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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 04:49 PM
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It doesn't matter what any body comes up with peter, you will find a way to dance around it, flip it, worm out of it and change it into something completely irrelevant.
Considering that nobody came up with anything as of now, this seems to be a moot point. And where would I get my entertainment? Seeing how GM continues to increase the size of the door woofers and audio enthusiasts continue to spend their time making adapters to use smaller ones has to be one of the funniest things I have ever seen. Oh, and spend money doing this, too.
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 04:55 PM
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Isn't that why we're all here, to help each other? You have all of this vast knowledge and want to keep it to yourself. Not that I would listen to any of it anyway.
Seeing the reaction to the suggestion of not spending any money, apparently not Lack of common sense cannot be helped by others.
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by petermj
Seeing the reaction to the suggestion of not spending any money, apparently not Lack of common sense cannot be helped by others.
So you don't spend any money on your car? What about those new wheels you got? I'm sure the one's on there previously rolled just fine. I think you might have wasted some money there dude. I'm outa here.
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 05:29 PM
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Haha, if anyone needs to re-read that challenge it is you. Maybe then you will understand that if amps sound different to anyone it is because they expect them to sound different or they do not know how to set them up or use them. Not any different than these people bragging how much their audio upgrades sound.

And you gotta be kidding me, right? You want me to present credentials to save you money and educate you a bit on the subject of car audio? I can care less if you waste your time and money. Here is a thought for you, educate yourself and start thinking independently instead of following with the rest of the sheep. Start asking for explanation and credentials from those who sell you your audio gear and those who insist on you spending your money. As it is so far, they do not seem to have any plausible answers or explanations. Again, you time and dime
You don't get it at all do you?????
I don't give a s*** about you or what your credentials are, you seem to think you are the only one that is right and the only one that knows anything but you won't back up what you say you just keep saying the same old BS over and over.

I get explanation's and credentials from all the people I deal with and they can at least back up their point with experience or education or some form of justtification as to why I should listen to them.
You on the other hand just keep saying shut up and listen to me I am right and you are wrong and if you don't listen to me you are wasting your time and money but you can't back it up.

If you had any real experience or knowledge you would be more than proud to say so, you just have a point of view that you made up and that's all you have to go with.

The only place I am wasting my time and dime is talking to you, but it's so much fun, because people like you that say, I am right you are wrong, it is always this way, it never can be anyother way, are always WRONG.

That is the only time you will catch me saying something is always or never one way or the other you should think about that and go get some justification for your point of view.
Who knows you may be right but you can't prove you are or convience anyone that you are because you have nothing to back it up with except your mouth. You should take some debate classes and learn now to back up your idea's with facts.
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 05:35 PM
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You should take some debate classes and learn now to back up your idea's with facts.
Sorry for this statement I know it's wrong because this is not a debate on your part, in your mind you are right and we are wrong period, nothing to debate there.
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 05:38 PM
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As always it's been fun Peter, I may have learned something sad to say you did not. Remember the Corvette is not perfect nor is the sound system in it, but it can be made to "sound better" to the person that own's it.
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by okie08vette
You don't get it at all do you?????
I don't give a s*** about you or what your credentials are, you seem to think you are the only one that is right and the only one that knows anything but you won't back up what you say you just keep saying the same old BS over and over.

I get explanation's and credentials from all the people I deal with and they can at least back up their point with experience or education or some form of justtification as to why I should listen to them.
You on the other hand just keep saying shut up and listen to me I am right and you are wrong and if you don't listen to me you are wasting your time and money but you can't back it up.

If you had any real experience or knowledge you would be more than proud to say so, you just have a point of view that you made up and that's all you have to go with.

The only place I am wasting my time and dime is talking to you, but it's so much fun, because people like you that say, I am right you are wrong, it is always this way, it never can be anyother way, are always WRONG.

That is the only time you will catch me saying something is always or never one way or the other you should think about that and go get some justification for your point of view.
Who knows you may be right but you can't prove you are or convience anyone that you are because you have nothing to back it up with except your mouth. You should take some debate classes and learn now to back up your idea's with facts.
You may need some prozac

Plain and simple: replacing 10 inch woofers with 6 inch "higher quality" is counterproductive due to the higher sensitivity of larger drivers and their ability to produce equivalent output and play lower with less power (until you reach their linear excursion limits). If you have not enough output, you can easily increase it by employing eithe first or second order high pass filters you can build yourself with great ease and for a few dollars using parts from digikey or even radio shack.

Considering the positioning of the midrange/high frequency drivers and their aiming, a premature rolloff at the upper end is actually a good thing, makes for more pleasant listening experience since even small dedicated tweeters would be rolling off quickly due to severe off axis and low positioning and the results would be worse than those paper cone drivers deliver.

If you need to gain better end extension, you could again build some first or second order hi pass filters, tap into the current speakers and perhaps try to mount some tiny supertweets in the side vents, all you would need would be about 12k up freqs playing to extend the upper end.

The center channel is actually very useful when stock speaker locations are used, it helps to make the stage more symmetrical with the listener by by making the stage narrower and thus reducing the offset with the opposite side. The center channel also helps to create illusion of music playing out higher up and to a degree, improve stage centering and imaging detail.

There is no stereo effect to speak of in any car unless it has a center seating position. When drivers are pointed at each other, you end up with a textbook definition of hard panned mono that is centered in the middle of the car and at the height well below your ears, with completely no acoustic crosstalk, this is why you hear sounds well located at the passenger side door while sitting in the driver seat and then you hear them right next to you on your side. Center channel helps to reduce this difference, you lose width but you gain more symmetry.

There is considerably more to this but I do not feel like writing a book. This information is readily available and easy to verify through practical experiments, including using earphones and simulated car listening environment setting. Alternatively, you can hide your head in the sand and follow the rest of the sheep.
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by okie08vette
As always it's been fun Peter, I may have learned something sad to say you did not. Remember the Corvette is not perfect nor is the sound system in it, but it can be made to "sound better" to the person that own's it.
No doubt the audio system can be improved, you just have to understand what the problems are-helps to come up with an actual solution instead of going backwards
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jcalvin
Has anyone out there upgraded just their interior speakers? If so, what brand did you go with and did it improve your stereo?
As well, does anyone know if you can replace your amp with an aftermarket one with improved performance that'll fit where the stock one is? Thanks a ton guys =)
Wow....some thread anyway......
Here's my experience, did it all myself with the help of several forum members. I changed out the speakers, installed an amp, but kept the 6 disc changer. Was very disappointed in the results, not much better. So I up-graded to JL amp & Focal speakers still a little better but not what I expected. Decided to change the head unit....Bingo that did the trick, the Blose head unit is total crap. I think if your going to change one single thing you might want to start with a good head unit like a Kenwood or Panasonic. I've read posts where they where very happy with just changing the head unit. Just my 2 cents worth
Do a search in the stereo/audio section, there's tons of helpful hints.
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by EVRose
So you don't spend any money on your car? What about those new wheels you got? I'm sure the one's on there previously rolled just fine. I think you might have wasted some money there dude. I'm outa here.
I spend too much for sure, never though on audio or engine mods
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by petermj
Son, you are as clueless as the others, lack of common sense must be just the icing on the cake.
"Odd Peter"....ahhhhhh...it's ok...smile
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 07:06 PM
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Ah, a MECP... let me educate you about speaker cone diameter and frequency response-they are INDEPENDENT, you may want to remember this one Thanks for pointing me toward Crutchfield, LOL... Yes, I want a proof that by swapping the speakers without changing location or aiming, you can change the location of the stage, its height and focal point. This is limited to conventional drivers, horns and waveguides and arrays excluded, please enlighten me. Feel free to explain how accomplish phase shift correction by those speaker swaps while you are at it. Remember, you explicitly stated the stage can be moved by simply swapping speakers. I am calling you out on this one. Fire away Also, explain how it is possible to have any kind of stereo effect with speakers pointed directly at each other. I assume you understand the difference between panned mono and actual stereo effect and what is needed to at least attempt to emulate it.

And please, stop sounding like a sales brochure, you'd starve counting on making a sale with me...
If the insults were good, i could respect the "odd peter"....but they are hilarious. I like reading his 3 year old responses...

Just take a time out "odd peter"...catch your breath....we'll give ya some ice cream if you're good.
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by petermj
You have a problem with reading comprehension? Optimize the gains and get amp with enough power not to worry about clipping, assuming you can even determine that the amp is the one that is clipping. There is no contradiction, just lack of understanding on your behalf. Dynamic compression defies the objective of any audio upgrade and apparently you do not understand this very basic concept as so many others.
Wait a minute, wouldn't this require an aftermarket setup?
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 07:16 PM
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Really what? In lieu of coming up with anything relevant?...
LOL at "Odd Peter" An understatement but hilarious.

Really to the fact that you had to ask if the Corvette was a "sports car"
And relevant because it shows your character and history here.

JUST SAYIN
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KnightRooster
If the insults were good, i could respect the "odd peter"....but they are hilarious. I like reading his 3 year old responses...

Just take a time out "odd peter"...catch your breath....we'll give ya some ice cream if you're good.
Hmmm, what are the chances you were able to comprehend anything? I'd say next to none
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 07:44 PM
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LOL at "Odd Peter" An understatement but hilarious.

Really to the fact that you had to ask if the Corvette was a "sports car"
And relevant because it shows your character and history here.

JUST SAYIN
Shouldn't you be enjoying your home theatre? Just make sure to turn off the center channel to increase your enjoyment. LOL...
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 07:47 PM
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Wait a minute, wouldn't this require an aftermarket setup?
Learn what context means, assuming you do have such ability
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 07:52 PM
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We need a roster for those who attempted those upgrades... I have a sneaky suspicion the extent of this epidemy may be greater than I originally estimated. LOL
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 07:59 PM
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We need a roster for those who attempted those upgrades... I have a sneaky suspicion the extent of this epidemy may be greater than I originally estimated. LOL
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by petermj
We need a roster for those who attempted those upgrades... I have a sneaky suspicion the extent of this epidemy may be greater than I originally estimated. LOL
Why would you care? They aren't spending your money.
Your happy with the factory crap in your car, that's fine. Everyone who has changed it I'm sure is happy with the results and think it's money well spent, including myself. You can't sit there and try to tell everyone they aren't happy with the sound because it's staged wrong. Who cares.
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