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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 04:18 PM
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Tell ya what, we can solve this easily, if you want the continue the who's is bigger contest, want to post W2's?

I wasn't belittling LEO's, just you and your pompous swagger that most of the bad cops walk around with. Then again, I guess that is why they say most of the cops were the unpopular bullied kids in school struggling for the appearance of authority. Please stop ruining someone elses thread with your drivel. Resume frisking kids at the mall.
Thanks again. You are the type of person that loves to dig his own hole even deeper.

I was one of the first that responded to this thread. You came in and hijacked it with your Porsche dribble.

Again seek out the help you so desperately need.

Here since you have so much time on your hands that you bash a car you do not own and spend time on a forum bashing it I thought I would help you.

http://www.healthgrades.com/local-do...-psychiatrists

http://www.philadelphiapsychiatricsociety.org/

Now take a few minutes out of your very busy day and check out the links I have provided for you. Good luck.

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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 04:34 PM
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 04:36 PM
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Thanks again. You are the type of person that loves to dig his own hole even deeper.

I was one of the first that responded to this thread. You came in and hijacked it with your Porsche dribble.

Again seek out the help you so desperately need.

Here since you have so much time on your hands that you bash a car you do not own and spend time on a forum bashing it I thought I would help you.

http://www.healthgrades.com/local-do...-psychiatrists

http://www.philadelphiapsychiatricsociety.org/

Now take a few minutes out of your very busy day and check out the links I have provided for you. Good luck.
And while you spent those few minutes I took a look at your post history.....

Take a look at the common themes....

1) Spelling and grammar mistakes commonly thrown about with misused words.
2) Bashed every single person for supporting any car other than a GM product
3) Bashed every single individual car brought up as a comparison
4) Made the same subjective claims of "bland appearance/poor quality" then proceeded to call people names.
5) Repeatedly derailing threads with name calling
6) Consistent demonstrations of pompous strutting and ego stroking about your "09 Corvette" and "Former LEO", as if people care or afford you special attention.

So, I propose a solution, make a signature that basically says the following...

1) The only good cars are American cars, they have the best quality, styling, interiors and price.
2) Buying anything other than American cars means you are a socialist who hates America.
3) All foreign cars have bland styling, period.
4) All foreign cars are overpriced, no matter what the price.
5) LEO's in general are better than you, no matter what you do, and despite the fact that your municipality granted authority has long waned, you are still an Inter-Cop.

Edit: You're still a hack tool. Please enjoy airport and mall security, you must have the night shift tonight.
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bave
And while you spent those few minutes I took a look at your post history.....

Take a look at the common themes....

1) Spelling and grammar mistakes commonly thrown about with misused words.
2) Bashed every single person for supporting any car other than a GM product
3) Bashed every single individual car brought up as a comparison
4) Made the same subjective claims of "bland appearance/poor quality" then proceeded to call people names.
5) Repeatedly derailing threads with name calling
6) Consistent demonstrations of pompous strutting and ego stroking about your "09 Corvette" and "Former LEO", as if people care or afford you special attention.

So, I propose a solution, make a signature that basically says the following...

1) The only good cars are American cars, they have the best quality, styling, interiors and price.
2) Buying anything other than American cars means you are a socialist who hates America.
3) All foreign cars have bland styling, period.
4) All foreign cars are overpriced, no matter what the price.
5) LEO's in general are better than you, no matter what you do, and despite the fact that your municipality granted authority has long waned, you are still an Inter-Cop.

Edit: You're still a hack tool. Please enjoy airport and mall security, you must have the night shift tonight.
One of my very favorite things on the forum is when someone corrects another for grammar and makes a mistake themselves.

"American cars means" What is that?

Obviously you have issues. And clearly I can go back and find mistakes you have made in spelling or grammar. But why would I do this? And it really is kind of creepy someone would even do that. I can clearly see I'm a target of yours and that is fine. You have already responded to me on other posts. You are sick. Seriously, I really do not want you chasing me up and down this forum. I can handle my own on this thread. But, at least leave it on this one since you have already destroyed it.

If you do not see this as a clear sign you need help nothing can help you.

Now get help or at least get a job and get the money to at least be able to buy a Corvette or a Porsche. Your not making any money sitting on the computer making an a$$ out of yourself. The only Porsche you will be able to buy is a model of one. That is really kind of sad.

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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Never Say Never
One of my very favorite things on the forum is when someone corrects another for grammar and makes a mistake themselves.

"American cars means" What is that?

Obviously you have issues. And clearly I can go back and find mistakes you have made in spelling or grammar. But why would I do this? And it really is kind of creepy someone would even do that. I can clearly see I'm a target of yours and that is fine. You have already responded to me on other posts. You are sick. Seriously, I really do not want you chasing me up and down this forum. I can handle my own on this thread. But, at least leave it on this one since you have already destroyed it.

If you do not see this as a clear sign you need help nothing can help you.

Now get help or at least get a job and get the money to at least be able to buy a Corvette or a Porsche. Your not making any money sitting on the computer making an a$$ out of yourself. The only Porsche you will be able to buy is a model of one. That is really kind of sad.
The best part is where you call me sad because I corrected your grammar, knowing you would respond just like you did, and also having looked through your post history and noting that you have done exactly that repeatedly to others. Pot meet kettle.

Get a job? Ok, it's actually I work in the private client investment banking side of the world, and I don't need to sit there every second staring at things, believe it or not when your book is well run you don't need to hover on it.

Please... continue though, its been fun and it is a good way to spend some time between conference calls
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bave
The best part is where you call me sad because I corrected your grammar, knowing you would respond just like you did, and also having looked through your post history and noting that you have done exactly that repeatedly to others. Pot meet kettle.

Get a job? Ok, it's actually I work in the private client investment banking side of the world, and I don't need to sit there every second staring at things, believe it or not when your book is well run you don't need to hover on it.

Please... continue though, its been fun and it is a good way to spend some time between conference calls
I did respond and corrected your grammar. Good to see your spell check is now working. I'm glad you now claim to be psychic. Tell your therapists that.

Conference calls? You have that many therapists you need to have a conference with them?

So in fairness to your therapists and this thread I must back down now. Good luck in the banking world. Hope some day you will actually own a Corvette or your dream car the Porsche. I have a feeling your psychiatric bills are pretty high though.

One small favor please? Please stop following my posts like a lost puppy. It really is creepy and I enjoy this forum. I do not need some oddball making comments after my posts.

Seriously you should seek help. Really. You have a lot of issues with anger and truth. I hope you find what you are missing in life.

Thank you and good luck.

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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 06:26 PM
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I don't think the car needed a full leather wrap to make it appealing. I think it needed a revamp of the entire dash and controls. Look at a CTS interior, no super fancy materials or extremely expensive design, but good solid components and materials. Does it add to the cost, sure, but not like a 4LT does either.

Spend another grand or two and you can revamp a dash and put real "sport" seats into the car. Do they need to be Recaro, no, but give them a real sport look to them and put some decent coverings on them instead of cheap vinyl leatherette that is so thin it stretches.
Hey, I've got an idea! When you're done here, hop on over to Biker forum and tell them about all the Porsches you've owned. Then tell them what cheap pieces of crap Harleys are. Oh, and be sure to give your home address so you're new friends can visit.
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 09:01 PM
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Ok folks, why don't you agree to disagree. You guys have totally gone off topic. This thread needs locking!
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 09:52 PM
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No I'm not kidding. Unique? The Porsche? Come on now. It is very common Porsche cars are mistaken for VW's. Very Common. As a former police officer this happens quite a bit over the radio especially with female police officers and accident victims often. Face it they are not good looking cars and most people would agree. As for the Vette. I have never in all my years known anyone to mistake a Corvette for any other car. I think you are, no wait I'm sure you are being disingenuous about the Porsche not being confused for another and the Vette all the time. This is a obvious lie. Also, the more you write the more it appears as if you never owned either car.

And yes, the 4LT is very high quality leather. I have compared to a 08 Mercedes parked next to it every day and it stands up well. Yes, the Mercedes interior is much more plush than the Vette. But, that is the way it is supposed to be. I hope that never changes. If I want a luxury car I will buy one.

The attack people comment was cute and quite stupid. Many people including some on this thread cannot afford one. Wonder whom that may be now? To have a built in jealousy of the car because you cannot afford it or maybe a guy that dated a girlfriend of yours had one is childish. Whatever your reason for your bashing of the Vette it is very transparent that you have a built in bias. So clear you make things up.

Lastly what makes a person whom cannot afford, does not like, or does not even own a Corvette go on a forum about that car is beyond me. Like I stated earlier I do not have the time to go on a Porsche forum and tell them what they probably already know. And that is the car is a bland overpriced piece of junk that looks strikingly similar to the VW line.

By the way you have no credibility at all. So shop all you want. We have heard this shopping story before from the trolls. You really should have tried something else. I wish I had the time you do to waste.
I've been really busy at work the past couple of days, and have not been able to spend my customary 8 hours a day on the forum.

Got to reading this, and I'm curious as to which Porches are mistaken for which VW's. I can see the Cayanne and Toureg being mistaken (both are SUV's built on the same platform).

But are 911's being mistaken for.......hmmm - what would they be mistaken for. Maybe a Boxter being mistaken for.......can't think of a VW that looks anything like that.

I guess next time I get a speeding ticket I'll go to court and take a printout of this thread that proves that cops can't tell a 911 from a Passat
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I've been really busy at work the past couple of days, and have not been able to spend my customary 8 hours a day on the forum.

Got to reading this, and I'm curious as to which Porches are mistaken for which VW's. I can see the Cayanne and Toureg being mistaken (both are SUV's built on the same platform).

But are 911's being mistaken for.......hmmm - what would they be mistaken for. Maybe a Boxter being mistaken for.......can't think of a VW that looks anything like that.

I guess next time I get a speeding ticket I'll go to court and take a printout of this thread that proves that cops can't tell a 911 from a Passat
Had a 914 for a while 25 years ago. Every engine part was stamped with the VW logo
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 10:32 PM
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Back to track #1 on the topic.

Perhaps GM is missing the boat with the option packages. A few high dollar interior mods such as the OP suggested might not be bad. If the parts can be sourced from other models/divisions, it's free money/profit after the safety cert and advertising costs.
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 11:00 PM
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Wow, just amazing. I never once said the cars are in the same price point, they are not. The entire argument has been that GM needed to spend a few more bucks to bring the interior up to par if they want to compete in the high end market, which is what they try to do when they make 70k+ performance cars in the form of the Z06 and ZR1. If they simply would have brought the CTS guys in to design and work on the interior and spend a few more bucks the Corvette would get an enormous more respect as a well rounded sports car instead of being labeled a "track monster" which is great at performance but nothing else really. Again, thats fine, if you want pure performance then go for it, but why not just gut the interior to make it another tenth faster? I would rather have an appealing interior while driving it around, more enjoyable for me I suppse.

As for pricing, you contradicted yourself pretty quickly. Is a base 911 50k or 76k? It is really 79k... but that is besides the point. Caymans should get confused with Boxsters because they are simply the coupe version of the car, why wouldn't that happen. I bet convertible corvettes are still confused with coupes.....

Lastly, why do people get so bent out of shape about criticism of an inanimate object they had nothing to do with the construction of. It is a car, I will critique a corvette and a pcar just as quickly.

And the economy is great from where I sit, little effect really except a greater purchasing power if you have cash.
Pretty boring on the Beetle forums, huh?

Here is what you said before "What I can tell you is that a 4LT vette, which will run about as much as a base 997" That tells me you think the 4LT Vette and a base 997 are about the same price. If cared about performance then why bring up the 4LT?

As far as the part in bold, I never said a 911 is $50k. You are the one confused. Most people here can tell the difference of the C6 Coupe and Vert. At least it is easy to tell which way the car is going when you are looking at a Vette. Heck my 07 Impala SS has a better 0-60 time then the Boxster or Cayman automatics from the same year. Hey, at least Porsche's interior is nicer and Porsche made the Hyundai commercial.

Here is a good statement of yours that just makes Porsche owners even look more stupid.

"Tell ya what, we can solve this easily, if you want the continue the who's is bigger contest, want to post W2's?"

And I also remember my 914 was stamped with VW everywhere.
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I've been really busy at work the past couple of days, and have not been able to spend my customary 8 hours a day on the forum.

Got to reading this, and I'm curious as to which Porches are mistaken for which VW's. I can see the Cayanne and Toureg being mistaken (both are SUV's built on the same platform).

But are 911's being mistaken for.......hmmm - what would they be mistaken for. Maybe a Boxter being mistaken for.......can't think of a VW that looks anything like that.

I guess next time I get a speeding ticket I'll go to court and take a printout of this thread that proves that cops can't tell a 911 from a Passat
Quite a few people have echoed the same sentiment. Please do not attack me as the only one that has said this. Check many threads and posts using the search and you will see for yourself. It is really a matter of opinion and styling. If you look objectively at most Porsche vehicles the front end looks as if it were a VW.

Once again. Do not attack me soley for what others have also said. A few Porsche forum rejects have tried to hijack this thread. I state my opinion on the Corvettes interior and when compared to the Porsche I also state my opinion. I'm truly sorry you do not agree.
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Originally Posted by Never Say Never
Quite a few people have echoed the same sentiment. Please do not attack me as the only one that has said this. Check many threads and posts using the search and you will see for yourself. It is really a matter of opinion and styling. If you look objectively at most Porsche vehicles the front end looks as if it were a VW.

Once again. Do not attack me soley for what others have also said. A few Porsche forum rejects have tried to hijack this thread. I state my opinion on the Corvettes interior and when compared to the Porsche I also state my opinion. I'm truly sorry you do not agree.
Twice in your reply you ask me not to attack you. I didn't.

Anyone who cannot tell a VW from a Porsche should not be a police officer as powers of observation are one of the most important requirements of being a police officer. I feel certain that you can tell the difference, so this is not aimed at you at all.

I realize you feel like you are being beat up on this thread, but not by me. Your last sentence says "I'm truly sorry you do not agree". What did I dissagree with you on?
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 12:19 PM
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Twice in your reply you ask me not to attack you. I didn't.

Anyone who cannot tell a VW from a Porsche should not be a police officer as powers of observation are one of the most important requirements of being a police officer. I feel certain that you can tell the difference, so this is not aimed at you at all.

I realize you feel like you are being beat up on this thread, but not by me. Your last sentence says "I'm truly sorry you do not agree". What did I dissagree with you on?
I can tell you from many years in Law enforcement their are more officers than you may think that should not be on the force. Their are more Barney Fife's than their are Starky's. That being said their is no requirements or schooling at least here in Chicago for officers to identify vehicles. Powers of observation are very important in law enforcement. But, we now live in a politically correct country and Chicago is a very PC city. Many things you may of thought mattered in becoming a police officer no longer do. This includes physical, psychological, and other important requirement that at one time mattered.


Do you really think women know what a Porsche looks like or for that matter really care? So it was not uncommon for a female police officer or a accident victim to misidentify a vehicle and yes a Porsche on occasion. I did not sit behind a desk. But, imagine sitting behind a desk in a police district in a city of 3 million people in which you have people come in and file accident reports. Chicago police do not respond to accidents in which the victim or victims can drive. They must go into one of 25 police districts. Now, many accident victims being female I'm certain you can understand many vehicle makes and models are not known by them.

This was all I was saying. Also, it was always funny to us guys when a female officer and even a male officer was mistaken about the make or model of a car given over the radio. And yes I remember a Porsche being mistaken for a VW until the plate was ran. Now if in your mind this disqualifies a person from being the police I suggest you write to the superintendent of the Chicago Police Department Jody Weis and let him know.

I really was not getting beat up on the thread. But, the one guy bave was getting a little creepy checking my prior posts and responding to them. That was a bit odd and unusual so I may of been defensive after dealing with that obvious creep. I did not think a person would have that much time in a given day to do that. So it was very weird to say the least. Sorry, if I came off defensive after dealing with that nut.

Again, if you check this thread you will see I'm not the only one on CF that thinks the Porsche looks like a VW. And I'm certain if you do a search on CF you will find others that believe this. I hope you would
agree that some people differ on what appears similar and what does not in many different cases. And this includes vehicles. I think if you took an objective look at the front end of some Porsche vehicles you will notice styling cues from VW and the VW beetle. Most of us are car nuts. We know the difference between a Buick and a Nissan. But, many people are not as passionate as we are about cars. Many could care less about a Porsche or even a Vette. Did I just say that? A Vette?

So my mistake.

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Wow, hard to believe this thread is still going. Its been interesting. Few observations on my part.

Some of you are way too sensitive about critiques of our Corvettes. Not everyone is going to like our cars. Now, if they are just trolling, don't feed them, they'll eventually get hungry and move on. But if you do feed them, be prepared to get worked up over nothing as that is what they want you to do.

As for the interior, I personally like the interior; even though I have the horrendous 05-07 console that some of you hate - good thing I'm not the sensitive type. Could it be improved, yes, so could all car interiors. Just a compromise like all. And for GM, compromise means money, its all about cutting corners (and I'm a life long GM customer). The C6 is a step up above previous year Corvette interiors. The 4LT while a nice addition, is way overpriced, as are all options on the Corvette. Would have been nice if they could have covered the huge piece of plastic in the center of the steering wheel in something else, but again, that would have cost GM money, something they obviously don't have anymore.

As for VWs and Porsches, I can honestly say, I have never and don't know of anyone who has ever mistaken a Porsche for a VW. I don't see any resemblence between a Passat and a 911 or boxster. But if some do, okay, but I don't. Now I do know people that have mistaken C5 Corvettes for late '80s Firebirds (due to those idiotic pop up headlights they both had). And when I had my 05 GTO, even I use to mistake Grand Ams for GTOs (that's embarrassing when you start to wave to a "fellow" GTO and it turns out to be a Grand Am)! And I know cars well (which I guess is why I can tell the difference between a VW Rabbit and a Porsche Boxster). But don't ask me what year a Porsche is, as they all look the same for the last 40 years!!
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Originally Posted by BriscoCounty
Wow, hard to believe this thread is still going. Its been interesting. Few observations on my part.

Some of you are way too sensitive about critiques of our Corvettes. Not everyone is going to like our cars. Now, if they are just trolling, don't feed them, they'll eventually get hungry and move on. But if you do feed them, be prepared to get worked up over nothing as that is what they want you to do.

As for the interior, I personally like the interior; even though I have the horrendous 05-07 console that some of you hate - good thing I'm not the sensitive type. Could it be improved, yes, so could all car interiors. Just a compromise like all. And for GM, compromise means money, its all about cutting corners (and I'm a life long GM customer). The C6 is a step up above previous year Corvette interiors. The 4LT while a nice addition, is way overpriced, as are all options on the Corvette. Would have been nice if they could have covered the huge piece of plastic in the center of the steering wheel in something else, but again, that would have cost GM money, something they obviously don't have anymore.

As for VWs and Porsches, I can honestly say, I have never and don't know of anyone who has ever mistaken a Porsche for a VW. I don't see any resemblence between a Passat and a 911 or boxster. But if some do, okay, but I don't. Now I do know people that have mistaken C5 Corvettes for late '80s Firebirds (due to those idiotic pop up headlights they both had). And when I had my 05 GTO, even I use to mistake Grand Ams for GTOs (that's embarrassing when you start to wave to a "fellow" GTO and it turns out to be a Grand Am)! And I know cars well (which I guess is why I can tell the difference between a VW Rabbit and a Porsche Boxster). But don't ask me what year a Porsche is, as they all look the same for the last 40 years!!
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The C6 is a value priced sports car/super car... The equation works in a 45K coupe, sort of works in a 75K Z06, but falls flat due to consumer expectations in a 100K+ ZR1.

The interior is a big step up from the C5, but that is not saying much. I actually liked the layout of the C5 interior better but the materials of the C6 are superior. That being said, the vette is still behind other auto-makers with respect to interior material quality and small details. Sadly even the Malibu has a nicer interior at the moment. The 08 got rid of the god-awful silver plastic center console but in typical GM fashion, the silver is still present on the steering wheel! The vette does not need a 4LT package to make a higher end interior optional, it needs a 200.00-300.00 price hike across the board so that they can use more expensive plastics, vinyls, and leathers to make a more sophisticated interior on all corvettes. Make a CF trim or Aluminium trim package optional. They should take some lessons from BMW. Make a nice standard interior and offer trim upgrades.

The seats are fine for crusing around but they lack lateral support. Go around a corner at 0.8g + and this will become obvious! One option is to offer a sportier seat option for those that want to use the car as it is intended and not just go fast in a straight line...

This car is still the best damn sports car money can buy (within reason) but the interior is still a little behind the times. Perhaps the 2010 model was set to change this but I worry this may not happen due to recent events within GM...
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Old Aug 23, 2009 | 11:00 PM
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My 2 cents...

Background....I am a product designer and I have an 07 V8 Vantage, 09 CTS-V (Recaro Seats), and an 08 Z06... all cars are fully loaded

With that being said... The Aston's have one of the best interiors in the world; clean, simple, and superior material choices. This car however costs $130,000 dollars. Now the Z06 is also a virtually hand assembled car (and I don't mean just the engine) but can run absolute circles around my Vantage. Not only does my Z kick my Vantages *** but has far more standard features, better functioning features, and a way better Nav system. Also, the software engineering in the Vette is superior to that of any exotic which is the benefit of a larger company. I love both cars but for very different reasons.

Now because of my knowledge of manufacturing and materials....if you were to put almost the same interior from the Aston inside of the Z you would have a car that costs more than the Vantage. Now in the reverse... The only Aston that can compete with the Z is the DBS...which costs $270,000. That right there shows you just how amazing every Vette models are. And for those of you that complain that the steering wheel from the Vette is inside the Cobalt... well almost all steering wheels, regardless of make and vehicle price, are manufactured the same way. Other than the steering wheel being wrapped in exotic Italian leather there is no real difference between the Aston and the Z.

Now I totally agree that GM should offer Recaro seats but I understand why they don't. So if it really bothers you that much go buy some damn Recaro seats and put them in your self!

With knowing what I bought my Z06 for and the crazy performance I get from it I think the interior is pretty good. My biggest complaint is not the materials, but the fit and finish. There are two high of tolerances where pieces come together (large gaps). This really drags down the appearance of quality.

For the 08-??? Vettes they changed to the piano black plastic with the leather trim around the edge. This inexpensive trim solution has solved some of the fit and finish issues so I applaud GM for that upgrade. The plastic material change from 07 to 08 actually isn't very different (if at all) but is just a better color choice with a polished finish instead of matte. A similar change can be seen between the CTS and CTS-V interior.

My CTS-V has a much more balanced set up than the Z; awesome interior with awesome performance. The V costs similar money to my Z, but the Nurburgring times are dramatically different. Tradeoffs.

My point is that if people want to complain that the Vette interior is not as nice as the exotics, than you better realize what you are asking for and what it will cost you. GM made the right decisions. If GM were to use all the same materials as an F430 and with all of the current engineering they have in the Z you would get a seriously expensive Vette (FYI with more creature comforts). Corvettes are meant to blow peoples mind with performance but at a tangible price. There is a reason why Ferrari does not sell the 430 for $70,000. There are trade-offs with every car. The CTS-V balances these trade-offs more evenly than the Z06, but the Z is a super car and the V is a sports sedan. People need to realize what they want. If they want everything a F430 has for $70,000 than they live in a fantasy world.

Side note... anyone who complains about the ride of a Z06 needs a reality check...my Aston has a far more rough ride than my Z. And that goes for all of the exotics (with exception of Porsche).

Also I wish magazines would stop comparing the 911 to the C6 and the Z06 to the GT2... yeah performance is similar but a person shopping for a 911 is not in the market for a C6 but rather a Z06... and a person shopping for the GT2 is not in the market for any Vette (although the ZR1 would rape it for half price) but instead probably looking at an F430.

CORVETTES ROCK!

-Out
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