upgrading interior speakers
Pro
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From: El Paso TX
I agree, but petermj won't. I have tried. Don't try to agree with him at any point either, because he'll somehow bash that too, or he'll just ignore it, continuing to bash everything else, refusing to have a civilized conversation. He'll just keep posting that the sky isn't blue no matter what you say.
Razor could drop by with one of his famous "I like pie" comments, and petermj would somehow come up with a bunch of theoretical buzzwords that concludes with homemade pie having a horrible sound stage, which is why he likes his pie from walmart. However, he will continue to brag that he has invented the best pie recipe in the world, yet will not share the ingredient list, or even show us a picture of it until we "prove him wrong."
Talk about kindergarden strategies...
Razor could drop by with one of his famous "I like pie" comments, and petermj would somehow come up with a bunch of theoretical buzzwords that concludes with homemade pie having a horrible sound stage, which is why he likes his pie from walmart. However, he will continue to brag that he has invented the best pie recipe in the world, yet will not share the ingredient list, or even show us a picture of it until we "prove him wrong."
Talk about kindergarden strategies...
Tech Contributor
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From: Greensboro NC
2015 C6 of the Year Finalist
This banter is still going on?
That's just nuts.
No one is changing the other sides mind, just a lot of name calling and arguing going on.
I'm getting bored with all this and it accomplishes nothing, except maybe entertainment for some.
FYI, I'm about to do a complete audio install myself and nothing Peter has said is going to stop that.
I'll just let my ears be the judge of whether I have wasted my time and money.
That's just nuts.
No one is changing the other sides mind, just a lot of name calling and arguing going on.
I'm getting bored with all this and it accomplishes nothing, except maybe entertainment for some.
FYI, I'm about to do a complete audio install myself and nothing Peter has said is going to stop that.
I'll just let my ears be the judge of whether I have wasted my time and money.
Pro
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From: El Paso TX
Definitely the only reason I'm still around this thread. I don't normally feed the troll, but for some reason I find this tread very entertaining. I'm guessing the OP isn't even subscribed anymore... If only he knew what he was creating!!! 
Race Director
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From: Las Vegas NV
I agree, but petermj won't. I have tried. Don't try to agree with him at any point either, because he'll somehow bash that too, or he'll just ignore it, continuing to bash everything else, refusing to have a civilized conversation. He'll just keep posting that the sky isn't blue no matter what you say.
Razor could drop by with one of his famous "I like pie" comments, and petermj would somehow come up with a bunch of theoretical buzzwords that concludes with homemade pie having a horrible sound stage, which is why he likes his pie from walmart. However, he will continue to brag that he has invented the best pie recipe in the world, yet will not share the ingredient list, or even show us a picture of it until we "prove him wrong."
Talk about kindergarden strategies...
Razor could drop by with one of his famous "I like pie" comments, and petermj would somehow come up with a bunch of theoretical buzzwords that concludes with homemade pie having a horrible sound stage, which is why he likes his pie from walmart. However, he will continue to brag that he has invented the best pie recipe in the world, yet will not share the ingredient list, or even show us a picture of it until we "prove him wrong."
Talk about kindergarden strategies...
Le Mans Master
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 5,401
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From: Norman OK
You got it backwards bud. I am the only one who does not claim to be an expert and strongly recommend leaving things alone in corvette outside of turning down the rear speakers. Now, there seems to be a bunch of experts around here who obviously have enough expertise to justify spending money to accomplish audio improvements in corvette. Yet, nobody seems to be able to explain why they do what they do. Typically, there is a reason why improvement can be claimed, yet absolutely nobody can provide a rationale to replace current drivers with smaller ones and disconnect the center channel. Is the urge/compulsion to spend money and change thing for change's sake the only explanation?
You don't claim to be a expert, ok you just claim to be smarter and know more than the rest of us, so prove it. As you have stated many times we can't prove our point but then you can't prove your's either. Tell me what experience you have that would make me believe your statement "all amps sound exactly the same"
Team Owner
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Posts: 32,074
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From: San Francisco CA
This banter is still going on?
That's just nuts.
No one is changing the other sides mind, just a lot of name calling and arguing going on.
I'm getting bored with all this and it accomplishes nothing, except maybe entertainment for some.
FYI, I'm about to do a complete audio install myself and nothing Peter has said is going to stop that.
I'll just let my ears be the judge of whether I have wasted my time and money.
That's just nuts.
No one is changing the other sides mind, just a lot of name calling and arguing going on.
I'm getting bored with all this and it accomplishes nothing, except maybe entertainment for some.
FYI, I'm about to do a complete audio install myself and nothing Peter has said is going to stop that.
I'll just let my ears be the judge of whether I have wasted my time and money.
He is down for the count 1,2,3,
Le Mans Master
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 5,504
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From: Sacramento California
"Now that's funny and I don't care who you are"
You don't claim to be a expert, ok you just claim to be smarter and know more than the rest of us, so prove it. As you have stated many times we can't prove our point but then you can't prove your's either. Tell me what experience you have that would make me believe your statement "all amps sound exactly the same"
You don't claim to be a expert, ok you just claim to be smarter and know more than the rest of us, so prove it. As you have stated many times we can't prove our point but then you can't prove your's either. Tell me what experience you have that would make me believe your statement "all amps sound exactly the same"
http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm
The key is all amps SOUND the same.
Race Director
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From: Las Vegas NV
This is still up and running, report back with the copy of the payment you receive
http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm
The key is all amps SOUND the same.
http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm
The key is all amps SOUND the same.
Does this mean all amps sound the same in a normal install?
No. Richard Clark is very careful to say that amps usually do not sound the same in the real world. The gain setting of an amplifier can make huge differences in how an amplifier sounds, as can details like how crossovers or other filters are set. When played very loud (into clipping), the amplifier with more power will generally sound better than a lower powered amp.
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Pro
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From: Michigan
You seem to enjoy arguing so much, you should really get better at it. Your technique is so crude it is boring me. Good day.
Le Mans Master
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From: Sacramento California
Le Mans Master
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From: Sacramento California
Quote from the article you just posted.
Does this mean all amps sound the same in a normal install?
No. Richard Clark is very careful to say that amps usually do not sound the same in the real world. The gain setting of an amplifier can make huge differences in how an amplifier sounds, as can details like how crossovers or other filters are set. When played very loud (into clipping), the amplifier with more power will generally sound better than a lower powered amp.
Does this mean all amps sound the same in a normal install?
No. Richard Clark is very careful to say that amps usually do not sound the same in the real world. The gain setting of an amplifier can make huge differences in how an amplifier sounds, as can details like how crossovers or other filters are set. When played very loud (into clipping), the amplifier with more power will generally sound better than a lower powered amp.
Race Director
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From: Las Vegas NV
You: "The key is all amps SOUND the same."
The article you posted: Does this mean all amps sound the same in a normal install?
No. Richard Clark is very careful to say that amps usually do not sound the same in the real world. The gain setting of an amplifier can make huge differences in how an amplifier sounds, as can details like how crossovers or other filters are set. When played very loud (into clipping), the amplifier with more power will generally sound better than a lower powered amp.
It's a direct contradiction to what your preaching. You shot yourself in the foot and don't even know it.
Le Mans Master
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From: Sacramento California
Can you read? I took that passage directly from the article you posted.
You: "The key is all amps SOUND the same."
The article you posted: Does this mean all amps sound the same in a normal install?
No. Richard Clark is very careful to say that amps usually do not sound the same in the real world. The gain setting of an amplifier can make huge differences in how an amplifier sounds, as can details like how crossovers or other filters are set. When played very loud (into clipping), the amplifier with more power will generally sound better than a lower powered amp.
It's a direct contradiction to what your preaching. You shot yourself in the foot and don't even know it.
You: "The key is all amps SOUND the same."
The article you posted: Does this mean all amps sound the same in a normal install?
No. Richard Clark is very careful to say that amps usually do not sound the same in the real world. The gain setting of an amplifier can make huge differences in how an amplifier sounds, as can details like how crossovers or other filters are set. When played very loud (into clipping), the amplifier with more power will generally sound better than a lower powered amp.
It's a direct contradiction to what your preaching. You shot yourself in the foot and don't even know it.
Intermediate
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 36
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From: Southwest Missouri
Funny you mention that...
This question was asked three years ago on here!
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...d-a-troll.html
Really Peter?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...ports-car.html
lol
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Le Mans Master
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From: Sacramento California
Funny you mention that...
This question was asked three years ago on here!
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...d-a-troll.html
Really Peter?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...ports-car.html
lol
This question was asked three years ago on here!
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...d-a-troll.html
Really Peter?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...ports-car.html
lol
In lieu of coming up with anything relevant?...
Race Director
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From: Las Vegas NV
Funny you mention that...
This question was asked three years ago on here!
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...d-a-troll.html
Really Peter?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...ports-car.html
lol
This question was asked three years ago on here!
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...d-a-troll.html
Really Peter?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...ports-car.html
lol
It doesn't matter what any body comes up with peter, you will find a way to dance around it, flip it, worm out of it and change it into something completely irrelevant.
Le Mans Master
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From: Norman OK
This is still up and running, report back with the copy of the payment you receive
http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm
The key is all amps SOUND the same.
http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm
The key is all amps SOUND the same.
I go back to my original question what experience or training do you have that would make me believe you?
Le Mans Master
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Posts: 5,504
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From: Sacramento California
Ok under perfect conditions as reported in the test all amps sound the same. How go read the whole report and don't quote only the three words you think support your position. As already noted amps in real life SOUND different as reported by this report.
I go back to my original question what experience or training do you have that would make me believe you?
I go back to my original question what experience or training do you have that would make me believe you?
And you gotta be kidding me, right? You want me to present credentials to save you money and educate you a bit on the subject of car audio? I can care less if you waste your time and money. Here is a thought for you, educate yourself and start thinking independently instead of following with the rest of the sheep. Start asking for explanation and credentials from those who sell you your audio gear and those who insist on you spending your money. As it is so far, they do not seem to have any plausible answers or explanations. Again, you time and dime
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Haha, if anyone needs to re-read that challenge it is you. Maybe then you will understand that if amps sound different to anyone it is because they expect them to sound different or they do not know how to set them up or use them. Not any different than these people bragging how much their audio upgrades sound.
And you gotta be kidding me, right? You want me to present credentials to save you money and educate you a bit on the subject of car audio? I can care less if you waste your time and money. Here is a thought for you, educate yourself and start thinking independently instead of following with the rest of the sheep. Start asking for explanation and credentials from those who sell you your audio gear and those who insist on you spending your money. As it is so far, they do not seem to have any plausible answers or explanations. Again, you time and dime
And you gotta be kidding me, right? You want me to present credentials to save you money and educate you a bit on the subject of car audio? I can care less if you waste your time and money. Here is a thought for you, educate yourself and start thinking independently instead of following with the rest of the sheep. Start asking for explanation and credentials from those who sell you your audio gear and those who insist on you spending your money. As it is so far, they do not seem to have any plausible answers or explanations. Again, you time and dime