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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TTRotary
Just talked to Sean at Orange County Corvettes and he mentioned they just baselined a SL600: 411RWHP. My car baselined 355 bone stock on that dyno. So there is not that much power there for the weight.

That said, there seem to be some really fast ones out there. If the car is like the one in bdking's timeslip, you are gonna be Bantha Fodder.
I'm also certain that there are not too many modded SL600's. Either way, I really think he has a chance to at LEAST make a good showing. He has the right attitude about it.
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 04:01 PM
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bantha fodder indeed! Like i mentioned, I would suspect that 411rwhp is very realistic... the thing is that its a turbo, thus If someone has spent alot of time with just a tune on this engine.. adding some more fuel and turning up the boost its gonna get really fast really quick! alot of these TT imports like the 335i have been detuned from the factory.. purposesly leaned out so that they pass california smog..
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Just talked to Sean at Orange County Corvettes and he mentioned they just baselined a SL600: 411RWHP. My car baselined 355 bone stock on that dyno. So there is not that much power there for the weight.

That said, there seem to be some really fast ones out there. If the car is like the one in bdking's timeslip, you are gonna be Bantha Fodder.

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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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no its bone stock with all the do dads

Based on that dyno pull, I would have a higher hp to wt ratio.

Hmmmmm....Curious what the torque #s were.

Will practice launches this evening. I dont know about you other A6ers out there, but if I can hang with him in 1st out of the hole, he aint pull'n me in 2nd. 2nd seems very strong on my car. The rest ???? Wish I had a Z06!!
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bdking57
sl600 with a renntec tune... pick up damn 5mph just from a tune!


Here's the dyno on the same car.....
522Hp and 716 ftlbs of torque....
Mercs are faster then they look !!!



http://www.dragtimes.com/2004-Merced...aphs-7653.html
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 04:48 PM
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...86.html?page=3

This article is a few years old, but has the SL600 changed since then? I now say the C6 with headers will win, but only from a dig.
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 05:02 PM
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Its the same car. Maybe while he is spinning his tires in 1st and 2nd, Im digg'n in.
That write up speaks for how good it is, It is fast AND quiet. The turbos probably keep the exhaust note subdued. I bet you have to be a better driver than on my car to get the performance out of it if it roasts tires that easily.

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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 05:09 PM
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My best friend has an SL55 AMG, and an '02 Z06, catback only mod. I raced both of his cars and beat them, then I drove his Z06 against his SL55 and it was pretty even. I had him down low, but mid range to WOT, it was pretty close.

The MB took 1 pass and Z06 took 1. We didnt have the ability to go 2 for 3 at the time.

I'm thinking it may be close, as long as he can launch the MB out of the hole. Its tough to control out of the pocket. I guess the same applies to the vette driver...but the vette is much easier to launch without excessive wheel spin.

Let us know how you do.
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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I hate to say it but the Vette will get spanked. I've had the opportunity to drive many TT V-12's in SL's, CL's and S's in MBZ, Brabus, AMG and Rentech and the slowest of them will flatten your eyeballs. They are EXCEEDINGLY fast and easy to drive. The traction control on the Mercedes is light years ahead of ours... There is simply just no comparison. They'll spank us from a roll, out of the hole, in reverse or however you want to do it. The MBZ feels like it's machined from a giant billet of titanium. That's why they start at 140K and go up from there.

I love my Vette but am realistic about what I own. I drive a 50k car and, sure, I could get a couple more cars for the base price of a MBZ... But there's a kid out there running a 84 CRX that does 11's who thinks I'm a dick for owning a Vette cause his car is fast and for the same money he could have his Honda, an 89 Chevy 1500 to tow it around with and a 92 Camry to drop his kids off at the ex's after his weekend visitation... It's all relative to what your wallet can handle.

PS The Vette is more fun on a mountain road though...
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 03:59 PM
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Well said Shockwave.

But i have to try. Spanking is relative. One man's swat is anothers beating. If I cant read his license plate then I got spanked. If I am a car and a half behind him I won in my book. I practiced the hell out of my launches last night. Everyone loves an underdog-right? LOL
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Originally Posted by bdking57
this is like comparing the ultimate sl vs the entry corvette...Any type of decent tuning, and that benz will be practically unbeatable.. imagine, V12 TT on meth injection.. probably would hit almost 700rwhp with basically everything else stock.
Well yeah, it actually IS comparing one of the ultimate SLs to the entry level Corvette, not sure what that has to do with anything though.
And yes, a properly modded SL600 will have knkali facing an almost certain losing battle but this SL is stock.


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But i have to try. Spanking is relative. One man's swat is anothers beating. If I cant read his license plate then I got spanked.
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Originally Posted by bdking57
sl600 with a renntec tune... pick up damn 5mph just from a tune!



1.5 seconds @ 60' mark!! That's some hooking up for stock tires!
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DSOMC6
1.5 seconds @ 60' mark!! That's some hooking up for stock tires!
Is it known for sure that this car was still on street tires?
And it's all relative...with only 335rwhp I pulled a 1.58 sixty foot (on drag radials) in my Z28. Of course it weighed over 1100 pounds less than that SL.
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 04:50 PM
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only point is.. I wouldnt worry to much about a losing. bottom line, the z would toast this car just like our regular c6 should do pretty well against the sl500

Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Well yeah, it actually IS comparing one of the ultimate SLs to the entry level Corvette, not sure what that has to do with anything though.
And yes, a properly modded SL600 will have knkali facing an almost certain losing battle but this SL is stock.


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Am I wrong thinking that an SL600 is about the same performance as an SL55 AMG? I've driven the SL55 hard and I thought I could beat it with my C5.
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by robvuk
Am I wrong thinking that an SL600 is about the same performance as an SL55 AMG?
They're somewhat close I would think but the SL600 should still beat the slightly lighter SL55 in almost any straightline category.
The SL65 on the other hand....
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 05:30 PM
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im not really a fan of these cars.. I kinda like the bad *** benz like the E55 and some of the older ones, buts these cars just dont look mean at all.. I have seen a mercedes mclaren ... and well that trim was impressive!
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Basically yes. HP is identical. I think the TT (600) has more torque, and therefore more power under the curve.

Shockwave, I don't know about the SL, but I had no problem pulling on a CL600, and that was on a roll, in astock C6. They are not that fast. Let's remember that the CL is a 4,200 lb car and the SL is a "mere" 3,800.

------------------------------------- EDIT

OK guys I called Sean at Orange County Corvettes to be certain of my facts. The car I saw on the dyno was in fact an SL55, not the 600. Both cars make the same HP, but as I mention above, the 600 has more torque. The 55 dynoed 411HP and 469TQ and was bone stock. Sean owns both Vettes and an SL and believes that the SL600 will be a monster out of the hole, for three reasons: instant torque from boost, an air suspension that allows the car to squat + more tire compliance, and MBenz launch control, which is very effective. He says that if the Vette had better tires, it would be a more even contest, but he predicts you will just spin, especially if you have not practiced. From a roll, he says the C6 can get the Benz, which pretty much matches my experience.

Basically the Benz is a torque monster and a master at at launching. As Sean says: "even my grandpa can get a perfect launch in the SL."

KNKali - I can loan you my second wheelset with Nitto R2's...305 out back. You will hook & book.

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Originally Posted by TTRotary
Let's remember that the CL is a 4,200 lb car and the SL is a "mere" 3,800.
More than that, even the base (SL500/SL550) SLs weigh over 4000 pounds...the SL55, SL600 and SL65 weigh roughly 150+ more than that.



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Sean owns both Vettes and an SL and believes that the SL600 will be a monster out of the hole, for three reasons: instant torque from boost, an air suspension that allows the car to squat + more tire compliance, and MBenz launch control, which is very effective.
But again, let's not forget that extra 900 - 1000 pounds it's got to pull.



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KNKali - I can loan you my second wheelset with Nitto R2's...305 out back. You will hook & book.
True, but I would still do a strong burnout first to heat them up well.
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 07:36 PM
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I am confused, I read no rolling starts but Sean said do a rolling start. I have been working on my launches so............... I would prefer to get em at a roller say 25-30mph then hammer it. Frankly, thats when my car feels the strongest in full auto mode.

He is checking out the location Friday. Safe and Sane!
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Originally Posted by knkali
I am confused, I read no rolling starts but Sean said do a rolling start. I have been working on my launches so............... I would prefer to get em at a roller say 25-30mph then hammer it. Frankly, thats when my car feels the strongest in full auto mode.

He is checking out the location Friday. Safe and Sane!
Stick with the launch. He's got more HP and the added weight will not be as much of an issue at higher speeds. If you've been practicing those launches for maximum speed and minimal wheel spin, you'll have your best chance. Don't forget to practice those launches with the reduced rear tire pressure. 25lbs. Find the optimum rpm to hammer it from.
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