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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by blznsdl
z51= coupe,stick.... for racers


f55= verts and a/t coupes

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Boy what Freud would say about your remark... I remember reading a bike test between a bunch of fantastic Japanese bikes, a Ducati and a good ole Harley Sportster. A bunch of riders had wrung them out on twisty bike-heaven roads and then rated the bikes. Naturally -- for a sport bike -- the Harley finished dead last. (I've had them all, and they were right). Then, they decided to make a fast run (again, twisty roads) to their favorite watering hole -- all out street race. Which bike finished first? The Sporster. Why? The guy riding it was a super bike racer.

I have a close friend who used to race -- a girl. I guarantee that I could hand 99% of the members of this forum the keys to a Z06, and rent her a Buick from Hertz, and she would crush you. The real joke here is 99% of the people with Z51 never use the suspension as intended, and 99% of those with F55 do, but don't know it. By the way, when I was shopping for my Vette I noticed plenty of Z51, a/t verts. End.
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 02:08 AM
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Wow im not a enginer or a rocket scientist but i have z51 sway bars and big brakes on my F55 package and there is no problem at all the ride is a little stiffer than before but not in a straight line . And to answer the question the F55 thumps when the suspension is hit hard just like a Z51 if you lower the car raise the sensors up a little and you are rollin .
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 02:21 AM
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I have an F55 vert. My first suspension mod was the Z51 sway bars. There was not much difference in ride quality - a little but not much. Then I added the Baer Eradispeed slotted and cross-drilled rotors with Hawk brake pads. The difference now is more noticeable. When I hit a good sized bump in the roadway I do get a "thump" that I did not get before. The ride on an open highway in good condition is still excellent, but the rougher roads are just that - a little rough. If I had it to do over again......well, I'm not sure. I love the looks of the car with the rotor mods, but there has been some deterioration in ride quality. I guess what I'm saying is that if you want F55 strictly for soft ride quality keep the suspension stock. If you are going to do some spirited driving add the sway bars. If you are going for appearance get what looks good to you but be prepared to pay a ride quality price.
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 10:26 AM
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benspruce hows your top? Try this take your car down a rough road and get a baseline then go home raise your front a arm sensors 1/8 inch and hit the same road again , try it and let me know what you think ?
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by benspruce
I have an F55 vert. Then I added the Baer Eradispeed slotted and cross-drilled rotors with Hawk brake pads. When I hit a good sized bump in the roadway I do get a "thump" that I did not get before.
Maybe the new rotars weigh more and you have increased unsprung weight? Seems like it wouldn't make a difference. If drivers want the feel of the Z51, they really should order that option. Messing with unsprung weight on the F55 maybe an issue.
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:09 AM
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Who says the eradispeeds weigh more ? anybody ever weigh them I bet they dont if so not much look at the two side by side . The F55s come from the factory with all different rides heights no two are the same but the factory ride sensor is always in the same spot , it reads of the a arm so a car that sits alittle lower is going to ride stiffer thru the bumps . This sensor is easy to move and makes the suspension very tuneable and it works .
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by haulina29
Who says the eradispeeds weigh more ? anybody ever weigh them I bet they dont if so not much look at the two side by side . The F55s come from the factory with all different rides heights no two are the same but the factory ride sensor is always in the same spot , it reads of the a arm so a car that sits alittle lower is going to ride stiffer thru the bumps . This sensor is easy to move and makes the suspension very tuneable and it works .
No one said they weighed more, just speculation. But you say the sensor can be moved to tune the suspension? Do you mean along the A-arm? How?

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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 12:25 PM
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scrannel yes the sensor hangs off a bracket above the a arm you can move it up a little and it allows the car to come down further before the shocks stiffens up and reverse is also true if you go lower with the sensor , how you move it is up too you. pull a wheel of and you will see the sensor , go slow with the amount you move it "dont go a quarter inch at a time lol try 1/8 at a time " !! at1/16 to 1/8 inch you should see a noticable difference H29
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by haulina29
scrannel yes the sensor hangs off a bracket above the a arm you can move it up a little and it allows the car to come down further before the shocks stiffens up and reverse is also true if you go lower with the sensor . pull a wheel of and you will see the sensor , go slow with the amount you move it "dont go a quarter inch at a time lol try 1/8 at a time " !! at 1/8 inch you should see a noticable difference H29
Wow. Very, very cool. Thanks haulina, I'll carefully give it a try.
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jschindler
Jeff, have you ever ridden in a F55 car? Come to Houston, I have one. Bring a Z51 car, and bring cash. We'll go to an autocross and see how much difference it makes

I've had both Z51 and F55 C6's. You people who think the Z51 is the end all, and that all Corvettes should have it sure are narrow minded. I don't criticize anyone for their choices. But I see an awful lot of Z51 fans acting like if you don't by Z51 you are some kind of second class citizen. The really annoying part of it is that most of the Z51 zealots have never spent any time driving the other variations.

If you have Z51, and it's the only way you would by a Corvette, that's fine. But please quit talking down to those who don't have it as if they are idiots.
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 05:26 PM
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Amen!!!!
I've competed on track and road courses in a variety of fast cars. I ordered my Vette with the F55 option rather than settle for one of the many Z51's sitting on the dealer's lot. Everyone is entitled to their opinion...it just helps if it happens to be an informed one.
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by haulina29
Who says the eradispeeds weigh more ? anybody ever weigh them I bet they dont if so not much look at the two side by side . The F55s come from the factory with all different rides heights no two are the same but the factory ride sensor is always in the same spot , it reads of the a arm so a car that sits alittle lower is going to ride stiffer thru the bumps . This sensor is easy to move and makes the suspension very tuneable and it works .
The 2 piece rotors are supposed to weigh less than the 1 piece ones due to the "hat" part in the center benig made out of aluminum. It would seem that lowering the unsprung weight would only help handling and ride... unless there is an incompatibilty with the Mag Ride software program. I'll bet that the heavier GM 1 piece rotors would contribute to the wheels banging into potholes harder.
I put huge tubular (lightweight) swaybars on my Mustang GT and had no change in ride other than situations where there was a difference in wheel movement side-to-side on the same axle. (For example, when going into a driveway at a diagonal, the car was noticably stiffer since one side of the suspension was being compressed through the sway bar). There was very little lean around corners so it got rid of the "seasick" feeling and worked quite well on the street.
Thanks for the excellent comments on the F55 sensor adjustment.
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 10:55 PM
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Damayor I would agree with you 100 percent .
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Old Nov 11, 2005 | 01:50 AM
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Haulina, thanks for your comments about tunning the F55 system. I definitely want to check that out. Sounds like it will make for a good improvement in the ride I am getting now. Again, thanks.
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