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Old May 19, 2019 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by T. Eric
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You've explained very well what the CoW Booseter doesn't do. I'm interested in exactly what it DOES do. Exactly what makes it different from any other throttle controller?

Please ad me to the list of those patiently waiting for an answer to this question.
Old May 19, 2019 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by T. Eric
Chuck,

Could you please answer this?

The CoW BOOSTER! is....... a special reflash of the throttle processor inside the ecm that is not accessible with ordinary re-flash tools.

All CoW BOOSTER! installs are done here on live vehicles or on my workbench for mail order customers.

What a plug in throttle controller is..... a piece of junk that plugs in between (modifying or tampering with a very carefully engineered system) your

gas pedal and the engine control module. It intercepts the VALID / ACTUAL throttle position signal from the pedal and mathematically manipulates

(misrepresents) the signal going to the ECM. For instance... You press 25% on the pedal and the device manipulates the signal to the ecm telling

it ECM that the pedal is down 50%... or you press the pedal 75% and then the device misrepresents the pedal position to the ECM as 100%.

Raise your hand if you see a problem with that......

The CoW BOOSTER! (aside from being 1,000% safe) is not misrepresenting anything, NOT changing the resistance of the delicate circuits that GM

designed to keep you safe, and does not attempt to introduce chips and LEDs or extend the wires and and additional connectors (changing the resistance

of the calibrated wires) going to the ECM......

Instead, you'll see that these cars have lazy throttles simply because when you design a V8 engine like the LS with a 90mm throttle body, it makes it

impossible for humans to precisely control the throttle as very slight movements of the throttle bade make for significant transitions in airflow making

the car difficult to drive. Regardless of how amazing of a driver you think you are.... As a HUMAN you are not capable operating the throttle with your foot

as precisely as would be necessary to make safe controlled throttle transitions.... if GM gave you a more aggressive (or more linear) throttle control.

SO, looking at the graphs below you can see where (mostly below 3/4 pedal) they electronically limit throttle opening SIGNIFICANTLY to allow you

or anyone (old ladies, people with leg injuries, young or inexperienced drivers, etc) safely operate the car making it safe and controllable for EVERYONE.

WAHLAH..... EVERY LS based car and truck on the road has a tremendously LIMITED THROTTLE.

You should understand that LIMITING THE THROTTLE DOES is LIMIT AIRFLOW..... Which LIMITS POWER. To say the CoW BOOSTER! does not add

power or does not make your car faster is completely ignorant. NO your peak dyno number will not change whatsoever, but if you're like most normal

people, you'll take EXTRA POWER anywhere you can get it. Significant power is added in the middle and lower throttle ranges and simply in lower RPMs as

well. A throttle that is LESS ELECTRONICALLY LIMITED opens the blade MORE relative to pedal position and simply, MORE AIR COMES IN and

MORE POWER IS MADE. End of story. As a human, NO you can not just push the pedal more and get more. Try it.... I'll bet you the title for your car you can't

do what the CoW BOOSTER! does. It's a common misconception, but every customer I have will tell you you're wrong.

NO, it's also not just "throttle response" you're noticing..... Again, you're human and your brain works really slow relative to the computer.... Because the

electronic throttle is LIGHTNING FAST, when you press the throttle with the CoW BOOSTER! the throttle instantly jumps to whatever (much more open)

throttle position I've programmed which is much more open than any NON CHUCK MODIFIED ecm.... and aside from feeling the surge in power due to the

instantly enhanced throttle opening.... Your human brain perceives the instant increased throttle, airflow, and resulting POWER and the change is faster than

your brain can process.... and you say "WOW! the throttle response is AMAZING!" , Yes.... it is... but not "just throttle response".... It's REAL POWER.




You'll notice that we put he GRAY liner line on the graph for reference..... Why you ask didn't we program it to be linear???

Simply because it would break your NECK, AXLES, and not be very fun to drive. The RED DOTTED line represents

the approximate NEW INCREASED THROTTLE OPENING LIMITS. The Green and Purple lines represent the GM

programmed very conservative throttle profiles. I used the throttle position of about 75% earlier to represent the

improvement zone but in most applications it's actually SIGNIFICANTLY increased from about 80 or 90% down to 0.

Chew on all of this and read it twice..... Let me know if you need some clarification.

Too many people don't understand HOW it works.... but understand HOW is not necessary to enjoy it.

With the CoW BOOSTER! the ECM ALWAYS knows the ACTUAL pedal position and not a manipulated pedal position .

Tuners will tell you that the ECM does different things when the throttle pedal is in different positions.... WHY LIE to the ECM?

Youll also notice that the GM curves are not curves, but are more kinked and notchy which translates to erratic throttle

transitions. Notice the CoW BOOSTER! smooths out the curve a great deal which is one of the many reasons why CoW BOOSTER!

is soo much better to drive for those that have had the opportunity to try both products.

Lastly, there are 17 rows and 17 columns in the throttle control tables appropriately spread out so the ECM can interpolate mid position

data to make smooth throttle transitions and it works well. But with a plug in controller (by nature of their design) they always advance

the pedal position from say 50% to 75% we'll say.... (BTW, we have them here and we've mapped them out on our Throttle Body bench

test rig) and they cause you to lose valuable throttle resolution which has the effect of multiplying the already notchy GM curves and

enhancing the already NOT smooth throttle control tables.

The reason for the high incidence of issues and failures of the competitor's product (vs. ZERO FAILURES for us) is because the system is

SO VERY CAREFULLY CALIBRATED to avoid fatalities and lawsuits for GM and then you introduce foreign made stuff into the delicate

throttle system.... You should expect some failures.... YOU might be ok, but others are not.

We would never consider releasing the product we developed if there was even a 1% chance of failure, rework, or comeback.... That would be stupid.

Not everyone cares because if you operate from a PO box..... you can just DISAPPEAR if the water gets deep.

Don't buy JUNK for your CORVETTE.

Chuck CoW







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Old May 19, 2019 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BadAV
I would propose that it should make at least a small difference; it might be immeasurable in practice. Electricity flows much faster than physically moving your foot further on the accelerator, so if you reach a desired throttle position 30 milliseconds sooner with a throttle controller the car is moving at the desired pace sooner. It probably doesn't translate into a meaningful drop in et but should be there in reality.

Very good.... but Much bigger than you know.....

Read the preceding post.... It makes it very clear.

Thank you.
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Old May 19, 2019 | 10:22 PM
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Note for anyone unsure about what's going on here: I'm an ASE certified Master Tech and Advanced Engine Performance Specialist.

Chuck,
Thank you very much for the explanation. I think you could use a PR rep, but I'm sold. You know what you are doing.


All,
There is NO comparison to external throttle controllers. Popularity is irrelevant in this case. (Chuck should coin a new term to describe the service to avoid all of the comparisons and controversy. Maybe call it a C.o.W. Booster?!!)

Chuck is right in saying that this is the ONLY correct way to adjust throttle actuation control.

It's clear to me that this will take some time to adjust to after driving with a stock ECM, but it will also give far better control with slight changes in pedal position. This is without any other modification to the car/truck. When you add power mods, the difference will become even more clear.


OP,
Thanks for the poll, but I ended up with a different answer than you.
Old May 19, 2019 | 11:20 PM
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Your welcome for the poll. As we all can agree, the results show Vitesse is clearly the most popular device, by far.
When it's all said and done, its about enjoying the ride and that's what driving a Vette is all about!
Now get out and drive!
Old May 21, 2019 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by T. Eric
Note for anyone unsure about what's going on here: I'm an ASE certified Master Tech and Advanced Engine Performance Specialist.

Chuck,
Thank you very much for the explanation. I think you could use a PR rep, but I'm sold. You know what you are doing.


All,
There is NO comparison to external throttle controllers. Popularity is irrelevant in this case. (Chuck should coin a new term to describe the service to avoid all of the comparisons and controversy. Maybe call it a C.o.W. Booster?!!)

Chuck is right in saying that this is the ONLY correct way to adjust throttle actuation control.

It's clear to me that this will take some time to adjust to after driving with a stock ECM, but it will also give far better control with slight changes in pedal position. This is without any other modification to the car/truck. When you add power mods, the difference will become even more clear.


OP,
Thanks for the poll, but I ended up with a different answer than you.

Thank you VERY much! It's good to see that some people do actually understand what I've done here.

Anyone who knows better, should be able to see the clear difference between the two products... Additionally, anyone who has had the

luxury of driving BOTH products learns that the CoW BOOSTER! is much more powerful, smoother, and offers greater control....and what

should be on top of the list is SAFETY.

Your welcome for the poll. As we all can agree, the results show Vitesse is clearly the most popular device, by far.
When it's all said and done, its about enjoying the ride and that's what driving a Vette is all about!
Now get out and drive!
I never mind competition... in fact I welcome it and I strongly encourage people to drive cars with either mods before buying because

anyone that tries both.... will go with me,.

In this world of people wanting instant gratification or don't mind buying cheaply made products if they can get them quicker, that's

just how the world works now a days.

The CoW BOOSTER! still retains the title of the " Most AMAZING C6 product ever offered " and is the most popular product we sell to date.

When there are 2 gas stations on opposite sides of the street, or McDonald's on one corner and Burger King on the other.... regardless of which is

"better" each usually nets the same # of customers.... just simply because they are across the street and you get some people coming and you

get others....going.... The problem is when you buy REALLY CHEAP products.... and you pay full price.... Cause you don't know any better....

That's where problem lies..... And YES, you get what you pay for.....




When you pay $200 for something that only costs $1..... It's gotta make you think...

PROUDLY ENGINEERED and MADE IN THE USA!

Chuck CoW

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Old May 21, 2019 | 01:06 AM
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I've mentioned before and I'll mention again, since it keeps coming up and I've tried both. COW Booster software base solution for me. I tried Vitesse and got a CEL code and limp mode. Luckily it didn't do this in a bad place. For me it was one strike and you're out due to the safety concerns. So far more than a year with the COW Booster and no issues.
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Have the COW Booster in my 02 ZO6 and 11 Grand Sport! LOVE IT! ZERO ISSUES!!!
Chuck stands behind his products and will strive to resolve any issues or questions you have.
Excellent product with zero issues.

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Old May 21, 2019 | 01:27 AM
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Don't buy the Vitnesse. The **** broke on mine and their customer service is crap. Absolutely disappointing. Will not respond to emails, and say they won't ship a replacement until they have a "spare" on hand.

I'd go with the COW if anything. I have my car tuned now so not needed, but when it was stock, there was certainly an enjoyable difference in TR until the unit broke...

Again, don't but the Vitnesse.

Ya don't say..... For me.... ZERO FAILURES EVER sounds nice.... Many failures....
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Don't buy the Vitnesse. The **** broke on mine and their customer service is crap. Absolutely disappointing. Will not respond to emails, and say they won't ship a replacement until they have a "spare" on hand.

I'd go with the COW if anything. I have my car tuned now so not needed, but when it was stock, there was certainly an enjoyable difference in TR until the unit broke...

Again, don't but the Vitnesse.
And the reported failures just seem to keep going up.....

Please understand..... Spares take a while to get.... When they all come all the way from China.....
Old May 21, 2019 | 03:17 AM
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I wouldn't buy a CoW booster just based on that fact that he is totally disrespectful to this Forum and its members. I am sure he has lost several sales just based on his business and personal etiquette. I am sure there are several purchasers of the Vitesse or Pedal Commander that were just turned off by this guys disrespect to Forum members.

I say **** Chuck and the CoW you rode in on!

Now, back to the original post: What throttle controller did you buy or plan to buy?
The numbers in this poll don't lie. Vitesse is the most popular throttle controller based on the survey results.

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Old May 21, 2019 | 07:19 AM
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Gee, does it all of a sudden look like the Vitesse haters/ CoW lovers are coming out of the woodwork? Do you think it's coincidence or that Chuck is drumming up supporters to spam the thread? I wonder......
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I'm calling you on that.

I contend that the carrots would be fully cooked after 1-2 hours of driving -- making them useless for throttle enhancement.

BTW, are they covered or uncovered? Makes a bit difference as to how quickly they cook.

Yeah but...... Carrots get soft and rubbery when not properly refrigerated..... USE YOUR A/C on full BLAST to avoid any

Limp Carrot circumstances (even in winter!) to get the MAXX out of your throttle control device!!

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For all the non believers, naysayers, and the people who simply do not know, but think they do, and for everyone who has no idea... but like to stir the pot!!!
I went from a 900+ hp pro street Camaro to a 2011 grand sport, and of course the vette left me wanting more!!! the Camaro (carbureted with a throttle cable) would blaze the tires with instant response to my foot... the Vette was ok but definitely leaving something behind when I mash the pedal on the right... I just thought it was just because it’s not 900hp.
Then I spoke with Chuck CoW... then in a couple days I had the throttle response I remember!! CoW booster alone
(before any tuning) was night and day!!!!!!! CoW Booster all day any day!!!! I will definitely be looking to Chuck CoW for more mods!!!!
Old May 21, 2019 | 11:32 AM
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Hey Guyzer, you should just shut the poll down. Chuck is stacking the deck and recruiting shills.
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Originally Posted by BadAV
Hey Guyzer, you should just shut the poll down. Chuck is stacking the deck and recruiting shills.
I can speak for myself!!!! I’m on the east coast, where the weather is just starting to get nice now... I wasn’t aware of the poll thread because I was busy detailing my Vette... getting her ready for shows and spring/summer cruises!
Everyone is allowed their own opinion!! I say keep the poll open until votes stop coming in!! They don’t stop a football game in the first quarter because your team is winning do they??? Let the game play out!!!
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Originally Posted by Fulltiltboogie
I can speak for myself!!!! I’m on the east coast, where the weather is just starting to get nice now... I wasn’t aware of the poll thread because I was busy detailing my Vette... getting her ready for shows and spring/summer cruises!
Everyone is allowed their own opinion!! I say keep the poll open until votes stop coming in!! They don’t stop a football game in the first quarter because your team is winning do they??? Let the game play out!!!
Everyone is absolutely entitled to their own opinion. But when someone goes out and actively starts stacking the deck the poll is meaningless. And it's not mere coincidence that only CoW boosters are suddenly coming out of the woodwork.

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I've had the COW Booster installed on three Corvettes already. The COW Booster in conjunction with readjusting the trany tune made every one of them more fun to drive, more controllable, and more predictable as to what will happen with a given set of peddle movement.

And the throttle rates were completely adjustable over the whole range of peddle movement.

If I bought another Vette it would be the first thing I would do to it hands down.
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I wonder how many "ghost accounts" lie dormant just waiting to extoll the virtues of one product. It seems to happen in every thread that one particular vendor is involved in. Hmmmmm.
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No ghost account here. I'm a real customer and would be a repeat customer if I bought another car.



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