'm making it Obama's problem.

Otherwise, we should all live in Canada where the government actually tries to look out for you.
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 04:50 AM
  #71  
dougbfresh's Avatar
dougbfresh
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,993
Likes: 25
Default

Originally Posted by Nowayman
I have a factory ABS-equipped 1995 V6 (read: underpowered) Camaro that I drive to work a lot. The ABS is failed/disabled and I don't care. That car performs better without the ABS. The Camaro brakes and suspension are highly modified so I feel confident in panic situations. My Corvette, on the other hand, is a different story. I think twice about driving my kids in it since the EBCM failed.

I have no illusions that NHTSA will take any action between now and the time when I shell out $800 for a rebuild, but I like the idea of making it the federal goverment's problem (if only slightly). I felt better after filing my complaint.

Oh, and I bitched out Chevrolet customer service too. They said that they have NO reports of problems with our cars. I invited them to visit Corvette Forum. They called me back and said they researched my complain and found no evidence that it is a problem!!!!
Subpart C - Brakes

§ 393.55Antilock brake systems.
(a) Hydraulic brake systems. Each truck and bus manufactured on or after March 1, 1999 (except trucks and buses engaged in driveaway-towaway operations), and equipped with a hydraulic brake system, shall be equipped with an antilock brake system that meets the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 105 (49 CFR 571.105, S5.5).
I have a 2008 Grand Prix without ABS from the factory. AGAIN-you guys waste your time any way you like but without LAWYERS and LAWSUITS and lots of $$$$$ you will NEVER get GM to do squat about this.
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 06:53 AM
  #72  
fendermender's Avatar
fendermender
Drifting
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,454
Likes: 6
From: Pittsburgh PA
Default

No ABS/TC on my 05 Dakota and I had an 04 and 07 Grand Prix without....it was an option on the Pontiacs. They are all quite capable of spinning the tires as is my highly modified TR8. But I have done several track days and was sliding a go-cart around at 12yo. So I like to think I can drive OK without a computer helping me.

Just for the sake of discussion, lets say all the complaining works. So GM tools up and makes some new ebcm units. Price is $2500.00. How many here are going to buy them? Not me that's for sure. Even if the Gov were to force them to supply repair parts (unlikely) they sure can't force them to fix an 11yo car for free.
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 07:29 AM
  #73  
Cmike's Avatar
Cmike
Instructor
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
From: Clinton Indiana
Default

I have a 2001 Ford Supercrew pickup and just got a recall to change the gas tank straps because the possibility of weakening from salt. The truck is also 11 years old and they are fixing it for free. I also have a 2004 Lexus RX330 that they just recalled for faulty seals in master cylinder allowing it to very slowly loose fluid. Also fixed for free ,so why would a 11 year Corvette be any different? Ever hear the squeaky gear gets the oil?

Last edited by Cmike; Sep 27, 2011 at 07:32 AM. Reason: added
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 08:11 AM
  #74  
fevest's Avatar
fevest
Instructor
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 196
Likes: 3
Default

Originally Posted by fendermender
No ABS/TC on my 05 Dakota and I had an 04 and 07 Grand Prix without....it was an option on the Pontiacs. They are all quite capable of spinning the tires as is my highly modified TR8. But I have done several track days and was sliding a go-cart around at 12yo. So I like to think I can drive OK without a computer helping me.

Just for the sake of discussion, lets say all the complaining works. So GM tools up and makes some new ebcm units. Price is $2500.00. How many here are going to buy them? Not me that's for sure. Even if the Gov were to force them to supply repair parts (unlikely) they sure can't force them to fix an 11yo car for free.
If nhtsa makes them make more. They won't be selling them. It will be a recall for ones that have failed.
Oh, they forced mitsubishi to fix transfer cases on vr4 3000gt's that were just as old. You got one free one if yours crapped out.
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 09:33 AM
  #75  
dougbfresh's Avatar
dougbfresh
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,993
Likes: 25
Default

Originally Posted by Cmike
I have a 2001 Ford Supercrew pickup and just got a recall to change the gas tank straps because the possibility of weakening from salt. The truck is also 11 years old and they are fixing it for free. I also have a 2004 Lexus RX330 that they just recalled for faulty seals in master cylinder allowing it to very slowly loose fluid. Also fixed for free ,so why would a 11 year Corvette be any different? Ever hear the squeaky gear gets the oil?
Gas tank falling out on the road is a LOT different than ABS not working. Brakes completely FAILING because the master is leaking is also a different animal.

Find some people that have been killed by the EBCM dying and you MIGHT get the feds to listen. The GM backruptcy sheilds them from most of these defect claims to even if you could prove it was a "SAFETY" issue-doubt you would get anything no matter.
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 11:10 AM
  #76  
darguy's Avatar
darguy
Drifting
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,421
Likes: 6
From: Cortes Island, BC
Default Limited Options?

Originally Posted by RonSSNova
I bet the serious circuitry is on the other side of the board. What's in the photo is all common stuff. Old tech too.

Ron
Pulled the screws out and had a closer look - the board is sealed into the case along with all the underlying electronics. So, other than trying to pry the semi-sealed lids of the relays and cleaning up the contacts, I'm left with fairly limited options.

From what I've read on these posts, I don't have many choices. I've talked to Gene at GMPartshouse and he can't get these anymore, the 'Speedometer Repair Guy' doesn't do them, and most of the others had a bunch of horror-stories to go with them.

I did find that the guy at autoecu.com said that they can rebuild the "V" type '99 controllers, but that not all controllers can be rebuilt. They test them beforehand to determine rebuilding viability. Around $500 + shipping. Has anyone used these guys?

Reply
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 11:24 AM
  #77  
rebelheart's Avatar
rebelheart
Safety Car
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 4,237
Likes: 11
From: Lacombe Louisiana
Default

Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
Why should GM pay good money to redesign a 12 year old car? No other company would do that so don't think you can jump to some other one. By the way nobody else makes anything to compete with the car you have so good luck finding that company.

Bill
Also, since this is really a piggy back system to your brakes,it isnt really a safety concern.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To 1998-2000 ABS/EBCM Failure; Possible Sollution!

Old Sep 27, 2011 | 11:32 AM
  #78  
10.5Vette's Avatar
10.5Vette
Burning Brakes
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,034
Likes: 4
From: Dorr MI
Default

Not mine, but saw this on e-Bay. Supposedly it's a V code, but the sticker is off of it. It is going for about what I paid for my spare one I bought a month ago shipped. Thought I would put it out there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 11:32 AM
  #79  
dougbfresh's Avatar
dougbfresh
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,993
Likes: 25
Default

Originally Posted by rebelheart
Also, since this is really a piggy back system to your brakes,it isnt really a safety concern.
YES-someone else gets this FACT too. GM has no reason to fool with this anymore unless forced to.
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 11:49 AM
  #80  
rebelheart's Avatar
rebelheart
Safety Car
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 4,237
Likes: 11
From: Lacombe Louisiana
Default

Originally Posted by dougbfresh
Gas tank falling out on the road is a LOT different than ABS not working. Brakes completely FAILING because the master is leaking is also a different animal.

Find some people that have been killed by the EBCM dying and you MIGHT get the feds to listen. The GM backruptcy sheilds them from most of these defect claims to even if you could prove it was a "SAFETY" issue-doubt you would get anything no matter.
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:19 PM.

story-0
5 Best & 5 Most Overrated Corvette Track Packages of All Time!

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 most overrated Corvette track packages ever.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 12:46:45


VIEW MORE
story-1
Every 2027 Corvette Engine Explained

Slideshow: Every 2027 Corvette engine explained

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 12:16:31


VIEW MORE
story-2
Designer Imagines A Corvette That Looks More Like a Corvette Than the Corvette

Slideshow: A Jaguar designer's personal project imagines what a modern front-engined Corvette might look like if Chevrolet revisited the golden age of the Stingray.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-08 19:53:43


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-6
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-8
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE