Other than this one...

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/drag-r...1-78-bump.html

...there doesn't seem to be a place where it's actually explicitly written out like there used to be.
But to be honest with you, asking 'what bolt ons are' or asking 'what a bolt on car is' is akin to asking 'how many cylinders a Corvette comes with'. It's simply that well known and universally obvious to those who race over there.

 

The LS3 car you posted about doesn't have tha exact mods.
Some of us know that the 60ft means a lot in drag racing. The fact that he runs high 10s is great, that's what the car should run. I was just saying that because of his setup it runs great numbers. And without that 60ft it wouldn't look so cool. Many guys like myself make more power, but we are not setup to run the fastest ET in the 1/4 mile.

I get your TRUE stock car stuff. The line has been drawn on the strick side.

 

Can't blame ya there, enjoy.

 

It's actually impossible for an LS3 to even have the exact same mods, the LS3 automatics only come with the 6L80/A6 trans and Dennis's LS2 has the 4L65/A4 trans.
Different motors. Different transmissions. Different gears. Different animals.

Regardless of all that, until a 'bolt ons only' LS3 car runs a 10.90 or quicker then Dennis's car IS the quickest 'bolt ons only' C6, period.
But perhaps we should maybe let the bolt on LS3s get out of the 11.3s first before we start handing out trophies, ok?

 

if you look at the link to the bolt on rules ls1lt1 posted.
you will see that of all the lsx bolt on cars i the highest mph, and even with that said, some have better ets.
if you do get a better et connect it to a higher mph on the same run, or connect your higher mph to a better et.
the point is mph doesn't mater in a 1/4 race et does.
yes i know you want your LS3 to beat me because your last two LS2s couldn't even in power adder trim. i don't blame you for your hopes or dreams, but really, where's the pride the accomplishment, you took a bigger motor with more power to beat a smaller one now that's truly impressive
isn't part of drag racing the 60 ft. don't you think these guys are trying to get the best 60 ft they can, and thanks for acknowledging the facts that the car should run 10s, most think its impossible, wait for my next time

 

OK let me stir the pot a bit...

Her'es a dyno sheet of my car with cutouts open vs closed, with the cursor at 3k. I don't know if the extra 5-6 rwhp makes a difference or not. Note that I have QTP cutouts but the 6 rwhp is pretty consistent with the NPP cutouts. Of course my car is modded and my cutouts didn't have much of an effect when my car was bolt on only...

 

I ran an 11.0 last night with a bone stock 08!! do I top the stock list?


Oh wait, dammit! I swapped the valve caps on the rims to shiny chrome ones. Never mind

(sorry, I just had too)

 

Sensitive maybe?

I stand by what I said. If you're really such a hard core racer you know what I said is basically true, some people lie when it comes to mods when it gets competitive, whether on the track or street. Whether or not you fall into that category is up to you, I really could not care less. And if it makes you feel any better, I disregard any times out of ATCO too as the weather conditions there, on average, are so far out of the norm for the rest of the country as to render it a freak of nature.

BTW, if you really think your car is that fast, come run out here in phoenix some time and see what it'll really do. lol

 

Mr. D I own a 06 vette now, I loved the LS3 though. Good luck with your times. LS3s will outrun you, it is a matter of time. You know they will, because you seem to be a smart guy. Enjoy the time you have as # 1 while you can. Because if anyone with a few bucks and a LS3 corvette goes for your title it will not be that hard to do at a good track and proper parts. I already proved Mr LS1LT1 wrong back when he was #1 on the stock list, whenhe said he will be #1 for a long time. That the LS3 would be hard pressed to outrun his time. I believe he is covered by almost half a second, he will slowly faid off the list all together with time. And so would you if we had guys that liked to do the serious bolt on thing to an 08 C6 or newer. But Like in my case it's to easy to throw a blower on and make 600+ horsepower.

And my Little LS2 went 10.99 with the street tires, It would be as simple as putting tires on my car to outrun you. But I have tracked this car twice since I have had it, It's not made to run the 1/4 mile. If it was I would be cutting sub 1.45 60fts. I drive it everyday, kind of funny that you pointed out your corvette was faster than mine.
Another thing Mr. D, why do you always point out the obvious that the LS3 is bigger? Is it really? Maybe that's why the 08 and newer car is faster? You have made a great accomplishment with your car, just don't go coparing it to a LS3. Because you atre not in their league mod for mod. I know you could take a LS3 car and make it faster than the one you have now.

 

No wonder I couldn't find what no longer exists.

So this is it?
*Bolt on's ONLY. Stock internals motor, intake to oil pan, stock long block (as it came from GM). LS6/LSx style intake swaps allowed.

Sounds to me like complying 100% means just don't open the motor, excluding the intake. Everything else is fair game. Considering the race weight request, I assume that's for reference only and there is unlimited weight reduction allowed. i.e. Not bolt-ON, but UN-bolt.

To those who have not yet raced "over there" it is obviously not "well known", otherwise the question was not needed.

BTW, the first Vette I ever rode in was a '55 with a 6 (six) cylinder engine.

 

yes the rules are that simple

 

yes of course i pointed it out. you had 600 hp and i still beat your best time, ecs has the heads and cam record c6 LS3 i will come very close to that time, so the LS3 has showed me nothing, don't you think the guys in 2nd and third place have tried an a6 and m6 and if you believe that andrew ran that time stock your a fool, you are just backing him because its an LS3. he hasn't backed it up, and only beat it by 1/100th with mods and tune and different tires, i was at a rental with him with mods tires and tuning every race and the best was 11.8s-12.8s, but enough about what i did or he did or someone else is going to do, show me what you have done, with both your LS2s and your LS3 and with what mods, and i would just love to hear the fairy tale about the sub 1.45 60 fts please just do it once.

 

Here is Dennis50nj`s timeslip.



Here is Dennis`s video too!
http://www.cartek.net/videos/dennis1091.wmv

 

If you do not mind me asking...why did you switchback to the LS2 from the LS3? Its the first I ever heard of that on these forums.
Maybe you are starting a trend. You were talking up how the LS3 is the King, yet your ride now is the LS2. So do you now concur that the LS2 RULZ?

 

Anybody have a picture of a cat riding a bicycle?

 

Tommyd! please add this time to the list. it was on oct 23 2008 the da was about-300 i had frankie kobun and cameron welcometotry check the car inside and out and you were witness. i figure it should be posted to give an accurate accounting of the cars progress. the 60 ft. was 1.477 et 10.911 mph 124.14

 

Congrats Dennis!

Nothing like competing against yourself on the list!

 

If I was setting my car up to run ETs it would cut sub 1.45 60fts. I make 450rwtq at 2000 rpm lol. Sorry if that was unclear in my previous post. What I am saying is that the list will all be LS3 cars in the stock class eventually. I was just about Andrews’s car because it’s what and LS3 is capable of. Hell did you see Jetstreams 60ft when he went 12.05, it was a high 1.97 60ft. With better track prep and a 1.7X 60ft that is an 11.80 run, no LS2 could ever do that stock.
I AM NOT BIASED TO LS2 OR LS3, I'M JUST STATING A SIMPLE FACT THAT THE LS3 VETTE IS BETTER. Come on man I sold my LS3 car for another LS2. As I said before D, I'm not taking anything away from you car because it's awesome. But you need to quit taking away from the LS3 vettes with your comments, because they are faster with equal mods. Not taking a shot at you, just the way it is.

I sold by bolt on LS3 (headers, tune, electric pump were the only mods, 1.87 60ft with 11.70 1/4) that was on its way to being the fastest bolt on C6. I sold it because I was 24 years old and even though I put down 10 grand I had a car payment of $1200. I realized after 7 months I should have probably bought a C6 with a little smaller price tag. With that said I learned that you should buy corvettes used. I had to buy to brand new ones before I learned that lesson. The next corvette I buy will be a 08 or newer, and it will be used.

 

Ok, if that is true than some physics can go into play here and you can see that the LS3 corvettes are faster. Jetstream is a perfect example, ET is in the 60ft. And if you can manage to 60ft a LS3 vette it will always outrun the LS2 vette. I don't understand what you guys problems are. Were is the hang up?

 

For the same reason many are, it's entirely based on word. HPTuners, those with actual knowledge of how the innards of the PCM works and a solid understanding of computers said that the method used would entirely revert it back to stock.

If something so simple can make a run questioned then I've got posts from another forum of someone on the bolt on list asking about nitrous, surely that should exclude them from the list as well? It makes about as much sense.