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Why do you own a performance car then if "performance" means nothing .....
Not what he was saying. The point is that just because a base Mustang is slower than a base Corvette doesn't mean that the Corvette isn't a base model.
Yeah, which is why I don't like, nor do I talk to car people in real life. People try to engage me and I just say thanks and then tell them I'm in a hurry.
Well that really seems strange that with an attitude like that you would even want to waste time in a forum like this. Considering that it is 99.9% car talk, and 50% of the car talk is man thumping chest on how much better his car is. If I may be so bold....why do you even look at this forum ?...and better yet why do you chose to drive a car that only attracts attention from a lot of people, and some of the people are actually very good people that just want to discuss cars with you ?
Well that really seems strange that with an attitude like that you would even want to waste time in a forum like this. Considering that it is 99.9% car talk, and 50% of the car talk is man thumping chest on how much better his car is. If I may be so bold....why do you even look at this forum ?...and better yet why do you chose to drive a car that only attracts attention from a lot of people, and some of the people are actually very good people that just want to discuss cars with you ?
Notice I said in real life. In real life it's rude to just ignore people if they don't interest me. On the forum I can pick and choose what topics to discuss. And I spend most of my time on the forum in off topic, where there isn't much car talk.
I couldn't care less about getting into pissing matches either, to me it shows insecurity. I can't stand the people that like to thump their chest, so I don't do it. I don't want to be "that person" that just brags about how awesome I think my ZR1 is. It's just a car.
And I didn't buy the car to attract attention, I bought it for me. I shouldn't be forced to show it off and talk to everyone about it because it's not their car. I shouldn't have to justify it to anyone either. I'm not going to not drive it because I don't want the attention, that's just an annoying consequence that I deal with. I am aware that it comes with the territory, and that's why I'm always polite. But I can be polite and in a hurry too.
If you can't understand that I drive it because I like, then I don't know what else to say. I don't care if someone else hates it or loves it, and I don't want to talk to them about it. It's a device to be driven, not a conversation starter. I know plenty of people like to buy cars because they want to show off, but that's not why I do.
Last edited by Crabbers; Jul 13, 2015 at 03:18 PM.
I too have felt the shame and despair of "Base Model" ownership.
I tried to compensate by placing badges listing all the options on the flanks of my car, only to be scorned and ridiculed by the elite Z06 intelligency.
So I resorted to disguising my lowly bottom dwelling model using ZR1 bodywork, hoping that no one would notice that there were no factory A6, convertible ZR1's ever produced.
Some may consider this blasphemy akin to putting lipstick on a pig, so I am faced with keeping my car under wraps and only driving in the dead of night, hoping I won't be discovered as the lowlife pretender that I am.
Such is lot in life of the Base Model owner. Oh the horror.
Last edited by Knob Jockey; Jul 13, 2015 at 04:34 PM.
If it weren't for the base model, I wouldn't be driving a Vette. I'm sure that's true for most owners. In fact it's true for all, because without the base model there would be no upper-level model period. Money is almost always an issue, but it isn't always just the money, the base seemed best suited to my daily driver use and it has exceeded my expectations in that application. It seems obvious to me that GM put a lot of thought into keeping the design practical enough to ensure that would be the case.
I too have felt the shame and despair of "Base Model" ownership.
I tried to compensate by placing badges listing all the options on the flanks of my car, only to be scorned and ridiculed by the elite Z06 intelligency.
So I resorted to disguising my lowly bottom dwelling model using ZR1 bodywork, hoping that no one would notice that there were no factory A6, convertible ZR1's ever produced.
Some may consider this blasphemy akin to putting lipstick on a pig, so I am faced with keeping my car under wraps and only driving in the dead of night, hoping I won't be discovered as the lowlife pretender that I am.
Such is lot in life of the Base Model owner. Oh the horror.
Now u did it...the poseur police will be here shortly
Notice I said in real life. In real life it's rude to just ignore people if they don't interest me. On the forum I can pick and choose what topics to discuss. And I spend most of my time on the forum in off topic, where there isn't much car talk.
I couldn't care less about getting into pissing matches either, to me it shows insecurity. I can't stand the people that like to thump their chest, so I don't do it. I don't want to be "that person" that just brags about how awesome I think my ZR1 is. It's just a car.
And I didn't buy the car to attract attention, I bought it for me. I shouldn't be forced to show it off and talk to everyone about it because it's not their car. I shouldn't have to justify it to anyone either. I'm not going to not drive it because I don't want the attention, that's just an annoying consequence that I deal with. I am aware that it comes with the territory, and that's why I'm always polite. But I can be polite and in a hurry too.
If you can't understand that I drive it because I like, then I don't know what else to say. I don't care if someone else hates it or loves it, and I don't want to talk to them about it. It's a device to be driven, not a conversation starter. I know plenty of people like to buy cars because they want to show off, but that's not why I do.
Oh...no worries. After reading your post I "Completely" understand.
I too have felt the shame and despair of "Base Model" ownership.
I tried to compensate by placing badges listing all the options on the flanks of my car, only to be scorned and ridiculed by the elite Z06 intelligency.
So I resorted to disguising my lowly bottom dwelling model using ZR1 bodywork, hoping that no one would notice that there were no factory A6, convertible ZR1's ever produced.
Some may consider this blasphemy akin to putting lipstick on a pig, so I am faced with keeping my car under wraps and only driving in the dead of night, hoping I won't be discovered as the lowlife pretender that I am.
Such is lot in life of the Base Model owner. Oh the horror.
Don't worry you can drive in the daytime now...haven't you heard? The Z06 LS7 engine cant even handle the 505 HP it has! So now the "king of the hill" has dropped in status to the the "little engine that couldn't" when I see a Z06 or hear about a Z06 all I and most people think nowadays is this:
Last edited by Cor430vette; Jul 13, 2015 at 10:55 PM.
Oh...no worries. After reading your post I "Completely" understand.
I get the impression you're just being a d*ck. Correct me if I'm wrong, and if I am, feel free to disregard the following.
I don't really care what you think. If you bought your car simply because it draws attention, then you have issues. If you use it as a social crutch and just want everyone to look at you then you also have issues. If I want to talk to car people about my car I'll take it to a park and gawk show and set up a chair right next to it. Just because I didn't buy one for the same reasons you did I'm automatically the odd one? People have different tastes and do things for different reasons. Not everyone thinks like you, and your attitude is a prime example of why I don't like talking to "car enthusiasts".
I get the impression you're just being a d*ck. Correct me if I'm wrong, and if I am, feel free to disregard the following.
I don't really care what you think. If you bought your car simply because it draws attention, then you have issues. If you use it as a social crutch and just want everyone to look at you then you also have issues. If I want to talk to car people about my car I'll take it to a park and gawk show and set up a chair right next to it. Just because I didn't buy one for the same reasons you did I'm automatically the odd one? People have different tastes and do things for different reasons. Not everyone thinks like you, and your attitude is a prime example of why I don't like talking to "car enthusiasts".
WOOOOAAA there trigger...LOL. If you think i'm being a D@#K, then thats too bad, get over it child. Seems to me all that you are really doing is "Thumping Your Chest " on how you aren't a "Chest Thumper" and are beyond the world of good ol fashion car talk. 10 would get someone 20 that you are probably between 16-25 years old, never had your A@# kicked when growing up and when things don't go your way you scream for Daddy or your lawyer. If your older than that you should be ashamed of yourself. Its really pretty simple.....if you want to talk about only what you want to talk about, then I suggest that you go to "Bozo Forum"....lots a good info in there for people like you.....now heres something that any person should understand and agree with >>> you don't like talking about your corvette....then stay out of Corvette Forum.
WOOOOAAA there trigger...LOL. If you think i'm being a D@#K, then thats too bad, get over it child. Seems to me all that you are really doing is "Thumping Your Chest " on how you aren't a "Chest Thumper" and are beyond the world of good ol fashion car talk. 10 would get someone 20 that you are probably between 16-25 years old, never had your A@# kicked when growing up and when things don't go your way you scream for Daddy or your lawyer. If your older than that you should be ashamed of yourself. Its really pretty simple.....if you want to talk about only what you want to talk about, then I suggest that you go to "Bozo Forum"....lots a good info in there for people like you.....now heres something that any person should understand and agree with >>> you don't like talking about your corvette....then stay out of Corvette Forum.
Do you need a baseball glove to catch all the stuff that just went over your head? You completely missed the point of my entire post.
Keep in mind that I only said that I don't engage people in real life. That's it. Then you came in guns a blazin' asking me if I don't want to talk to complete strangers at the gas station, then why did I buy a Corvette? And furthermore, why would I be on the forum? I explained to you why I go to the forum and why I bought a car, but neither answer seemed to satisfy you. If you can't see someone else's viewpoint then I can't do anything about that. I totally understand that some people like to talk to strangers about cars. They enjoy the little conversations they have at the grocery store. I completely understand and respect that, it's just not for me. Different strokes for different folks.
I don't know where you interpret my dislike for random conversations when I have places to go for things not going my way and running to daddy or a lawyer
As for me needing a good butt kicking, you're more than welcome to come administer it yourself. I live in Auburn Hills Michigan. If you're ever driving through, be sure to contact me so you can get it all off your chest. Should I move, I will be sure to keep you updated. I'll even buy you a beer afterwards
Last edited by Crabbers; Jul 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM.
Don't worry you can drive in the daytime now...haven't you heard? The Z06 LS7 engine cant even handle the 505 HP it has! So now the "king of the hill" has dropped in status to the the "little engine that couldn't" when I see a Z06 or hear about a Z06 all I and most people think nowadays is this:
As the Supremes once sang -- Stop, In the Name of Love --
enough guys! all the C6 models are wonderful... take your energy and go do more bashing of the C7.
100% we're all members on this forum for the same reason, the love of OUR CORVETTE whether it's a base model or the king ZR1. the base model is a great machine in it's own right especially due to the fact it shares the same great engine the GS has. and besides, it is a little quicker.
Choose any C6 and when you are in the cockpit they look nearly identical. Yes, there are slight differences in option levels but for the most part, it would be hard for anyone but us to tell the differences.
As far as power train, frame, suspension, etc., it's like a buffet line. Some like the mac and cheese and others want the lobster. But there really isn't much of a difference when you think about it.
The key here is marketing packages. Chevy and other auto makers are masters at it. In all reality, the ZR1 can't cost much more to build than a Grand Sport or even a base. They all need the same number of parts. How much different can those parts cost to an automaker? Since the base model sells the most, you know Chevy is making a profit on it. The other models, while certainly deserving of some small premium, are simply additional profit centers. All need an engine, transmission, etc. The aluminum frame can't cost that much more. They all travel the same line when built. The difference is perception. We perceive some models to be cooler because they are more expensive and Chevy tells us they are.
Of course I am discounting R&D, but in all fairness, the base is the first model so its R&D had to cost more than the others. With the Z06 and ZR1 we are only talking about refinements. The bottom line is that unless you bought your Vette to put on a track, we are arguing about marketing.
Choose any C6 and when you are in the cockpit they look nearly identical. Yes, there are slight differences in option levels but for the most part, it would be hard for anyone but us to tell the differences.
As far as power train, frame, suspension, etc., it's like a buffet line. Some like the mac and cheese and others want the lobster. But there really isn't much of a difference when you think about it.
The key here is marketing packages. Chevy and other auto makers are masters at it. In all reality, the ZR1 can't cost much more to build than a Grand Sport or even a base. They all need the same number of parts. How much different can those parts cost to an automaker? Since the base model sells the most, you know Chevy is making a profit on it. The other models, while certainly deserving of some small premium, are simply additional profit centers. All need an engine, transmission, etc. The aluminum frame can't cost that much more. They all travel the same line when built. The difference is perception. We perceive some models to be cooler because they are more expensive and Chevy tells us they are.
Of course I am discounting R&D, but in all fairness, the base is the first model so its R&D had to cost more than the others. With the Z06 and ZR1 we are only talking about refinements. The bottom line is that unless you bought your Vette to put on a track, we are arguing about marketing.
There is very little difference, if any, in cost between a narrow fender and a wider one. And speaking of marketing genius, think how many people traded in a C6 for one that had Bluetooth...an item that may cost GM $20. Brilliant!
As the Supremes once sang -- Stop, In the Name of Love --
enough guys! all the C6 models are wonderful... take your energy and go do more bashing of the C7.
Sorry SNOW....you are absolutely correct. I can usually ignore the rif-raf....but sometimes the S@#T that rolls out of their mouths just can't be ignored. I'm not gonna bash the C-7 cause i'm not one of those in denial/bias people that say they don't want what they don't have. I'd love to have one, heard a few troubles with them, but not up on any of the specifics yet.
Choose any C6 and when you are in the cockpit they look nearly identical. Yes, there are slight differences in option levels but for the most part, it would be hard for anyone but us to tell the differences.
As far as power train, frame, suspension, etc., it's like a buffet line. Some like the mac and cheese and others want the lobster. But there really isn't much of a difference when you think about it.
The key here is marketing packages. Chevy and other auto makers are masters at it. In all reality, the ZR1 can't cost much more to build than a Grand Sport or even a base. They all need the same number of parts. How much different can those parts cost to an automaker? Since the base model sells the most, you know Chevy is making a profit on it. The other models, while certainly deserving of some small premium, are simply additional profit centers. All need an engine, transmission, etc. The aluminum frame can't cost that much more. They all travel the same line when built. The difference is perception. We perceive some models to be cooler because they are more expensive and Chevy tells us they are.
Of course I am discounting R&D, but in all fairness, the base is the first model so its R&D had to cost more than the others. With the Z06 and ZR1 we are only talking about refinements. The bottom line is that unless you bought your Vette to put on a track, we are arguing about marketing.
100% we're all members on this forum for the same reason, the love of OUR CORVETTE whether it's a base model or the king ZR1. the base model is a great machine in it's own right especially due to the fact it shares the same great engine the GS has. and besides, it is a little quicker.
