Vararam Vs Vortex Ram Air.....?
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St. Jude Donor '08
If the vortex times are 11.4 at 119 and the Vararam did a 11.5 at 121.It seems Vortex has the QUICKEST times.But, it seems the Vararam had the FASTEST times.ET's are a product of traction,weather and driving skill but, speed is an indicator of horsepower.So,the higher speed shows more power being generated.Am I missing something?
I think you are 100% on the money!!!!!!!!!!
Hell-oOOO C6 Tech 
As some of you know I just did some bolt ons, and tonite I had a chance to get down to Englishtown, NJ .....
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1856278
VARARAM
LG HEADERS W/HI-FLOW CATS
160 stat
Corvettes of Westchester tune by Chuck (the man is a Genius)
Port/polished TB (still waiting for the P&P intake to come in)
Bilstein shocks (made a diff at the launch)
08 C6 LS3 MN6 Z51 NPP
BTW- I have total of 10 passes in this car and 8 in an LS2, so in total my career
at the track 18 passes
Bone Stock Dyno was 392rwhp........will dyno the car with mods next week
my best bone stock on this car was a dissapointing 12.6@115 mph & 12.7 @114mph
here are my time slips...and pics to come later on
As some of you know I just did some bolt ons, and tonite I had a chance to get down to Englishtown, NJ .....
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1856278
VARARAM
LG HEADERS W/HI-FLOW CATS
160 stat
Corvettes of Westchester tune by Chuck (the man is a Genius)
Port/polished TB (still waiting for the P&P intake to come in)
Bilstein shocks (made a diff at the launch)
08 C6 LS3 MN6 Z51 NPP
BTW- I have total of 10 passes in this car and 8 in an LS2, so in total my career
at the track 18 passesBone Stock Dyno was 392rwhp........will dyno the car with mods next week
my best bone stock on this car was a dissapointing 12.6@115 mph & 12.7 @114mph
here are my time slips...and pics to come later on
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If the vortex times are 11.4 at 119 and the Vararam did a 11.5 at 121.It seems Vortex has the QUICKEST times.But, it seems the Vararam had the FASTEST times.ET's are a product of traction,weather and driving skill but, speed is an indicator of horsepower.So,the higher speed shows more power being generated.Am I missing something?
Melting Slicks
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You are missing the point. An automatic car will have less mph then a stick car. Was the 121 a stick car?
Ernie
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Melting Slicks
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Whoever thinks that an auto car will match the mph of a stick car needs to go back to school and not put in there 2 cents.
Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com
Ernie
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Whoever thinks that an auto car will match the mph of a stick car needs to go back to school and not put in there 2 cents.
Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com
Ernie
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I don't believe in comparing between products by the best time on the track until it's the same car, driver and time of test.
The question is, vararam has an air scope for collecting air, vortex has a large opening for air collecting, both of them collect the air before the radiator, so technically vortex will collect more cold air than vararam.
It mean’s better breathing, better performance.
So what about using normal open filter CAI with an air scope ?
It will give even more air to be collected, this is my plan, and it’s the same one that vette-air have.
The question is, vararam has an air scope for collecting air, vortex has a large opening for air collecting, both of them collect the air before the radiator, so technically vortex will collect more cold air than vararam.
It mean’s better breathing, better performance.
So what about using normal open filter CAI with an air scope ?
It will give even more air to be collected, this is my plan, and it’s the same one that vette-air have.
Drifting
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From: DELRAY BEACH FLORIDA
St. Jude Donor '10-'13
I don't believe in comparing between products by the best time on the track until it's the same car, driver and time of test.
The question is, vararam has an air scope for collecting air, vortex has a large opening for air collecting, both of them collect the air before the radiator, so technically vortex will collect more cold air than vararam.
It mean’s better breathing, better performance.
So what about using normal open filter CAI with an air scope ?
It will give even more air to be collected, this is my plan, and it’s the same one that vette-air have.
The question is, vararam has an air scope for collecting air, vortex has a large opening for air collecting, both of them collect the air before the radiator, so technically vortex will collect more cold air than vararam.
It mean’s better breathing, better performance.
So what about using normal open filter CAI with an air scope ?
It will give even more air to be collected, this is my plan, and it’s the same one that vette-air have.
Instructor
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From: Dubai Dubai
this is what I will do, waiting to spare some cash
I am hesitated to by the vararam after I heard about the quality issue.
I can't take the chance especially that I have an open MAF.
and the vortix is exxxxxxxxxxxxpensive.
I am hesitated to by the vararam after I heard about the quality issue.
I can't take the chance especially that I have an open MAF.
and the vortix is exxxxxxxxxxxxpensive.
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Whoever thinks that an auto car will match the mph of a stick car needs to go back to school and not put in there 2 cents.
Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com
Ernie
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Perhaps YOUR LS3 car had a hotter tune, better driver, better track, better DA.....yet your claim it's thanks to your intake it's the fastest bolt-on car.
Here's the bottom line, the Vararam equiped car is making MORE power by that 121 trap vs the bp car with it's 119 trap. Vararam has the highest trap.
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From: Southampton NJ
Well now your gonna change things around to suit your argument. I can point out how auto cars have trapped equal to or higher then similar stick cars, just check out the C6 1/4 list.
Perhaps YOUR LS3 car had a hotter tune, better driver, better track, better DA.....yet your claim it's thanks to your intake it's the fastest bolt-on car.
Here's the bottom line, the Vararam equiped car is making MORE power by that 121 trap vs the bp car with it's 119 trap. Vararam has the highest trap.
Perhaps YOUR LS3 car had a hotter tune, better driver, better track, better DA.....yet your claim it's thanks to your intake it's the fastest bolt-on car.
Here's the bottom line, the Vararam equiped car is making MORE power by that 121 trap vs the bp car with it's 119 trap. Vararam has the highest trap.
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From: Seguin Texas
Whoever thinks that an auto car will match the mph of a stick car needs to go back to school and not put in there 2 cents.
Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com
Ernie
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Last edited by Fuego; Nov 10, 2007 at 08:02 PM.
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From: Objects in your mirror are losing , Long Island, NY
St. Jude Donor '08
Where is the proven fact you are referring to?
I think the problem people have with your allegation is "THE guy". You'd be better off stating a specific individual or thread, otherwise it sounds more like a rumor. I haven't heard of any CAI causing overheating problems, and if there was, with the nature of this board, I think a problem such as that would be so wide spread and reported, there would be multiple instance of such a condition and very easy to find specific references to. If it is a single person with a unique problem, it is not indicative of a product's shortcoming, especially if there are other factors involved that could cause it.
I have a friend that had his rear end casing fail and blow apart. He just happens to have a Vortex. Did the extra HP from the Vortex cause it's failure? No. He also ran too hot after he had the Vortex installed...even with his 160 thermostat. Was it the Vortex? No, his fan settings were wrong due to his tune. Would it be fair to blame Vortex? No.
Ernie and the guys at Breathless are proud of their product (as they should be, it is a great unit), just as Steve and the guys at Vararam are proud of theirs. I think anyone can look at the merits of each and make a great choice from them based on comparisons, their personal preferences and goals, especially if they use facts and not just rumors.
Ask any of the guys out in places like Vegas and Texas running CAIs...I haven't seen many (if any) overheating problems with C6's at all, never mind due to a CAI.
I think the problem people have with your allegation is "THE guy". You'd be better off stating a specific individual or thread, otherwise it sounds more like a rumor. I haven't heard of any CAI causing overheating problems, and if there was, with the nature of this board, I think a problem such as that would be so wide spread and reported, there would be multiple instance of such a condition and very easy to find specific references to. If it is a single person with a unique problem, it is not indicative of a product's shortcoming, especially if there are other factors involved that could cause it.
I have a friend that had his rear end casing fail and blow apart. He just happens to have a Vortex. Did the extra HP from the Vortex cause it's failure? No. He also ran too hot after he had the Vortex installed...even with his 160 thermostat. Was it the Vortex? No, his fan settings were wrong due to his tune. Would it be fair to blame Vortex? No.
Ernie and the guys at Breathless are proud of their product (as they should be, it is a great unit), just as Steve and the guys at Vararam are proud of theirs. I think anyone can look at the merits of each and make a great choice from them based on comparisons, their personal preferences and goals, especially if they use facts and not just rumors.
Ask any of the guys out in places like Vegas and Texas running CAIs...I haven't seen many (if any) overheating problems with C6's at all, never mind due to a CAI.
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Vararam > BPP
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3-4 tenths and 3 mph indicates a hp increase of around 40hp or so (at the wheels). Does anyone really believe any CAI really gives that much power? Personally, I think anyone who picks up that much has other factors at play. Also, consider that a CAI is not likely to have any effect on 60's times - so what are the 60' times of these increases?
If they truly have a ram air effect, almost all of the 1/4 mile difference would be after the 330 mark - do the time slips bear that out?
I really think a lot of these claims are fast a loose with the facts. Almost all of them have other mods done. And in almost all cases, track conditions could very well have changed.
I believe a CAI can increase hp some, but I think people need to be realistic about just how much is possible. The only thing it can do is lower the intake temp, and allow more air flow. Without other mods, the engine can only suck in so much air, and can only increase power as much as the change in intake temp allows.
Some of the increase claims are starting with 1/4 mile times that are pretty mediocre to begin with (on a stock car). When someone goes from pretty mediocre, to better - but still 3-4 tenths slower than many people have posted bone stock, it makes me question what really happened.
Sorry for my skepticism, but I just think some of the claims are very exagerated.
If they truly have a ram air effect, almost all of the 1/4 mile difference would be after the 330 mark - do the time slips bear that out?
I really think a lot of these claims are fast a loose with the facts. Almost all of them have other mods done. And in almost all cases, track conditions could very well have changed.
I believe a CAI can increase hp some, but I think people need to be realistic about just how much is possible. The only thing it can do is lower the intake temp, and allow more air flow. Without other mods, the engine can only suck in so much air, and can only increase power as much as the change in intake temp allows.
Some of the increase claims are starting with 1/4 mile times that are pretty mediocre to begin with (on a stock car). When someone goes from pretty mediocre, to better - but still 3-4 tenths slower than many people have posted bone stock, it makes me question what really happened.
Sorry for my skepticism, but I just think some of the claims are very exagerated.
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St. Jude Donor '08
Sounds like I hit a nerve.
I asked if I had missed something. I guess I did. You just lost a customer D!CKHEAD. With an attitude like that, the Corvette world will be better off w/o you and BPP. This is a public forum and if you don't like others questioning the "facts", then just shut the F@#$ up. Do you even own a Vette or just hock your **** here? CHODE.
I asked if I had missed something. I guess I did. You just lost a customer D!CKHEAD. With an attitude like that, the Corvette world will be better off w/o you and BPP. This is a public forum and if you don't like others questioning the "facts", then just shut the F@#$ up. Do you even own a Vette or just hock your **** here? CHODE.
Nice professional response. You use profanity to reply to his post. I guess the entire corvette community will look at this amazing post of yours, hold hands and never do business with BPP.
Based on all reports, both products bring proven performance to the table.Competition is what revolves our economy. So the choice between the two is purely a matter of taste for asthetics or just plain and simple $$$$.. Now go rinse your mouth with some IRISH SPRING, but then again there are lots of other soaps to use..
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not trying to muddy the water any more
but i am looking at buying a new intake for my 07C6
all good info i have read...
now how does the haltech stinger rank with these? similar unit? better? worse?
but i am looking at buying a new intake for my 07C6
all good info i have read...
now how does the haltech stinger rank with these? similar unit? better? worse?
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Wow Nice professional response. You use profanity to reply to his post. I guess the entire corvette community will look at this amazing post of yours, hold hands and never do business with BPP. Based on all reports, both products bring proven performance to the table.
Competition is what revolves our economy. So the choice between the two is purely a matter of taste for asthetics or just plain and simple $$$$.. Now go rinse your mouth with some IRISH SPRING, but then again there are lots of other soaps to use..
Nice professional response. You use profanity to reply to his post. I guess the entire corvette community will look at this amazing post of yours, hold hands and never do business with BPP. Based on all reports, both products bring proven performance to the table.Competition is what revolves our economy. So the choice between the two is purely a matter of taste for asthetics or just plain and simple $$$$.. Now go rinse your mouth with some IRISH SPRING, but then again there are lots of other soaps to use..
One, I should have been more professional. Two, I have neither system, made a valid response, and this is what I get? I asked if I had missed something, but I guess they guy from BPP didn't deem me worthy enough to correct my possible mistake. He instead became aggravated with my observation. Seems to me if BPP wants to sell these units THEY should try to be more professional to potential customers, especially when trying to validate their product. Three, I guess it's okay to badmouth someone, as you and BPP have shown, as long as you don't swear. By the way, I see YOU HAVE PROVIDED NOTHING to the discussion other than having a big mouth and being an internet tough guy, keyboard boxer, what have you. Mind your own business please, sir. Sorry to hijack the thread guys- back to topic.
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How much do you want for the vortex rammer?
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St. Jude Donor '08
Don't be so melodramatic! You should do am radio.
One, I should have been more professional. Two, I have neither system, made a valid response, and this is what I get? I asked if I had missed something, but I guess they guy from BPP didn't deem me worthy enough to correct my possible mistake. He instead became aggravated with my observation. Seems to me if BPP wants to sell these units THEY should try to be more professional to potential customers, especially when trying to validate their product. Three, I guess it's okay to badmouth someone, as you and BPP have shown, as long as you don't swear. By the way, I see YOU HAVE PROVIDED NOTHING to the discussion other than having a big mouth and being an internet tough guy, keyboard boxer, what have you. Mind your own business please, sir. Sorry to hijack the thread guys- back to topic.
One, I should have been more professional. Two, I have neither system, made a valid response, and this is what I get? I asked if I had missed something, but I guess they guy from BPP didn't deem me worthy enough to correct my possible mistake. He instead became aggravated with my observation. Seems to me if BPP wants to sell these units THEY should try to be more professional to potential customers, especially when trying to validate their product. Three, I guess it's okay to badmouth someone, as you and BPP have shown, as long as you don't swear. By the way, I see YOU HAVE PROVIDED NOTHING to the discussion other than having a big mouth and being an internet tough guy, keyboard boxer, what have you. Mind your own business please, sir. Sorry to hijack the thread guys- back to topic.
And for your info I have the Vortex Ram air (clear air box and carbon fiber elbow), and for what it's worth, I would never buy a Vararam for the simple fact that I Just don't like the quality or the looks of it, not that it's not functional, just not my cup of tea. I prefer the Vortex quality and asthetics period in addition, it Works ..Hope this internet tough guy brought something to the table.
BTW..do you even own a vette? Nice profile with Zero info..
Melting Slicks
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3-4 tenths and 3 mph indicates a hp increase of around 40hp or so (at the wheels). Does anyone really believe any CAI really gives that much power? Personally, I think anyone who picks up that much has other factors at play. Also, consider that a CAI is not likely to have any effect on 60's times - so what are the 60' times of these increases?
If they truly have a ram air effect, almost all of the 1/4 mile difference would be after the 330 mark - do the time slips bear that out?
I really think a lot of these claims are fast a loose with the facts. Almost all of them have other mods done. And in almost all cases, track conditions could very well have changed.
I believe a CAI can increase hp some, but I think people need to be realistic about just how much is possible. The only thing it can do is lower the intake temp, and allow more air flow. Without other mods, the engine can only suck in so much air, and can only increase power as much as the change in intake temp allows.
Some of the increase claims are starting with 1/4 mile times that are pretty mediocre to begin with (on a stock car). When someone goes from pretty mediocre, to better - but still 3-4 tenths slower than many people have posted bone stock, it makes me question what really happened.
Sorry for my skepticism, but I just think some of the claims are very exagerated.
If they truly have a ram air effect, almost all of the 1/4 mile difference would be after the 330 mark - do the time slips bear that out?
I really think a lot of these claims are fast a loose with the facts. Almost all of them have other mods done. And in almost all cases, track conditions could very well have changed.
I believe a CAI can increase hp some, but I think people need to be realistic about just how much is possible. The only thing it can do is lower the intake temp, and allow more air flow. Without other mods, the engine can only suck in so much air, and can only increase power as much as the change in intake temp allows.
Some of the increase claims are starting with 1/4 mile times that are pretty mediocre to begin with (on a stock car). When someone goes from pretty mediocre, to better - but still 3-4 tenths slower than many people have posted bone stock, it makes me question what really happened.
Sorry for my skepticism, but I just think some of the claims are very exagerated.
-- Dick