Lots of info!

 

No public smack in the face here.....YOU ARE MY FRIEND and I respect what you do.

Like with anything else, there are plenty of people that do not understand

how stuff works...As a result they question it...and argue it...and would die to defend

their position..All beit... TOTALLY WRONG.

Let's use this poor misguided soul as an example.....

Now then.... This guy clearly has NO IDEA what CoW BOOSTER is, does, or how it works.

He has not driven it.... (cause if he did he would buy it from me.)

He has no proof, no comprehension despite my many explanations, no foundation for his

absurd claim, like so many others...He's trying desperately to gain credibility by

attempting to argue with, and embarrass someone like myself.

It's human nature....I get it all the time.

Wanna think about something TRAGIC?? In the early days of the formation of this country....

The most civilized country and civilization in the history of the world....

We burned WITCHES..... Why? Because they were WITCHES!

Sad to say, thousands of innocent good people died...Burned as WITCHES.

Why did this happen? Cause people are stupid. They believe what they are told without proof.

They are uneducated, mis-informed, misguided, or just plain STUPID.

Also, people generally tend to challenge and question what they DO NOT/or CAN NOT UNDERSTAND.

Want to pick a fight? Call someone STUPID.

Wanna have BIG knock down drag out brawl...Call someone STUPID...That is STUPID.

That's what I've learned.

I've also learned.... That just because MOST people out there believe something to be true,

that DOES NOT mean that it is... It only means that it's the popular opinion.

Take our current president as an example.... Obviously, he was voted in by the MAJORITY of citizens.

We now have proof that just simply having a MAJORITY of people that think the same way

does not in any way make it the BEST or RIGHT decision.

Back to you Guy.... You are NOT stupid.

Porting heads and intakes can yield gains proportionate to the quality of the job that you do

and the and the engine's demand for air.

You're dealing with MUCH smaller ports (than a 90mm TB) in intakes and heads....and the gains can be a bit more.

Again, lots of people are making very respectable HP with 90MM throttle bodies in stock form

and again, while I've not said that there is "NO IMPROVEMENT" I have made it clear

that my opinion is that the scant few if any HP yielded by porting is

not worth the expense or potential compromise in idle quality.

Again, every combination should be evaluated on an "AS IS" basis, but
you should

agree that YES, a MUCH HIGHER HP VEHICLE could yield a bit more gain (like 4-8 possibly)

and so, if your engine is making 700+ HP you really need 5 ADDITIONAL HP?????? FOR WHAT???

Again, money better spent elsewhere.

Guy, you seem to be more accomplished as a tuner than most of the "PROFESSIONAL" TUNER/VENDORS

on this and other forums. You've demonstrated that you're intelligent and again, I

respect what you do.... And I AM your friend. Again, no kick in the ***** to you....

But, I suspect you're taking offense here as a vendor that offers ported throttle bodies....

Everyone here can spend their money on what they want...And they can believe what they want....

(or what their told...)

My point here is to bring to light the technical side of what it is that makes a ported throttle

body "frowned upon" in MY book.

Some reading this will completely understand my point and side with me....

Some that have bought ported throttle bodies, and believe they are happy with the

return on their investment....Will NOT agree with me... That's ok.

While this is not a CoW BOOSTER advertisement, I am willing any day...and time....

to put CoW BOOSTER up against ANY VENDOR'S PORTED THROTTLE BODY to see what the

preferred mod is....

People will naturally assume that, because both are mods to the throttle system,

that they are the same or do similar things....They are not.

While I probably could have imagined that a topic like this would have caused a stir,

it was not my intention. I'm just interested in giving people the "other side" of what I believe

to be a popular misconception.

For those of you that like your ported throttle bodies... More power to you.

I have never and WILL NEVER offer ported throttle bodies to MY customers...

Because I just simply do not believe in them.
Food for thought.
Chuck CoW

 

Yikes...I think I'll stay with ECS!

 

I wish I was smart enough to understand all this!

 

 

Vendors need to be careful how public conversations go, especially when there could be $1000's of potential dollars at stake. I understand that the customer isn't always right but you still have to get them to believe that... But it can be done more discretely than the above. Take it to a PM so it's not public or a phone conversation. Many times, the written word can be twisted out of context, making the receiver angry in the process. A phone conversation makes all that go away...

Chuck, I have a great deal of respect for your skills and knowledge but you may have lost some potential customers out of this thread. I hate to see good vendors get slammed for defending themselves or their company. Just be careful what you write - you never know who is reading.

 

I understand your point. But please understand that all too frequently

forum members, lacking a very real understanding of how things work,

will argue and call you names to discredit you.... And that's OK and accepted.

What will NOT change is the fact that I will make every effort to keep those

that want to know the truth.... Informed.

Let the hecklers heckle. I will continue to provide the best information and options

so that people can chose wisely.

It is somehow ok for hecklers to heckle, but NOT ok for a vendors to retort.

The people that trust me will continue to do so.

I am honest to a fault and rest assured, the information I provide is TRUE

and not opinions or hearsay.

The people that trust me will continue to do so. The people that want

straight answers will follow.

I am always available by phone for anyone who needs me.

Thank you.
Chuck CoW

 

Chuck, I agree with you completely. From my short time on this forum I have seen plenty of vendors or members have truly good intentions get cut down by the masses. It's sad that this occurs, but once somebody chimes something negetive, it can quickly grow.

My only caution was be careful continuing the argument. Although it feels necessary to defend yourself (believe me, I know first hand), letting it go may be more beneficial to you and COW in the long run. Your followers will continue to follow you with or without this thread.

Any member reading the thread for the first time could make a multi-thousand dollar decision based on the responses he or she read in this thread.

Just my humble opinion.

Sean

 

After being called a "poor misguided soul ", saying "This guy clearly has NO IDEA", and assuming that I have "no proof, no comprehension despite my many explanations, no foundation for his absurd claim"
and then regarded as "uneducated, mis-informed, misguided, or just plain STUPID", it's real hard to understand his motives beyond money.

Apparently the post that precipitated this tirade was when I originally made the statement to the OP to express my opinion in response to the two previously conflicting views by Chuck and Spin.

And now I'm being called a heckler and someone who calls him names to discredit him?

I'm a respected member on this forum, a continuous contributor to help people and share information with no expectation of reward, an accomplished dragracer currently at the top of the LS3 bolton list, and an engineer/CEO who is more than capable of understanding complex concepts, including his CoW booster.

However, I feel like I've just been on the receiving end of a one man mud-slinging contest and did nothing to deserve it.

Chuck is right about one thing. I have never driven a car with his CoW booster. Seeing that it's a "feels good sotp" product, rather than one that actually can add HP to improve measurable dragstrip performance, it's not a product I would ever want or desire.

 

http://www.vetteweb.com/tech/vemp_09...e/viewall.html

The throttle body thing is actually recommended in this article but I had the intake already and based on the dyno results at the end ....it appears if you have a good intake that the throttle body is a waste...check out configuration 2 and 6 and then 8 and 9....looks like the TB is at best good for 1 hp w/a good tune and stock will actually be less.

 

I am interested in this booster...are you talking Pasadena Texas? Close to Houston??

 

Well Stated !!!

 

Yes... Vararam and I have been talking about their location in Pasadena

some time between Jan and the end of Feb... Watch the forum for details...


YES, that's what I've found.

So, your feeling is that horsepower is only "GOOD HORSEPOWER" if it occurrs at 6,600 rpm or so????

But, when a product substantially increases HORSEPOWER with less throttle and at lower

rpms....it's imaginary? or maybe it's a trick and not REAL HORSEPOWER???

Tell you what....YOU JUST QUALIFIED FOR A TOTALLY FREE CoW BOOSTER!

I'll do it for you FOR FREE and I'll cover the shipping as well.... We'll see how imaginary it is....

OR, you could be like the other NAY-SAYERS who I offered it to for free....

Yes, they declined my very generous offer knowing that it would be very awkward for them

if it happened to turn out that they actually liked it and wanted to keep CoW BOOSTER....

Just just like every person that purchased it so far.... It's a winner.

The offer stands.... Give it a try for free....On me.

Go ahead... Try it and then tell me and the forum... it's not REAL HORSEPOWER.

Treat others the way you would like to be treated.

It makes the world (and the forum) a nicer place for all.
Chuck CoW

 

Very generous of you Chuck... Wish I had that kind of offer.

 

Does this do the samething as the CoW booster?

http://www.sprintbooster.us/Chevrolet_Boosters.html

Sprint Booster is engineered to enhance the driving experience by providing increased acceleration time (eliminating delay) on drive-by-wire cars by continuously measuring and converting the digital signal and providing the ECM (Electronic Control Module) with a new and altered signal for much quicker response. Sprint Booster improves response, increases pedal input sensitivity and delivers more impressive off the line performance you can really feel.

Sprint Booster benefits are felt in the low to mid pedal travel. Some people don't like the fact that Sprint Booster reaches full throttle before full pedal travel - if you routinely mash the throttle to the floor, Sprint Booster may not be for you.



Sprint Booster is most effective in the low to mid rpm range, which is where most 'street' cars are driven on a daily basis. Yes, you may need to adjust your driving style after installing Sprint Booster - but that is a short learning curve. Sprint Booster will put the 'fun' back into your daily drive.

 

Well then.....Why not just follow me from thread to thread breaking my *****...

Try to publicly undermine everything I offer... Claim that my product is anything other than

what it is... Without any basis in fact or experience or knowledge of what I do,

Make claims like "CoW BOOSTER is only a SOTP thing or it's a throttle response trick" or trash like that....

And you'll get my so very generous offer....

OH WAIT! What have I done!?!?!? Invite MORE people to break my *****.....

Tell ya what. Have a look at the original CoW BOOSTER thread...The one with 20,000+ views.....

Watch how the ball break started... Claims from vendors that said "OH, I can do that too..."

It's not real... It's just THIS or THAT... Why do I need such a thing????

As the pages added up...And the testimonials rolled in... The nay sayers disappeared one by one...

Pretty much all that's left are GREAT reviews and happy customers....One after another.

There's one of the antagonists in that thread that ACCEPTED my very generous offer....

We even spoke and I was told that the PCM was on it's way to me for the totally FREE CoW BOOSTER

so that he could review it....

What happened over the weekend.... He CHANGED HIS MIND.

WHY? After breaking my *****, wouldn't it be awkward to publicly say

that he was impressed and he liked it??? YES.

Case closed.

I'm not here to make trouble....I'm here to make customers and friends.

Some people are all too surprised and offended when they get a slap in the face...

What they leave out of the story is that THEY WERE THE ONES THAT SLAPPED YOU FIRST!

Chuck CoW

 

I think I just got threadnapped...Ive been sitting back, observing, and waiting to see who will be the bigger man and drop the Ported TB argument. Apparently we have some stubborn people on this forum...

 

It is fair to say they are SIMILAR, but while mine is almost infinitely adjustable, theirs is not.

Theirs can not be changed between the TC/ON and TC/OFF modes. Mine can be different in each mode.

Theirs is just manipulating the input to the pcm to make the pcm think your foot is futher

down on the throttle than it really is...

Mine actually internally changes the calibrated foot pedal position as it relates to the commanded throttle blade angle.

Again, I can customize it almost infinitely to suite your taste where with theirs you

only get off, on , or wild..... The stock throttle opening rates remain unchanged, they

only scale or manipulate the pedal input to achieve the desired effect.

Again, mine is completely re-calibrated.

Any of the features that their produce has...Mine has as well, with the addition of the

increase in fuel mileage (reported to be 2-3 MPG) and fact that mine can be customized.

CoW BOOSTER! is 1/4 the price soon to be HALF the price.

What people fail to realize when they bash the product is that they claim it's ONLY

sensitivity or response....

Fact is, BOTTOM LINE... The throttle opens MORE and SOONER....

So, let's think about it....Throttle opens MORE, MORE AIR COMES IN, MORE POWER IS MADE. Simple.

Yes, the response is greatly improved, but when you install CoW BOOSTER

and you spin the tires on your first test drive....Is that RESPONSE....Or did REAL POWER SPIN THE TIRES????

Give CoW BOOSTER! a try.... If you don't like it, you'll be the only one to date that doesn't think

it's the MOST AMAZING C6 PRODUCT EVER PRODUCED.

GUARANTEED!
Chuck CoW

 

You originally questioned about mods and maximum HP, which is only achived at WOT. When obvious noobies ask these types of questions, we experienced members respond to learn your goals, share our collective knowledge, and help you avoid mistakes. My post #8 did exactly that. Occasionally some of us don't agree, but it's rare when someone starts shouting and throwing mud in an attempt to promote their view. I hope that doesn't taint your opinion of this forum. Stick around and learn what works for you.

If you want to find out more about ported TB, I suggest you do a search and spend some time reading several reports, especially those by non-vendors who provide quantifiable data. Actually, I expressed my opinion to you on post #38 before I got slammed for using a product that worked for me in preference to one that didn't serve my needs.

 

It doesn't increase any horsepower over what the car already has. 0 horsepower increase at any and every RPM range. A ported throttle body has been PROVEN time and time again to provide real horsepower gains. Yes, they are slim, but we're talking about a $100 dollar modification. 3-5 horsepower is all that should be expected at most.

I think it's safe to say that Hoxxoh's feelings are that horsepower is only good if it is actually being increased in a real way (not SOTP or in your mind). Your product does not do that. Period. Your tuning most certainly would do that, but not the booster.

I have no doubt it does what you say it does and does it very well, but you shouldn't try and trick people into believing they're getting more horsepower at lower RPMs. Yes, they get "more horsepower" with less throttle, but that's only because with your device it makes less throttle the same as more throttle. The same horsepower is had by just pushing your foot slightly further down.


I assure you that is not why I declined your free booster offer. I declined it because I don't need a more sensitive pedal. My car drives how i want it to drive and your mod would not make my car faster at any RPM or at any speed. That is why I declined.

If I felt I needed a more sensitive pedal I would have taken you up on the offer.