M40 Laser Jammer
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I totally understand and I'm just sharing b/c ignorance of the law I.E. what you say when the ofc. asks you about it can get you into trouble. The statute defines radar as "any device emitting a radar freguency, laser targeting, or microwaves to determine the speed of any motor vehicle". So yes, laser jammers DO fall under this catorgory. So do not go and blurt it out when the ofc. asks why he couldn't target your vehicle!!! Many ofc's have gotten away from the true purpose of traffic enforcement..... to prevent traffic crashes and fatalities and to serve as legal grounds to search a vehicle for narcotics. Its a shame
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Laser jamming is legal (to date, or last time I checked!)- light waves are not yet regulated. The reason radar jamming is illegal in the US is the FCC controls the radio airwaves and the jammer is an unlicensed transmitter sending out white noise on the regulated frequencies.
Radar jammers are available though, so for the UAE you may be ok. (but check first, I'd hate to be in any jail, let alone in the mid-east!)
Radar jammers are available though, so for the UAE you may be ok. (but check first, I'd hate to be in any jail, let alone in the mid-east!)
Last edited by 68sixspeed; Feb 2, 2009 at 10:00 PM.
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So these radar/laser jammers really work? I have heard that they didn't work and were gimmicks on TV news. How would they catch you using this kind of equipment?
Anything is legal as long as you don't get caught.
Anything is legal as long as you don't get caught.
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From: UAE / DUBAI
Laser jamming is legal (to date, or last time I checked!)- light waves are not yet regulated. The reason radar jamming is illegal in the US is the FCC controls the radio airwaves and the jammer is an unlicensed transmitter sending out white noise on the regulated frequencies.
Radar jammers are available though, so for the UAE you may be ok. (but check first, I'd hate to be in any jail, let alone in the mid-east!)
Radar jammers are available though, so for the UAE you may be ok. (but check first, I'd hate to be in any jail, let alone in the mid-east!)
do u know where i can get one
( i will give it a try)
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I'll answer a couple questions and throw a little informative out there for you guys.1. Radar I.e. K, KA, etc is rarely used, its easily defeated in court unless traffic is very sparse or a myriad of other factors are on the LEO's side. We pretty much all use laser. When we use a laser we look through a scope and put cross hairs on the front of your bumper and pull the trigger and wait for the device to "lock". If it does not lock as in the case of a laser jammer, you can still be cited and you may incur additional fines and further repurcussions, due to the fact that devices that interfere with our devices are illegal in every state I know of. That being said if you are going 85-90 in a 70 mph zone and traffic is doing 75-80 are we likely to go after you assuming you have a jammer??? NO. If you are doing 110 or so, yes, and we are trained to be able to gauge your speed within 5 mph by eyesight and it will be upheld in court. Just FYI. I will also say that I have never cited a corvette driver as they have always followed the golden rules. That being said I no longer work in an agency that enforces traffic. We are a little higher on the ladder. I don't like bothering honest hardworking tax payers.
Also, radar is not that easily defeated in court especially if an officer is well experienced and educated on it's use. My department is in NVa and a lot of agencies around here still use radar. I have seen many cases in court where people are convicted by use of radar. Most judges are wise to all of the so called internet "get out of speeding ticket strategies" too so you take your chances trying one of them.
I'm not trying to preach about speeding I just want everyone to understand that it is still out there and you can be caught by it. I use a V1 off duty and it works well for radar but I have no idea if the laser jammers work.
BTW I always give Vette owners a break unless they are sh!tty to me.
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First, please understand I'm not trying to start an argument here but some of your information is misleading. Radar i.e. K,Ka is still very much used depending on what area you are in. LIDAR, i.e. laser units, are very expensive and have some limitations in their use (you have to be stationary, very steady, and no obstructions). Some agencies also can't afford or choose not to replace all of their radar units for Lidar units because of the expense, training etc.
Also, radar is not that easily defeated in court especially if an officer is well experienced and educated on it's use. My department is in NVa and a lot of agencies around here still use radar. I have seen many cases in court where people are convicted by use of radar. Most judges are wise to all of the so called internet "get out of speeding ticket strategies" too so you take your chances trying one of them.
I'm not trying to preach about speeding I just want everyone to understand that it is still out there and you can be caught by it. I use a V1 off duty and it works well for radar but I have no idea if the laser jammers work.
BTW I always give Vette owners a break unless they are sh!tty to me.
Also, radar is not that easily defeated in court especially if an officer is well experienced and educated on it's use. My department is in NVa and a lot of agencies around here still use radar. I have seen many cases in court where people are convicted by use of radar. Most judges are wise to all of the so called internet "get out of speeding ticket strategies" too so you take your chances trying one of them.
I'm not trying to preach about speeding I just want everyone to understand that it is still out there and you can be caught by it. I use a V1 off duty and it works well for radar but I have no idea if the laser jammers work.
BTW I always give Vette owners a break unless they are sh!tty to me.
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First, please understand I'm not trying to start an argument here but some of your information is misleading. Radar i.e. K,Ka is still very much used depending on what area you are in. LIDAR, i.e. laser units, are very expensive and have some limitations in their use (you have to be stationary, very steady, and no obstructions). Some agencies also can't afford or choose not to replace all of their radar units for Lidar units because of the expense, training etc.
Also, radar is not that easily defeated in court especially if an officer is well experienced and educated on it's use. My department is in NVa and a lot of agencies around here still use radar. I have seen many cases in court where people are convicted by use of radar. Most judges are wise to all of the so called internet "get out of speeding ticket strategies" too so you take your chances trying one of them.
I'm not trying to preach about speeding I just want everyone to understand that it is still out there and you can be caught by it. I use a V1 off duty and it works well for radar but I have no idea if the laser jammers work.
BTW I always give Vette owners a break unless they are sh!tty to me.
Also, radar is not that easily defeated in court especially if an officer is well experienced and educated on it's use. My department is in NVa and a lot of agencies around here still use radar. I have seen many cases in court where people are convicted by use of radar. Most judges are wise to all of the so called internet "get out of speeding ticket strategies" too so you take your chances trying one of them.
I'm not trying to preach about speeding I just want everyone to understand that it is still out there and you can be caught by it. I use a V1 off duty and it works well for radar but I have no idea if the laser jammers work.
BTW I always give Vette owners a break unless they are sh!tty to me.
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From: Florida
Just to be clear:
Radar jammers (regulated by the FCC) are illegal, period. Federal law. Big penalties and possibly jail for possessing such a device.
Laser or LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) is regulated by the FDA. Laser jammers, a modified emmitter of laser light, are perfectly legal under federal law. A laser pointer is just as legal as a laser jammer. Some states, including good 'ol California, fearing loss of ticket revenue after sppending big money on LIDAR guns ($2,500 a pop), have passed laws that would make laser jammers illegal in the state. This state law was just challenged in circuit court, and lost on the basis that federal law supersedes it, and that the device could not be proven to have had intent to jam.
Like GreenTahoe says, it is almost impossible to defeat a LIDAR ticket. That is because it is vehicle specific and the gun takes a picture of the car along with the readout. Game over.
It is also impossible for the officer to prove the gun was jammed, even if the state law had any validity. All the officer sees is a 3sec. delay in obtainng a speed readout, after which they will get a speed reading. Regardless of how fast they think the car is or was going, the only thing they can use is the speed readout given by their gun. The rest don't count.
The M40 / M20 is very effective. But the 3 sec and 600ft of travel it buys you is not a lot of time to react and get the car slowed down. LIDAR guns can get a speed lock on a car at about 1,200 feet. The power of the gun overcomes the jammer at about 600 ft. And no, your Corvette won't deflect the beam. That is because the LIDAR equipment receives it's strongest signal from the headlamp reflectors. As luck would have it, the projector beams on the C6 are particularly effective at refocusing and returning the beam to the gun.
Radar jammers (regulated by the FCC) are illegal, period. Federal law. Big penalties and possibly jail for possessing such a device.
Laser or LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) is regulated by the FDA. Laser jammers, a modified emmitter of laser light, are perfectly legal under federal law. A laser pointer is just as legal as a laser jammer. Some states, including good 'ol California, fearing loss of ticket revenue after sppending big money on LIDAR guns ($2,500 a pop), have passed laws that would make laser jammers illegal in the state. This state law was just challenged in circuit court, and lost on the basis that federal law supersedes it, and that the device could not be proven to have had intent to jam.
Like GreenTahoe says, it is almost impossible to defeat a LIDAR ticket. That is because it is vehicle specific and the gun takes a picture of the car along with the readout. Game over.
It is also impossible for the officer to prove the gun was jammed, even if the state law had any validity. All the officer sees is a 3sec. delay in obtainng a speed readout, after which they will get a speed reading. Regardless of how fast they think the car is or was going, the only thing they can use is the speed readout given by their gun. The rest don't count.
The M40 / M20 is very effective. But the 3 sec and 600ft of travel it buys you is not a lot of time to react and get the car slowed down. LIDAR guns can get a speed lock on a car at about 1,200 feet. The power of the gun overcomes the jammer at about 600 ft. And no, your Corvette won't deflect the beam. That is because the LIDAR equipment receives it's strongest signal from the headlamp reflectors. As luck would have it, the projector beams on the C6 are particularly effective at refocusing and returning the beam to the gun.
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Just to be clear:
Radar jammers (regulated by the FCC) are illegal, period. Federal law. Big penalties and possibly jail for possessing such a device.
Laser or LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) is regulated by the FDA. Laser jammers, a modified emmitter of laser light, are perfectly legal under federal law. A laser pointer is just as legal as a laser jammer. Some states, including good 'ol California, fearing loss of ticket revenue after sppending big money on LIDAR guns ($2,500 a pop), have passed laws that would make laser jammers illegal in the state. This state law was just challenged in circuit court, and lost on the basis that federal law supersedes it, and that the device could not be proven to have had intent to jam.
Like GreenTahoe says, it is almost impossible to defeat a LIDAR ticket. That is because it is vehicle specific and the gun takes a picture of the car along with the readout. Game over.
Radar jammers (regulated by the FCC) are illegal, period. Federal law. Big penalties and possibly jail for possessing such a device.
Laser or LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) is regulated by the FDA. Laser jammers, a modified emmitter of laser light, are perfectly legal under federal law. A laser pointer is just as legal as a laser jammer. Some states, including good 'ol California, fearing loss of ticket revenue after sppending big money on LIDAR guns ($2,500 a pop), have passed laws that would make laser jammers illegal in the state. This state law was just challenged in circuit court, and lost on the basis that federal law supersedes it, and that the device could not be proven to have had intent to jam.
Like GreenTahoe says, it is almost impossible to defeat a LIDAR ticket. That is because it is vehicle specific and the gun takes a picture of the car along with the readout. Game over.
Last edited by GREENTAHOE; Feb 4, 2009 at 12:43 AM.
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No arguement here, just sharing my info and experiences. Every agency is different and the difference in state law can be vast. In the area I worked we rarely used radar as the judges were very liberal. Laser is open and close and near impossible to defeat in court. As I said I work in a different capacity now. As I stated we work different areas and may use traffic as a means to an end, so we need to be sure that the legality of the initial stop is iron clad or all subsequent findings and charges are dropped. No matter what precaution you take, if you speed you take a chance.
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From: San Francisco CA
Just to be clear:
Radar jammers (regulated by the FCC) are illegal, period. Federal law. Big penalties and possibly jail for possessing such a device.
Laser or LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) is regulated by the FDA. Laser jammers, a modified emmitter of laser light, are perfectly legal under federal law. A laser pointer is just as legal as a laser jammer. Some states, including good 'ol California, fearing loss of ticket revenue after sppending big money on LIDAR guns ($2,500 a pop), have passed laws that would make laser jammers illegal in the state. This state law was just challenged in circuit court, and lost on the basis that federal law supersedes it, and that the device could not be proven to have had intent to jam.
Like GreenTahoe says, it is almost impossible to defeat a LIDAR ticket. That is because it is vehicle specific and the gun takes a picture of the car along with the readout. Game over.
It is also impossible for the officer to prove the gun was jammed, even if the state law had any validity. All the officer sees is a 3sec. delay in obtainng a speed readout, after which they will get a speed reading. Regardless of how fast they think the car is or was going, the only thing they can use is the speed readout given by their gun. The rest don't count.
The M40 / M20 is very effective. But the 3 sec and 600ft of travel it buys you is not a lot of time to react and get the car slowed down. LIDAR guns can get a speed lock on a car at about 1,200 feet. The power of the gun overcomes the jammer at about 600 ft. And no, your Corvette won't deflect the beam. That is because the LIDAR equipment receives it's strongest signal from the headlamp reflectors. As luck would have it, the projector beams on the C6 are particularly effective at refocusing and returning the beam to the gun.
Radar jammers (regulated by the FCC) are illegal, period. Federal law. Big penalties and possibly jail for possessing such a device.
Laser or LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) is regulated by the FDA. Laser jammers, a modified emmitter of laser light, are perfectly legal under federal law. A laser pointer is just as legal as a laser jammer. Some states, including good 'ol California, fearing loss of ticket revenue after sppending big money on LIDAR guns ($2,500 a pop), have passed laws that would make laser jammers illegal in the state. This state law was just challenged in circuit court, and lost on the basis that federal law supersedes it, and that the device could not be proven to have had intent to jam.
Like GreenTahoe says, it is almost impossible to defeat a LIDAR ticket. That is because it is vehicle specific and the gun takes a picture of the car along with the readout. Game over.
It is also impossible for the officer to prove the gun was jammed, even if the state law had any validity. All the officer sees is a 3sec. delay in obtainng a speed readout, after which they will get a speed reading. Regardless of how fast they think the car is or was going, the only thing they can use is the speed readout given by their gun. The rest don't count.
The M40 / M20 is very effective. But the 3 sec and 600ft of travel it buys you is not a lot of time to react and get the car slowed down. LIDAR guns can get a speed lock on a car at about 1,200 feet. The power of the gun overcomes the jammer at about 600 ft. And no, your Corvette won't deflect the beam. That is because the LIDAR equipment receives it's strongest signal from the headlamp reflectors. As luck would have it, the projector beams on the C6 are particularly effective at refocusing and returning the beam to the gun.
So what's the best system set-up to use? RD with Jammer? If so which jammer and where do you purchase these?
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Radar jammers are illegal so how do they enforce this law and catch violaters using radar jamming devices. In the past on the news on TV they said radar jammers didn't work and there is this other stuff called "veil" that was controversal as to if it worked or not but the police didn't want this product used yet they said it was ineffective.
So what's the best system set-up to use? RD with Jammer? If so which jammer and where do you purchase these?
So what's the best system set-up to use? RD with Jammer? If so which jammer and where do you purchase these?
Laser (LIDAR) jammers, on the other hand, are legal and can be purchased. And you are correct: the best strategy is RD + Laser jammer. RDs have laser detection, but it is worthless in reality. By the time your RD beeps laser, you've been clocked.
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No one makes or sells a radar jamming device, just as no gun company sells machine guns to the public. The only folks who have radar jammers are the military (OK some bored engineer may build one in his garage). This is serious business, because of the safety implications of jamming microwave signals (microwave energy is diffuse, so while you are jamming the cop's Stalker, you may also be jamming the radar of a nearby commercial jet). And whatever is beling sold on TV as a jammer is worthless.
Laser (LIDAR) jammers, on the other hand, are legal and can be purchased. And you are correct: the best strategy is RD + Laser jammer. RDs have laser detection, but it is worthless in reality. By the time your RD beeps laser, you've been clocked.
Laser (LIDAR) jammers, on the other hand, are legal and can be purchased. And you are correct: the best strategy is RD + Laser jammer. RDs have laser detection, but it is worthless in reality. By the time your RD beeps laser, you've been clocked.
Those lasers are like being shot with a gun with a bullet.
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From: Acworth GA
I believe the key to using a laser jammer effectively (and not getting caught with it) is to quickly slow down to the speed limit and then shut it off allowing the LEO to obtain your speed. There are some jammers that only operate for a few seconds and others operate for as long as they see the incoming beam. BTW, there are new jammers on the market that can jam right to the gun when installed on a motorhome! Open up your favorite internet search engine and look for "Laser Interceptor USA". I know where my tax return is going...
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In Fl the tint law has to be proven by a device that measures the ability of light to pass through, no one I worked with carried one. We would go for the AS1 violations though (tint on windsheild) and we don't have front plates. Fact of the matter is that this is a good topic to have some practical knowledge about, but there really isn't a need to go overboard with it, hopefully most cops have better things to do than try to bust someone for using a laser jammer. How many here have catless X pipes ??!!
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In Fl the tint law has to be proven by a device that measures the ability of light to pass through, no one I worked with carried one. We would go for the AS1 violations though (tint on windsheild) and we don't have front plates. Fact of the matter is that this is a good topic to have some practical knowledge about, but there really isn't a need to go overboard with it, hopefully most cops have better things to do than try to bust someone for using a laser jammer. How many here have catless X pipes ??!!
but cited at 5:30 AM for tint windows using one of those devices you say.
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That sucks. To be honest I don't think I've ever seen one! I can only imagine what a day must be like for an Ofc to carry one of those or a sound meter. Each agency has its priorities. I refused to be placed in Ca. Well to more specific, it was number 54 on my list :-)
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I have a good lawyer here in Washington state, having beat out two speeding tickets in the last couple of years. Both were Lidar as I watched the guy shoot me and listened as my V1 screamed for mercy. Cost me $200 each but still beat it in court, well the lawyer did. I am pretty sure there is some kind of good buddy deals going on in the court system here, the cops got me fair and square, just not sure how the lawyer beat them both as I wasn't in the court room, I just get a message on my phone saying "case dimissed"....