Are the "Tintcoat" paints a pearl type paint?
08-07-2011, 12:35 PM
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Simply put, I disagree with this statement. Color is a very important aspect of the impression that a vehicle makes. The paint up-charge may not be listed in NADA, but it does affect the market for the car. Most sellers will make a buyer aware that it is a premium paint. Most educated buyers know that before hand without you needing to tell them. A color that you admire can add as much value to the car in terms of personal satisfaction as any other option that you might choose IMO.
08-07-2011, 12:54 PM
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These colors are also the hardest to match later on. Atomic Orange is extremely hard especially since they had different shades of it.
My wife's vehicle is an 09 GMC Yukon XL Denali with a White Diamond Tricoat. Looks fantastic but I've already been told I don't want to repaint a single area.
My wife's vehicle is an 09 GMC Yukon XL Denali with a White Diamond Tricoat. Looks fantastic but I've already been told I don't want to repaint a single area.
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08-07-2011, 01:25 PM
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Simply put, I disagree with this statement. Color is a very important aspect of the impression that a vehicle makes. The paint up-charge may not be listed in NADA, but it does affect the market for the car. Most sellers will make a buyer aware that it is a premium paint. Most educated buyers know that before hand without you needing to tell them. A color that you admire can add as much value to the car in terms of personal satisfaction as any other option that you might choose IMO.
08-07-2011, 01:39 PM
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I agree that color is important to a purchaser however on resale or trade you will not get any additional money because on color. I still say GM charges more simply because they can. Go buy a gallon of white paint from BASF or PPG which supplies GM. Go buy a gallon of crystal red metallic as well. Same price.
08-07-2011, 01:45 PM
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I agree that color is important to a purchaser however on resale or trade you will not get any additional money because on color. I still say GM charges more simply because they can. Go buy a gallon of white paint from BASF or PPG which supplies GM. Go buy a gallon of crystal red metallic as well. Same price.
) and they make it up on others. Bottom line, you don't have to opt for the upgraded paint. I got the paint but skipped the NAV because they wanted to bone me. It was not worth $2K to me. I also agree that you typically don't get your money back for fancy options at resale. But I prefer to select my options based on what I want, not resale.
08-07-2011, 08:14 PM
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Actually, they do in fact batch paint and you can see it anytime you enter the assembly plant (even on a public tour). As trucks are coming from the paint line out on to the final conveyer prior to inspection you will see sleds of the same color as far as the eye can see in groups and then a new group of colors will emerge. You can also see it in evidence on the line as groups of 10 or 11 of the same color in progression on the line.
Of course and I do agree that there is a price difference between the tint coat and conventional clear as well as the lower volume of course comes in to play but it is reflected in the form of a higher upcharge when compared to all of the other models using the same paint ($850 for Crystal Red on the Corvette as compared to $325 on the Camaro, Cruze and HHR for example.
Of course and I do agree that there is a price difference between the tint coat and conventional clear as well as the lower volume of course comes in to play but it is reflected in the form of a higher upcharge when compared to all of the other models using the same paint ($850 for Crystal Red on the Corvette as compared to $325 on the Camaro, Cruze and HHR for example.
Glad to hear the plant is in fact "batch painting" as that is the smart way and lowest cost way (less solvents/water used for color changes) but is a logisticts nightmare for some plants.A funny thing though (funny to me anyway) is 10-11 Vettes coming down the line the same color vs an entire 8 hour production of the same color in some auto plants!
08-07-2011, 08:42 PM
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Thanks for the good info Paul. Glad to hear the plant is in fact "batch painting" as that is the smart way and lowest cost way (less solvents/water used for color changes) but is a logisticts nightmare for some plants.
A funny thing though (funny to me anyway) is 10-11 Vettes coming down the line the same color vs an entire 8 hour production of the same color in some auto plants!
Glad to hear the plant is in fact "batch painting" as that is the smart way and lowest cost way (less solvents/water used for color changes) but is a logisticts nightmare for some plants.A funny thing though (funny to me anyway) is 10-11 Vettes coming down the line the same color vs an entire 8 hour production of the same color in some auto plants!
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08-07-2011, 08:45 PM
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I agree that color is important to a purchaser however on resale or trade you will not get any additional money because on color. I still say GM charges more simply because they can. Go buy a gallon of white paint from BASF or PPG which supplies GM. Go buy a gallon of crystal red metallic as well. Same price.
As far as resale value goes, red Vettes, especially Crystal Red Metallic Tintcoat, sell quicker and for more than any other color. This doesn't mean all extra cost options increase resale value, i.e., manual transmission Vettes sell for more than those with extra cost torque converter automatic transmissions, but extra cost paint does make a difference in the real world.
08-07-2011, 08:55 PM
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It varies from tint coat color to tint coat color. There are additives (colorants) put in each to affect the final (as viewed color) when applied over the color coat on the car.
08-07-2011, 08:55 PM
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I disagree, The plant in Japan that supplied and finally is again supplying the German patented ingredient that provides the outstanding luster and sparkle to the paints supplied in turn to GM and other car companies, doesn't come cheap.
As far as resale value goes, red Vettes, especially Crystal Red Metallic Tintcoat, sell quicker and for more than any other color. This doesn't mean all extra cost options increase resale value, i.e., manual transmission Vettes sell for more than those with extra cost torque converter automatic transmissions, but extra cost paint does make a difference in the real world.
As far as resale value goes, red Vettes, especially Crystal Red Metallic Tintcoat, sell quicker and for more than any other color. This doesn't mean all extra cost options increase resale value, i.e., manual transmission Vettes sell for more than those with extra cost torque converter automatic transmissions, but extra cost paint does make a difference in the real world.
08-07-2011, 09:03 PM
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The way it is, is that Kelly Blue Book can't possibly take into account the effects of color on resale values, and therefore they don't even try because this info is not reported to them. Talk to the pros who attend and bid on used cars at auctions if you want the real lowdown.
08-07-2011, 09:09 PM
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While I agree that you don't get your money back on a premium color I will say that when we started looking for our car my wife said she wanted the CRM. So I only looked for CRM's until we found one. The JSB was a distant second. We had a black car and didn't want another one although we still admire them. But that is why they paint them different colors, so you can choose the one you like.
08-07-2011, 09:15 PM
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08-07-2011, 09:16 PM
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The way it is, is that Kelly Blue Book can't possibly take into account the effects of color on resale values, and therefore they don't even try because this info is not reported to them. Talk to the pros who attend and bid on used cars at auctions if you want the real lowdown.
08-07-2011, 09:19 PM
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08-07-2011, 09:26 PM
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If someone is looking for a specific color, it makes a huge difference in not only the value, but how easy it is to sell.
I specifically went shopping for a used Atomic Orange convertible. I found a total of 3 for sale in the entire US. When I bought mine, I had to compete with another buyer for it.
While it may not make a difference in the KBB listing, it sure as heck makes a difference in how easy it is to sell and if you'll get your asking price or not. The fact is that some colors are just in demand more than others, and some colors are harder to find and bring more money as a result.
I specifically went shopping for a used Atomic Orange convertible. I found a total of 3 for sale in the entire US. When I bought mine, I had to compete with another buyer for it.
While it may not make a difference in the KBB listing, it sure as heck makes a difference in how easy it is to sell and if you'll get your asking price or not. The fact is that some colors are just in demand more than others, and some colors are harder to find and bring more money as a result.
08-07-2011, 09:37 PM
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If someone is looking for a specific color, it makes a huge difference in not only the value, but how easy it is to sell.
I specifically went shopping for a used Atomic Orange convertible. I found a total of 3 for sale in the entire US. When I bought mine, I had to compete with another buyer for it.
While it may not make a difference in the KBB listing, it sure as heck makes a difference in how easy it is to sell and if you'll get your asking price or not. The fact is that some colors are just in demand more than others, and some colors are harder to find and bring more money as a result.
I specifically went shopping for a used Atomic Orange convertible. I found a total of 3 for sale in the entire US. When I bought mine, I had to compete with another buyer for it.
While it may not make a difference in the KBB listing, it sure as heck makes a difference in how easy it is to sell and if you'll get your asking price or not. The fact is that some colors are just in demand more than others, and some colors are harder to find and bring more money as a result.
08-07-2011, 10:07 PM
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It's simple supply and demand. Go look for a used black C6 and see how many you find.
Value simply comes down to what someone will pay for any given item at any given time. Go talk to any Corvette dealer and ask them how long the waiting list is for a CRM or AO Corvette. The dealer in Dallas literally has folks waiting in line for one to show up.
If you don't believe it, go call any used Corvette dealer you like and see what they say.
Value simply comes down to what someone will pay for any given item at any given time. Go talk to any Corvette dealer and ask them how long the waiting list is for a CRM or AO Corvette. The dealer in Dallas literally has folks waiting in line for one to show up.
If you don't believe it, go call any used Corvette dealer you like and see what they say.
08-07-2011, 10:17 PM
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That is exactly right. There is/was no demand for that color thus limited availability. Just because you're willing to pay more for a color you want is simply your choice to get what you want. To think any color is worth more than another is no where near the reality for day to day consumers. Anything is only worth what you're willing to pay but cetrainly doesn't make it more valuable...it's strictly only valuable to YOU.