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Vararam Vs Vortex Ram Air.....?
Burning Brakes
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From: Seguin Texas
Melodramatic?Internet tough guy? keyboard boxer? How do you come up with such retort? Secondly, you have confused who the internet bully is here, just look at all the profanity you used, against another Forum member, did he use any profanity against you nOOb?
And for your info I have the Vortex Ram air (clear air box and carbon fiber elbow), and for what it's worth, I would never buy a Vararam for the simple fact that I Just don't like the quality or the looks of it, not that it's not functional, just not my cup of tea. I prefer the Vortex quality and asthetics period in addition, it Works ..Hope this internet tough guy brought something to the table.
BTW..do you even own a vette? Nice profile with Zero info..
And for your info I have the Vortex Ram air (clear air box and carbon fiber elbow), and for what it's worth, I would never buy a Vararam for the simple fact that I Just don't like the quality or the looks of it, not that it's not functional, just not my cup of tea. I prefer the Vortex quality and asthetics period in addition, it Works ..Hope this internet tough guy brought something to the table.
BTW..do you even own a vette? Nice profile with Zero info..
, at my comment. Sorry for not consulting my lawyer before posting. No wonder I don't put my info in a sig. I'm here to read about tech issues not argue internet etiquette. I should not have used profanity, when the potty mouth police were watching.
Safety Car
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From: Objects in your mirror are losing , Long Island, NY
St. Jude Donor '08
3-4 tenths and 3 mph indicates a hp increase of around 40hp or so (at the wheels). Does anyone really believe any CAI really gives that much power? Personally, I think anyone who picks up that much has other factors at play. Also, consider that a CAI is not likely to have any effect on 60's times - so what are the 60' times of these increases?
If they truly have a ram air effect, almost all of the 1/4 mile difference would be after the 330 mark - do the time slips bear that out?
I really think a lot of these claims are fast a loose with the facts. Almost all of them have other mods done. And in almost all cases, track conditions could very well have changed.
I believe a CAI can increase hp some, but I think people need to be realistic about just how much is possible. The only thing it can do is lower the intake temp, and allow more air flow. Without other mods, the engine can only suck in so much air, and can only increase power as much as the change in intake temp allows.
Some of the increase claims are starting with 1/4 mile times that are pretty mediocre to begin with (on a stock car). When someone goes from pretty mediocre, to better - but still 3-4 tenths slower than many people have posted bone stock, it makes me question what really happened.
Sorry for my skepticism, but I just think some of the claims are very exagerated.
If they truly have a ram air effect, almost all of the 1/4 mile difference would be after the 330 mark - do the time slips bear that out?
I really think a lot of these claims are fast a loose with the facts. Almost all of them have other mods done. And in almost all cases, track conditions could very well have changed.
I believe a CAI can increase hp some, but I think people need to be realistic about just how much is possible. The only thing it can do is lower the intake temp, and allow more air flow. Without other mods, the engine can only suck in so much air, and can only increase power as much as the change in intake temp allows.
Some of the increase claims are starting with 1/4 mile times that are pretty mediocre to begin with (on a stock car). When someone goes from pretty mediocre, to better - but still 3-4 tenths slower than many people have posted bone stock, it makes me question what really happened.
Sorry for my skepticism, but I just think some of the claims are very exagerated.
My SOTP feel with the Vortex was definitely noticible after 60mph on a hard launch, there after it was more evident in third and fourth gears to redline. Car felt a lot stronger thru mid band and redline, and it was a definite gain. I ran this set up for a few short months, and then came the 4.10's and the rest is well..So by doing minor mods in stages one can ascertain the gains without second guessing. I don't believe in full blown mods all at once unless I have an agenda at the track.
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From: Objects in your mirror are losing , Long Island, NY
St. Jude Donor '08
I have an '08. You still said nothing USEFUL( or even about the subject). Let him stick up for himself is what I meant about you being a tough guy.i.e. mind your own business. He aimed his "retort" , at my comment. Sorry for not consulting my lawyer before posting. No wonder I don't put my info in a sig. I'm here to read about tech issues not argue internet etiquette. I should not have used profanity, when the potty mouth police were watching.
, at my comment. Sorry for not consulting my lawyer before posting. No wonder I don't put my info in a sig. I'm here to read about tech issues not argue internet etiquette. I should not have used profanity, when the potty mouth police were watching. read post 102 and then say " I don't bring anything to the table." How about real experience..Nice profile BTW..What's your experience with the LS3?
Last edited by welcome2try; Nov 11, 2007 at 02:38 PM.
Team Owner
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My friend, I would like to share with you my experience with the Vortex ram air. I prefer to do one mod at a time to truely grasp any power increase one might gain from the SOTP feel. Before I went with cam and 4.10 gears. I started with basic mods as in 1.75 kooks, hi flo cats and cat back, being the first mods. I noticed a nice kick in the pants but not too much. The following week I installed the Vortex ram air.
My SOTP feel with the Vortex was definitely noticible after 60mph on a hard launch, there after it was more evident in third and fourth gears to redline. Car felt a lot stronger thru mid band and redline, and it was a definite gain. I ran this set up for a few short months, and then came the 4.10's and the rest is well..So by doing minor mods in stages one can ascertain the gains without second guessing. I don't believe in full blown mods all at once unless I have an agenda at the track.
My SOTP feel with the Vortex was definitely noticible after 60mph on a hard launch, there after it was more evident in third and fourth gears to redline. Car felt a lot stronger thru mid band and redline, and it was a definite gain. I ran this set up for a few short months, and then came the 4.10's and the rest is well..So by doing minor mods in stages one can ascertain the gains without second guessing. I don't believe in full blown mods all at once unless I have an agenda at the track.
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From: Objects in your mirror are losing , Long Island, NY
St. Jude Donor '08
Burning Brakes
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From: Seguin Texas
My profile will stay.
Burning Brakes
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From: Seguin Texas
It is reall difficult one to document the gains since cai's can't be dynoed for true hp gains, however one must conclude that if one gains .2 tenths on the 1/4 and 3 mph same day swap and same DA, that 40rwhp after 330 ft is possible. Maybe not all of it but 30rwhp for sure..
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From: Objects in your mirror are losing , Long Island, NY
St. Jude Donor '08
Last edited by welcome2try; Nov 12, 2007 at 09:05 PM.
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St. Jude Donor '07-'08-'09-'11-'12
Maybe one day, someone will volunteer their car, the vendors a few units, and there can be a back to back test and shoot out. That's the only way you'll ever truly know which one provides the "most" gains in a particular application.
In the end, maybe we can all agree that any CAI is better than no CAI, and which ever one fits your budget, your asthetics and your purpose...cut the shroud, bolt it on and get out there and drive the pants off the car, and may the winner be kind enough to buy a cold one for the loser....and no matter which one you choose, remember the vendors that come here to give us info and great service...they spend time in these threads instead of doing something else and they do deserve our support.
In the end, maybe we can all agree that any CAI is better than no CAI, and which ever one fits your budget, your asthetics and your purpose...cut the shroud, bolt it on and get out there and drive the pants off the car, and may the winner be kind enough to buy a cold one for the loser....and no matter which one you choose, remember the vendors that come here to give us info and great service...they spend time in these threads instead of doing something else and they do deserve our support.
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From: Southampton NJ
Maybe one day, someone will volunteer their car, the vendors a few units, and there can be a back to back test and shoot out. That's the only way you'll ever truly know which one provides the "most" gains in a particular application.
In the end, maybe we can all agree that any CAI is better than no CAI, and which ever one fits your budget, your asthetics and your purpose...cut the shroud, bolt it on and get out there and drive the pants off the car, and may the winner be kind enough to buy a cold one for the loser....and no matter which one you choose, remember the vendors that come here to give us info and great service...they spend time in these threads instead of doing something else and they do deserve our support.
In the end, maybe we can all agree that any CAI is better than no CAI, and which ever one fits your budget, your asthetics and your purpose...cut the shroud, bolt it on and get out there and drive the pants off the car, and may the winner be kind enough to buy a cold one for the loser....and no matter which one you choose, remember the vendors that come here to give us info and great service...they spend time in these threads instead of doing something else and they do deserve our support.
couldnt say it any better
Melting Slicks
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I have to agree with you also.
By the way the car that had the test done already had a Vetteair system and we still got 2 tenths faster, what would of happened if the car was stock?
Also sorry if I offended you but you should have asked if the top mph at the end of the 1/4 was the same for both a stick or a auto car and not just stated the 121 was a faster car. Auto car et and mph should be held seperate from stick cars. By the way I did not call you names for what you said why would you attack us. Facts have to be correct on this forum. Oh and I do own 3 Corvettes which includes a full blown race car. If you like you can visit my myspace and see the cars I own and develop products for. We put 9 years in this industry designing products, Programming and racing. Our customers that have visited our facility or used our products will vouch for our high quality standards.
I still have no hard feelings for what you said and still invite you to visit or even call me to to go over any products in detail.
Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com
By the way the car that had the test done already had a Vetteair system and we still got 2 tenths faster, what would of happened if the car was stock?
Also sorry if I offended you but you should have asked if the top mph at the end of the 1/4 was the same for both a stick or a auto car and not just stated the 121 was a faster car. Auto car et and mph should be held seperate from stick cars. By the way I did not call you names for what you said why would you attack us. Facts have to be correct on this forum. Oh and I do own 3 Corvettes which includes a full blown race car. If you like you can visit my myspace and see the cars I own and develop products for. We put 9 years in this industry designing products, Programming and racing. Our customers that have visited our facility or used our products will vouch for our high quality standards.
I still have no hard feelings for what you said and still invite you to visit or even call me to to go over any products in detail.
Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com
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From: Southampton NJ
I have to agree with you also.
By the way the car that had the test done already had a Vetteair system and we still got 2 tenths faster, what would of happened if the car was stock?
Also sorry if I offended you but you should have asked if the top mph at the end of the 1/4 was the same for both a stick or a auto car and not just stated the 121 was a faster car. Auto car et and mph should be held seperate from stick cars. By the way I did not call you names for what you said why would you attack us. Facts have to be correct on this forum. Oh and I do own 3 Corvettes which includes a full blown race car. If you like you can visit my myspace and see the cars I own and develop products for. We put 9 years in this industry designing products, Programming and racing. Our customers that have visited our facility or used our products will vouch for our high quality standards.
I still have no hard feelings for what you said and still invite you to visit or even call me to to go over any products in detail.
Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com
By the way the car that had the test done already had a Vetteair system and we still got 2 tenths faster, what would of happened if the car was stock?
Also sorry if I offended you but you should have asked if the top mph at the end of the 1/4 was the same for both a stick or a auto car and not just stated the 121 was a faster car. Auto car et and mph should be held seperate from stick cars. By the way I did not call you names for what you said why would you attack us. Facts have to be correct on this forum. Oh and I do own 3 Corvettes which includes a full blown race car. If you like you can visit my myspace and see the cars I own and develop products for. We put 9 years in this industry designing products, Programming and racing. Our customers that have visited our facility or used our products will vouch for our high quality standards.
I still have no hard feelings for what you said and still invite you to visit or even call me to to go over any products in detail.
Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com
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St. Jude Donor '07-'08-'09-'10-'12-'13-'14
I gotta tell ya......
I gotta tell ya..... I have personally REMOVED over 100 "other competitors" air intake systems to upgrade them to the VARARAM.
Most every customer I've done this for believed that there was an improvement over what they had previously.
If you're NOT in the market for a VARARAM...Jump on EBAY cause after I remove the "other brand intakes" I always suggest that the customer s sell them on E-bay to recoup some of their money.
I could use ANY air intake on the market for the customers at my shop.....
Bottom Line is that I will NEVER sell or install anything but a VARARAM!
It's that GOOD!
Chuck CoW
Melting Slicks
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From: Fort Lauderdale Fl
I gotta tell ya..... I have personally REMOVED over 100 "other competitors" air intake systems to upgrade them to the VARARAM.
Most every customer I've done this for believed that there was an improvement over what they had previously.
If you're NOT in the market for a VARARAM...Jump on EBAY cause after I remove the "other brand intakes" I always suggest that the customer s sell them on E-bay to recoup some of their money.
I could use ANY air intake on the market for the customers at my shop.....
Bottom Line is that I will NEVER sell or install anything but a VARARAM!
It's that GOOD!
Chuck CoW
Most every customer I've done this for believed that there was an improvement over what they had previously.
If you're NOT in the market for a VARARAM...Jump on EBAY cause after I remove the "other brand intakes" I always suggest that the customer s sell them on E-bay to recoup some of their money.
I could use ANY air intake on the market for the customers at my shop.....
Bottom Line is that I will NEVER sell or install anything but a VARARAM!
It's that GOOD!
Chuck CoW
Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com
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No need to be sorry...we all want to know the good and bad. When I have a customer ask me "What do you think?", if there is a caveat, I want to be able to advise him of it. This forum is a great real time quality control dept when used right....if only GM would listen more closely..
Thanks for posting the link.
Thanks for posting the link.
I have been reading this thread on the CAI and wanted to add a personal experience:
I have the Vortex in my C6.
Last summer I got caught (don’t ask LOL) in one of the hurricane weather systems while in the Vette. The rain was literally shaking the car it was coming down so hard and the lightning basically never stopped - two to three bolts simultaneously about every 5 seconds or so. Scared the crap out of me I am will admit.
I finally had to pull over since I could not see the road just in front of the nose of the car it was raining so hard. I just prayed I would not get slammed into from the rear.
The Vortex ran great and even in all that, I had not one water issue in my engine.
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St. Jude Donor '08
One feature that I like about the Vortex Cai with their clear set up, is that I can see the filter easily and observe if there are any debris present that may have been sucked in to hamper performance or a possible blockage inside the air box or the filter, without opening the air box.