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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 08:10 PM
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Like them or hate them here is couple of good videos of red light runners here.

http://www.youtube.com/user/HCSOvide...10/vh8VC2LMoCY
http://www.youtube.com/user/HCSOvide...11/GVuEQyZKsQg

The sky is not falling on my head, I get along just fine with no tickets. Program is very fair here, they dont issue violations for right on red unless its over 15mph. I agree that right on red at slow speeds is nuts, but everywhere does it different I think thats part of the mass hysteria. Some places are fair, some are too strict.

Now I cant believe that someone with a busted garage floor would even be allowed to vote......
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Originally Posted by LS WON
A corrupt government that imposes taxes, more control, power, graft in the name of safety as deception to let people think they know what is good for the people while they enjoy thier own luxuries of life and greed.
For most people it is easier to be a sheep than a wolf herding the sheep.

Sadly, many other Vette owners don't get the "in the name of safety as deception" part.

Amazing to see a society say "Please governemt, rip me off more"!

Adding new laws legitimizing a ripoff seems to be the current trend. Wipers/lights laws, doubling fines in safety corridors or construction zones, increased penalties for "agressive driving" for whatever "agressive driving" means as opposed to speeding, improper passing, or reckless driving. The list just goes on and on. And many are helped out by the insurance lobby which stands to make easy money in the increased violations.

As the great Jim Gerhart of NJ1015 fame says "he swears there is a supercomputer in the basement of the state house that scans every human activity to determine what has not yet been taxed or regulated".

Bring on the satellite based radar/speed camera detectors!
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Originally Posted by NDAWIND
Like them or hate them here is couple of good videos of red light runners here.

http://www.youtube.com/user/HCSOvide...10/vh8VC2LMoCY
http://www.youtube.com/user/HCSOvide...11/GVuEQyZKsQg

The sky is not falling on my head, I get along just fine with no tickets. Program is very fair here, they dont issue violations for right on red unless its over 15mph. I agree that right on red at slow speeds is nuts, but everywhere does it different I think thats part of the mass hysteria. Some places are fair, some are too strict.

Now I cant believe that someone with a busted garage floor would even be allowed to vote......
If you are referring to the picture in the avatar you may want to take note the condition of the Corvette. It has no plates and the plastic is still on the seats. The picture was taken at the dealer the day the car was delivered. With perception like yours maybe the red light cameras are a good thing for you and the rest of us.

No the sky is not falling. Yet someday with a apathetic attitude you may wake up to find the sky a little to close for comfort.

"On Wednesday, a woman locked in the back of an Arizona Department of Public Safety (DPS) police car burned to death as a result of a rear end collision on Interstate 10 near Tucson. The Ford Crown Victoria models used by DPS are known to explode when struck from behind. Even though the cruiser was equipped with a special fire suppression system, it failed to prevent the fire. A similar sort of high-speed, rear end collision can happen on a freeway where speed cameras are used.

A preliminary examination of Scottsdale’s freeway camera program found a 54 percent increase in rear end collisions accompanied the 110,962 automated tickets issued in 2006. These accidents happened as motorists nearing the cameras panicked and braked suddenly to avoid receiving a citation. They were then struck from behind by motorists who failed to react in time to the unexpected maneuver.

A similar panic reaction caused a serious injury accident in Victorville, California, also on Wednesday. According to the Victorville Daily Press, a driver afraid of earning a $426 ticket slammed on the brakes during a yellow light at Bear Valley Road and Seventh Avenue. This driver stopped in time. The driver immediately behind also stopped in time after applying the brakes at full force. The third vehicle behind was driven by a woman who did not stop in time. Her minivan slammed the second vehicle into the first. The woman’s injuries were so serious that she had to be taken by helicopter to the Arrowhead Regional Medical Center"



Rear End Accidents Prove Deadly
Jun 6, 2009 ... Traffic cameras cause serious accidents in Tucson, Arizona; Victorville, ... California Court of Appeal Publishes Red Light Camera Hearsay Decision ... A similar panic reaction caused a serious injury accident in ...
www.thenewspaper.com › ... › Red Light Cameras - Cached - SimilarTraffic Cameras Cause Serious Accidents | The Truth About Cars
Jun 6, 2009 ... A similar panic reaction caused a serious injury accident in Victorville ... It's not like I like red light cameras… but the article doesn't ...
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/tra...ous-accidents/ - Cached - Similar

2007 Virginia DOT Report Shows Red Light Cameras Increase Accidents
Cameras were associated with an increase of between 31 percent and 54 percent for rear-end crashes overall," the report found. "The association of the cameras with angle crashes differed among jurisdictions, although a preponderance of test results suggested an increase."


2007 Virginia DOT Report Shows Red Light Cameras Increase Accidents
Jul 5, 2007 ... Although it is now widely accepted that red light cameras are associated with increases in the number of rear end collisions, the VTRC ...
www.thenewspaper.com › ... › Red Light Cameras - Cached - SimilarRed-Light Cameras Increase Accidents: 5 Studies That Prove It
Jan 8, 2008 ... First, they dismiss increases in rear-end collisions associated with red light cameras as “non-significant,” despite evidence to the ...
blog.motorists.org/red-light-cameras-increase-accidents-5-studies-that-prove-it/ - Cached - SimilarRear-end collisions jump at red-light camera intersections in West ...
May 24, 2010 ... Rear-end collisions jump at red-light camera intersections in ... --The only injury in either period came under cameras, in a rear-end crash ...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...ra-706186.html - Cached

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Sadly, many other Vette owners don't get the "in the name of safety as deception" part.

Amazing to see a society say "Please governemt, rip me off more"!

Adding new laws legitimizing a ripoff seems to be the current trend. Wipers/lights laws, doubling fines in safety corridors or construction zones, increased penalties for "agressive driving" for whatever "agressive driving" means as opposed to speeding, improper passing, or reckless driving. The list just goes on and on. And many are helped out by the insurance lobby which stands to make easy money in the increased violations.

As the great Jim Gerhart of NJ1015 fame says "he swears there is a supercomputer in the basement of the state house that scans every human activity to determine what has not yet been taxed or regulated".

Bring on the satellite based radar/speed camera detectors!
Guess I better order some Photoblocker.
Old Jul 30, 2010 | 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jmarch313
No problem, call me a "sheeple", or whatever you want to call me; however, I know that there are much better ways for police officers to spend their valuable time than to sit around at intersections and watch for light runners and speeders, when cameras can do the job better.

It is very obvious that "some" of these posters are in denial about their speeding and light running, when they insist that the camera is lying about the 4 or 5 tickets that they have received in the mail.

Now, regarding the rude and thoughtless comments that were made about my flag (), I will continue to fly my flag () as long as My Son and other sons & daughters are in harms way in Afghanistan and Iraq. So please keep your comments about my flag () to yourself.

I'll say no more!
There are more important things for cops to do than sit at intersections, but the robotic protectors are the Wrong Path to take because of the advancement of "big brother", invasion of privacy, spying, loss of freedom and how they can be manipulated as huge tax revenue and the countless times they fail and ticket everyone driving near them causing people needless aggravation, time and money lost by having to fight the injustice in court.

I can't speak for anyone else but i have always been very careful approching traffic signals, i have seen what damage can be done by "mashing the gas at the red".
Speeding and street racing are another story. I enjoyed that for half my life, you know "adrenaline rush"? I still make a few 0-90 mph runs at times and get the "rush".
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We are fighting back against this illegal spying and ticketing by redlight and speeding cameras. www.photoblocker.com. It works so well we don't even give the "photo eyes" any thought anymore. They can't ticket what they can't read.


This company will not sell Photoblocker spray in California. So where else can you get this?
Old Aug 3, 2010 | 06:51 PM
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We are fighting back against this illegal spying and ticketing by redlight and speeding cameras. www.photoblocker.com. It works so well we don't even give the "photo eyes" any thought anymore. They can't ticket what they can't read.


This company will not sell Photoblocker spray in California. So where else can you get this?
No worry, you are a SUNDAY DRIVER and you go slow and won't run over anybody!
Old Aug 3, 2010 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bluman
No points cause summons is issued to the vehicle and not the driver, your insurance is not affected.
There are legal questions surrounding the camera tickets. For example, still today we have the right to confront our accuser. That is why policeman/women still need to show up in court when you have a ticket.

Who is your accuser when your ticket is based on a camera? Have also heard an attorney say that you just say it was not me driving the car. Ticket is to the car. Apparently you are not obligated to offer up who was driving the car. Dunno...I'm not an attorney nor do I play one on TV.

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The lawyer in my house mentioned something about reading the 7th dca (CHICAGO) ruling on red light cameras. Also something to the effect that the Supreme Court has already ruled that the car owner can be held responsible regardless of who was driving. Thats the reason my Vette could be siezed if I lent it to somebody who does a kilo drug deal in it. Something about being more careful who we lend the car to. Im new to this myself, but I must confess ive been pretty tied up lately looking for the MMPP test that was supposed to come out this year.

The 2010 Florida Legislature passed House Bill 325, named after Mark Wandall who was killed by a red light runner. Sadly a father and three sons were killed last week by a red light runner.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/aug...st-pete-crash/

Would the camera have stopped him? No but Im sure it wasnt the first time he ran a red light. Maybe if he had a half dozen fines he would have changed his driving habits. Of course he was drunk too so who knows. Either way, im glad red light runners money will go to the government and supplement my taxes.

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No worry, you are a SUNDAY DRIVER and you go slow and won't run over anybody!
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The lawyer in my house mentioned something about reading the 7th dca (CHICAGO) ruling on red light cameras. Also something to the effect that the Supreme Court has already ruled that the car owner can be held responsible regardless of who was driving. Thats the reason my Vette could be siezed if I lent it to somebody who does a kilo drug deal in it. Something about being more careful who we lend the car to. Im new to this myself, but I must confess ive been pretty tied up lately looking for the MMPP test that was supposed to come out this year.

The 2010 Florida Legislature passed House Bill 325, named after Mark Wandall who was killed by a red light runner. Sadly a father and three sons were killed last week by a red light runner.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/aug...st-pete-crash/

Would the camera have stopped him? No but Im sure it wasnt the first time he ran a red light. Maybe if he had a half dozen fines he would have changed his driving habits. Of course he was drunk too so who knows. Either way, im glad red light runners money will go to the government and supplement my taxes.
Probably had some of that spray stuff on his tag so he felt invincable... He probably didn't receive the last 7 or so tickets that he was flashed for.
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If you are referring to the picture in the avatar you may want to take note the condition of the Corvette. It has no plates and the plastic is still on the seats. The picture was taken at the dealer the day the car was delivered. With perception like yours maybe the red light cameras are a good thing for you and the rest of us.

No the sky is not falling. Yet someday with a apathetic attitude you may wake up to find the sky a little to close for comfort.

"On Wednesday, a woman locked in the back of an Arizona Department of Public Safety (DPS) police car burned to death as a result of a rear end collision on Interstate 10 near Tucson. The Ford Crown Victoria models used by DPS are known to explode when struck from behind. Even though the cruiser was equipped with a special fire suppression system, it failed to prevent the fire. A similar sort of high-speed, rear end collision can happen on a freeway where speed cameras are used.

A preliminary examination of Scottsdale’s freeway camera program found a 54 percent increase in rear end collisions accompanied the 110,962 automated tickets issued in 2006. These accidents happened as motorists nearing the cameras panicked and braked suddenly to avoid receiving a citation. They were then struck from behind by motorists who failed to react in time to the unexpected maneuver.

A similar panic reaction caused a serious injury accident in Victorville, California, also on Wednesday. According to the Victorville Daily Press, a driver afraid of earning a $426 ticket slammed on the brakes during a yellow light at Bear Valley Road and Seventh Avenue. This driver stopped in time. The driver immediately behind also stopped in time after applying the brakes at full force. The third vehicle behind was driven by a woman who did not stop in time. Her minivan slammed the second vehicle into the first. The woman’s injuries were so serious that she had to be taken by helicopter to the Arrowhead Regional Medical Center"



Rear End Accidents Prove Deadly
Jun 6, 2009 ... Traffic cameras cause serious accidents in Tucson, Arizona; Victorville, ... California Court of Appeal Publishes Red Light Camera Hearsay Decision ... A similar panic reaction caused a serious injury accident in ...
www.thenewspaper.com › ... › Red Light Cameras - Cached - SimilarTraffic Cameras Cause Serious Accidents | The Truth About Cars
Jun 6, 2009 ... A similar panic reaction caused a serious injury accident in Victorville ... It's not like I like red light cameras… but the article doesn't ...
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/tra...ous-accidents/ - Cached - Similar

2007 Virginia DOT Report Shows Red Light Cameras Increase Accidents
Cameras were associated with an increase of between 31 percent and 54 percent for rear-end crashes overall," the report found. "The association of the cameras with angle crashes differed among jurisdictions, although a preponderance of test results suggested an increase."


2007 Virginia DOT Report Shows Red Light Cameras Increase Accidents
Jul 5, 2007 ... Although it is now widely accepted that red light cameras are associated with increases in the number of rear end collisions, the VTRC ...
www.thenewspaper.com › ... › Red Light Cameras - Cached - SimilarRed-Light Cameras Increase Accidents: 5 Studies That Prove It
Jan 8, 2008 ... First, they dismiss increases in rear-end collisions associated with red light cameras as “non-significant,” despite evidence to the ...
blog.motorists.org/red-light-cameras-increase-accidents-5-studies-that-prove-it/ - Cached - SimilarRear-end collisions jump at red-light camera intersections in West ...
May 24, 2010 ... Rear-end collisions jump at red-light camera intersections in ... --The only injury in either period came under cameras, in a rear-end crash ...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...ra-706186.html - Cached


Maybe if more people had the "spray" on their tag maybe they wouldn't be slamming on their brakes being afraid of getting a "quick camera flash".
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We are fighting back against this illegal spying and ticketing by redlight and speeding cameras. www.photoblocker.com. It works so well we don't even give the "photo eyes" any thought anymore. They can't ticket what they can't read.


This company will not sell Photoblocker spray in California. So where else can you get this?
Don't know.

Maybe a friend can get it in another state and send it to you.

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Here’s something I don’t understand about CF. You mention street racing in a tread and it gets locked and I understand why that occurs. It is an illegal activity that is inherently dangerous and kills motorists many not involved. But we can have a thread that explains what to buy to allow you to run red lights without being caught by camera enforcement. Is that not also a moving violation that is dangerous and kills motorists like racing?
I get the people like VS who are philosophically opposed to the use of red light cameras, that is their right. But to have posts telling people how to do it anyway and get away with it, I say open the discussion up for street racing too. As a forum do we pick which laws we can have discussions on how to defeat? I mean whats next a nice thread on where to hide the dope in the c6 if you’re a mule?
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Don't know.

Maybe a friend can get it in another state and send it to you.
I'll have to check Car & Driver or Motor Trend as I remember seeing it advertised in the back but that was a time ago.
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""Rebel 1 has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - redlight camera - in the C6 Corvette General Discussion forum of Corvette Forum.

This thread is located at:
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It is Really Pathetic how Some people put their "Complete Trust" in govt. to tell them How to run their lives. I believe some people are very comfortable with being told what is best for them and to Tax them to Death. Reminds me of lambs being led to the slaughter. There is an old quote as important now as in years past, "A people who give up Freedom for Safety deserve Neither".""

It's not pathetic in general, just to you apparently. There are troves of people that are far right and those that are far left then those who are somewhere around the middle. Thank somebody for the middle.

I haven't found anywhere the Government has told me that I cannot do something. In this discussion for example they haven't told me I cannot run a redlight they only say that if you do and you get caught you will get a ticket. You can do it as many times as you like and can afford (or survive) it. I personally would prefer you to NOT run the redlight and possibly endanger my life, the life of those I love and property in the process.

That blanket quote was old then and old now. Not that easy to be clean cut about it. Somewhere there's a balance between Order and Chaos.
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""Rebel 1 has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - redlight camera - in the C6 Corvette General Discussion forum of Corvette Forum.

This thread is located at:
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Here is the message that has just been posted:
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It is Really Pathetic how Some people put their "Complete Trust" in govt. to tell them How to run their lives. I believe some people are very comfortable with being told what is best for them and to Tax them to Death. Reminds me of lambs being led to the slaughter. There is an old quote as important now as in years past, "A people who give up Freedom for Safety deserve Neither".""

It's not pathetic in general, just to you apparently. There are troves of people that are far right and those that are far left then those who are somewhere around the middle. Thank somebody for the middle.

I haven't found anywhere the Government has told me that I cannot do something. In this discussion for example they haven't told me I cannot run a redlight they only say that if you do and you get caught you will get a ticket. You can do it as many times as you like and can afford (or survive) it. I personally would prefer you to NOT run the redlight and possibly endanger my life, the life of those I love and property in the process.

That blanket quote was old then and old now. Not that easy to be clean cut about it. Somewhere there's a balance between Order and Chaos.
You should then come the the Republik of Kali the State of Chaos where they tell you what days you can mow the lawn or use your chimney in the winter-Spare the air days along with a whole lot of other stupid laws and taxes we have to pay for. If t hey could they would charge you for the air you breath. They already charge for water.

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You should then come the the Republik of Kali the State of Chaos where they tell you what days you can mow the lawn or use your chimney in the winter-Spare the air days along with a whole lot of other stupid laws and taxes we have to pay for. If t hey could they would charge you for the air you breath. They already charge for water.
Two sides to every coin my friend. I would agree that our esteemed lawmakers have run lost their minds, but you can't talk about how bad it is without talking about why it's such a great place to live. NorCal is epic, in my very humble opinion. Especially if you own a Corvette!!!!

and the other scenery is pretty good too.....
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But of course to every advantage their is a disadvantage. Many different versions & different lifestyles.
I was born and raised here so I have seen the changes and can say that.
The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
But expect to pay alot of $$$ for anything here and get less services.
The cost of living, Real Estate, rent, fuel, water plus having to deal with the neglected freeways & roads so you will need alot more alignments.
The expense to operate a vehicle is higher here.
The insurance for Corvette will be much higher here in the State of Chaos Kali Republik compared to another state.
Seems to be those $$$monies alotted for specific funds end up going somewhere else. Result = no money no budget and no credit.
The State of Chaos used to have a great credit rating.
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Two sides to every coin my friend. I would agree that our esteemed lawmakers have run lost their minds, but you can't talk about how bad it is without talking about why it's such a great place to live. NorCal is epic, in my very humble opinion. Especially if you own a Corvette!!!!

and the other scenery is pretty good too.....
Hey I love the great view too but they are probably under 18.



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