Estimated RWHP?
Burning Brakes
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 991
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From: Longmont Co
It doesn't increase any horsepower over what the car already has. 0 horsepower increase at any and every RPM range. A ported throttle body has been PROVEN time and time again to provide real horsepower gains. Yes, they are slim, but we're talking about a $100 dollar modification. 3-5 horsepower is all that should be expected at most.
I think it's safe to say that Hoxxoh's feelings are that horsepower is only good if it is actually being increased in a real way (not SOTP or in your mind). Your product does not do that. Period. Your tuning most certainly would do that, but not the booster.
I have no doubt it does what you say it does and does it very well, but you shouldn't try and trick people into believing they're getting more horsepower at lower RPMs. Yes, they get "more horsepower" with less throttle, but that's only because with your device it makes less throttle the same as more throttle. The same horsepower is had by just pushing your foot slightly further down.
I assure you that is not why I declined your free booster offer. I declined it because I don't need a more sensitive pedal. My car drives how i want it to drive and your mod would not make my car faster at any RPM or at any speed. That is why I declined.
If I felt I needed a more sensitive pedal I would have taken you up on the offer.
I think it's safe to say that Hoxxoh's feelings are that horsepower is only good if it is actually being increased in a real way (not SOTP or in your mind). Your product does not do that. Period. Your tuning most certainly would do that, but not the booster.
I have no doubt it does what you say it does and does it very well, but you shouldn't try and trick people into believing they're getting more horsepower at lower RPMs. Yes, they get "more horsepower" with less throttle, but that's only because with your device it makes less throttle the same as more throttle. The same horsepower is had by just pushing your foot slightly further down.
I assure you that is not why I declined your free booster offer. I declined it because I don't need a more sensitive pedal. My car drives how i want it to drive and your mod would not make my car faster at any RPM or at any speed. That is why I declined.
If I felt I needed a more sensitive pedal I would have taken you up on the offer.
Jack.
Former Vendor
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 11,792
Likes: 255
From: Ossining New York
St. Jude Donor '07-'08-'09-'10-'12-'13-'14
Listen here.....
Listen here.....
Maybe I'm speaking a foreign language or something... I've got really good command
of the ENGLISH language. No French, Spanish, or German spoken here...Only ENGLISH.
I'll try to be delicate here so as not to offend anyone....
What is it that you can't UNDERSTAND here???
My product "opens the throttle MORE and SOONER".
Therefore, your engine IS MAKING MORE POWER relative to pedal angle and RPM than it was
BEFORE THE CoW BOOSTER! You don't need a degree in Quantum Physics or Automotive Engineering
to process this....No different than your LAWN MOVER, MOTORCYCLE, or CORVETTE.... When you open the throttle MORE....
YOU GET MORE POWER. What is it about this simple concept that some of you
don't understand????
No matter if you push the pedal further or the computer helps you do it...You make MORE POWER... UNDERSTAND?
How does the vehicle accelerate much more aggressively if there is NO EXTRA POWER being created????
What do you think does that???? You think it's imaginary???
Please define (in engineering speak) SOTP. What do you imagine that is??? MAGIC?
Ask anyone that has driven CoW BOOSTER...It's REAL. It's POWER.
Simply because you fail to understand what it is and how it works, does not mean it does not exist.
I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT that you are NOT INTIMATELY FAMILIAR with how your cell phone works on the inside....
You don't have a degree in Microwave technology.... Do you?
But, you believe that CELL PHONES exist (and you might not have 20 or so years ago) only because you
own one and you use it every day.
Despite the fact that you have NO CONCEPT of how a cell phone works internally or the physics behind it....
Yet, you believe it exists simply because you have seen it with your own eyes....
Many people have experienced CoW BOOSTER first hand... They are impressed and they BELIEVE in it.
Even though they don't completely understand how it works...Nobody does. But they are believers none the less.
If you experienced it... You would believe it too.
You guys are beating a dead horse here.... If anyone has legitimate questions, please fire away...
If not, I'm finished with the hecklers... I'm quite sure the majority of people reading this DO UNDERSTAND what I'm saying.
I'm done.
Chuck CoW
I think it's safe to say that Hoxxoh's feelings are that horsepower is only good if it is actually being increased in a real way (not SOTP or in your mind). Your product does not do that. Period. Your tuning most certainly would do that, but not the booster.
I have no doubt it does what you say it does and does it very well, but you shouldn't try and trick people into believing they're getting more horsepower at lower RPMs. Yes, they get "more horsepower" with less throttle, but that's only because with your device it makes less throttle the same as more throttle. The same horsepower is had by just pushing your foot slightly further down.
I have no doubt it does what you say it does and does it very well, but you shouldn't try and trick people into believing they're getting more horsepower at lower RPMs. Yes, they get "more horsepower" with less throttle, but that's only because with your device it makes less throttle the same as more throttle. The same horsepower is had by just pushing your foot slightly further down.
of the ENGLISH language. No French, Spanish, or German spoken here...Only ENGLISH.
I'll try to be delicate here so as not to offend anyone....
What is it that you can't UNDERSTAND here???
My product "opens the throttle MORE and SOONER".
Therefore, your engine IS MAKING MORE POWER relative to pedal angle and RPM than it was
BEFORE THE CoW BOOSTER! You don't need a degree in Quantum Physics or Automotive Engineering
to process this....No different than your LAWN MOVER, MOTORCYCLE, or CORVETTE.... When you open the throttle MORE....
YOU GET MORE POWER. What is it about this simple concept that some of you
don't understand????
No matter if you push the pedal further or the computer helps you do it...You make MORE POWER... UNDERSTAND?
How does the vehicle accelerate much more aggressively if there is NO EXTRA POWER being created????
What do you think does that???? You think it's imaginary???
Please define (in engineering speak) SOTP. What do you imagine that is??? MAGIC?
Ask anyone that has driven CoW BOOSTER...It's REAL. It's POWER.
Simply because you fail to understand what it is and how it works, does not mean it does not exist.
I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT that you are NOT INTIMATELY FAMILIAR with how your cell phone works on the inside....
You don't have a degree in Microwave technology.... Do you?
But, you believe that CELL PHONES exist (and you might not have 20 or so years ago) only because you
own one and you use it every day.
Despite the fact that you have NO CONCEPT of how a cell phone works internally or the physics behind it....
Yet, you believe it exists simply because you have seen it with your own eyes....
Many people have experienced CoW BOOSTER first hand... They are impressed and they BELIEVE in it.
Even though they don't completely understand how it works...Nobody does. But they are believers none the less.
If you experienced it... You would believe it too.
You guys are beating a dead horse here.... If anyone has legitimate questions, please fire away...
If not, I'm finished with the hecklers... I'm quite sure the majority of people reading this DO UNDERSTAND what I'm saying.
I'm done.
Chuck CoW
Race Director
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,557
Likes: 2,106
From: Peoria/Phoenix AZ
C6 of Year Finalist (performance mods) 2019
Chuck, I already indicated I have no need nor desire to even try a performance enhancing product that hasn't been proven to increase my 1/4 mile dragstrip results. The cost, whether it's $199, free, or you pay me $xxx, makes no difference.
You've been very upfront claiming there is no change in power at WOT, which is where my interest lies. However, you have made statements insinuating I'm so stupid that I can't understand and that I follow you to bust your ***** in an attempt to undermine your product.
You just stated in the last couple of posts, that your product "changes the calibrated foot pedal position as it relates to the commanded throttle blade angle", which is exactly what I stated in post #8. And now you've gone beyond any resemblance of logic when you state your product "substantially increases HORSEPOWER with less throttle and at lower rpms" and can provide an "increase in fuel mileage".
You have now crossed my line of truth in advertising and lost my respect. If that's busting your *****, then so be it.
I've driven over a million miles in my life and have always been able to quickly learn how to modulate the throttle to produce the results I desired, within the limitations of the maximum available power. The type of connection between my body and the fuel/air supply has made no difference. I even once drove several miles using a kite string tied to the carb bellcrank and routed through the wing window.
Spinning the tires at any speed has never impressed me. It usually means the driver didn't or couldn't control the throttle. The only place that it's useful is to heat tires prior to a 1/4 mile pass.
Now if you could create a wireless user adjustable ramp rate for the throttle position that activated only at the WOT position of the foot pedal and was totally independent of the tune, I'd be all over that. If it had a touch screen finger swipe graphical interface and an auto-off timer, every drive-by-wire performance enthusiast in the world would want one.
You've been very upfront claiming there is no change in power at WOT, which is where my interest lies. However, you have made statements insinuating I'm so stupid that I can't understand and that I follow you to bust your ***** in an attempt to undermine your product.
You just stated in the last couple of posts, that your product "changes the calibrated foot pedal position as it relates to the commanded throttle blade angle", which is exactly what I stated in post #8. And now you've gone beyond any resemblance of logic when you state your product "substantially increases HORSEPOWER with less throttle and at lower rpms" and can provide an "increase in fuel mileage".
You have now crossed my line of truth in advertising and lost my respect. If that's busting your *****, then so be it.
I've driven over a million miles in my life and have always been able to quickly learn how to modulate the throttle to produce the results I desired, within the limitations of the maximum available power. The type of connection between my body and the fuel/air supply has made no difference. I even once drove several miles using a kite string tied to the carb bellcrank and routed through the wing window.
Spinning the tires at any speed has never impressed me. It usually means the driver didn't or couldn't control the throttle. The only place that it's useful is to heat tires prior to a 1/4 mile pass.
Now if you could create a wireless user adjustable ramp rate for the throttle position that activated only at the WOT position of the foot pedal and was totally independent of the tune, I'd be all over that. If it had a touch screen finger swipe graphical interface and an auto-off timer, every drive-by-wire performance enthusiast in the world would want one.
Track Junky
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,074
Likes: 36
From: Orlando Area
Tech Contributor
Well then.....Why not just follow me from thread to thread breaking my *****...
Try to publicly undermine everything I offer... Claim that my product is anything other than
what it is... Without any basis in fact or experience or knowledge of what I do,
Make claims like "CoW BOOSTER is only a SOTP thing or it's a throttle response trick" or trash like that....
And you'll get my so very generous offer....
OH WAIT! What have I done!?!?!? Invite MORE people to break my *****.....
Tell ya what. Have a look at the original CoW BOOSTER thread...The one with 20,000+ views.....
Watch how the ball break started... Claims from vendors that said "OH, I can do that too..."
It's not real... It's just THIS or THAT... Why do I need such a thing????
As the pages added up...And the testimonials rolled in... The nay sayers disappeared one by one...
Pretty much all that's left are GREAT reviews and happy customers....One after another.
There's one of the antagonists in that thread that ACCEPTED my very generous offer....
We even spoke and I was told that the PCM was on it's way to me for the totally FREE CoW BOOSTER
so that he could review it....
What happened over the weekend.... He CHANGED HIS MIND.
WHY? After breaking my *****, wouldn't it be awkward to publicly say
that he was impressed and he liked it??? YES.
Case closed.
I'm not here to make trouble....I'm here to make customers and friends.
Some people are all too surprised and offended when they get a slap in the face...
What they leave out of the story is that THEY WERE THE ONES THAT SLAPPED YOU FIRST!
Chuck CoW
Try to publicly undermine everything I offer... Claim that my product is anything other than
what it is... Without any basis in fact or experience or knowledge of what I do,
Make claims like "CoW BOOSTER is only a SOTP thing or it's a throttle response trick" or trash like that....
And you'll get my so very generous offer....
OH WAIT! What have I done!?!?!? Invite MORE people to break my *****.....
Tell ya what. Have a look at the original CoW BOOSTER thread...The one with 20,000+ views.....
Watch how the ball break started... Claims from vendors that said "OH, I can do that too..."
It's not real... It's just THIS or THAT... Why do I need such a thing????
As the pages added up...And the testimonials rolled in... The nay sayers disappeared one by one...
Pretty much all that's left are GREAT reviews and happy customers....One after another.
There's one of the antagonists in that thread that ACCEPTED my very generous offer....
We even spoke and I was told that the PCM was on it's way to me for the totally FREE CoW BOOSTER
so that he could review it....
What happened over the weekend.... He CHANGED HIS MIND.
WHY? After breaking my *****, wouldn't it be awkward to publicly say
that he was impressed and he liked it??? YES.
Case closed.
I'm not here to make trouble....I'm here to make customers and friends.
Some people are all too surprised and offended when they get a slap in the face...
What they leave out of the story is that THEY WERE THE ONES THAT SLAPPED YOU FIRST!
Chuck CoW
See, it's this tone I gave caution about the other day. I wanted to congratulate you for stepping up and being the better person but I question your genuineness now. Why the need to attack? The only person who has anything to lose is you. I'm not selling anything here, the only thing I have done on this forum is try to learn from others and offer help when I can.
Like I said before, the perception may not be favorable to you on this specific thread and it has the potential to cost you business - that is all. Please read that at face value and nothing more. I'm not knocking your product.
Track Junky
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,074
Likes: 36
From: Orlando Area
Tech Contributor
Sorry this thread got so far off topic. Hopefully we can get back on track shortly.
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Melting Slicks
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,625
Likes: 195
From: On the east coast we drive until we die
Well then.....Why not just follow me from thread to thread breaking my *****...
Try to publicly undermine everything I offer... Claim that my product is anything other than
what it is... Without any basis in fact or experience or knowledge of what I do,
Make claims like "CoW BOOSTER is only a SOTP thing or it's a throttle response trick" or trash like that....
And you'll get my so very generous offer....
OH WAIT! What have I done!?!?!? Invite MORE people to break my *****.....
Tell ya what. Have a look at the original CoW BOOSTER thread...The one with 20,000+ views.....
Watch how the ball break started... Claims from vendors that said "OH, I can do that too..."
It's not real... It's just THIS or THAT... Why do I need such a thing????
As the pages added up...And the testimonials rolled in... The nay sayers disappeared one by one...
Pretty much all that's left are GREAT reviews and happy customers....One after another.
There's one of the antagonists in that thread that ACCEPTED my very generous offer....
We even spoke and I was told that the PCM was on it's way to me for the totally FREE CoW BOOSTER
so that he could review it....
What happened over the weekend.... He CHANGED HIS MIND.
WHY? After breaking my *****, wouldn't it be awkward to publicly say
that he was impressed and he liked it??? YES.
Case closed.
I'm not here to make trouble....I'm here to make customers and friends.
Some people are all too surprised and offended when they get a slap in the face...
What they leave out of the story is that THEY WERE THE ONES THAT SLAPPED YOU FIRST!
Chuck CoW
Try to publicly undermine everything I offer... Claim that my product is anything other than
what it is... Without any basis in fact or experience or knowledge of what I do,
Make claims like "CoW BOOSTER is only a SOTP thing or it's a throttle response trick" or trash like that....
And you'll get my so very generous offer....
OH WAIT! What have I done!?!?!? Invite MORE people to break my *****.....
Tell ya what. Have a look at the original CoW BOOSTER thread...The one with 20,000+ views.....
Watch how the ball break started... Claims from vendors that said "OH, I can do that too..."
It's not real... It's just THIS or THAT... Why do I need such a thing????
As the pages added up...And the testimonials rolled in... The nay sayers disappeared one by one...
Pretty much all that's left are GREAT reviews and happy customers....One after another.
There's one of the antagonists in that thread that ACCEPTED my very generous offer....
We even spoke and I was told that the PCM was on it's way to me for the totally FREE CoW BOOSTER
so that he could review it....
What happened over the weekend.... He CHANGED HIS MIND.
WHY? After breaking my *****, wouldn't it be awkward to publicly say
that he was impressed and he liked it??? YES.
Case closed.
I'm not here to make trouble....I'm here to make customers and friends.
Some people are all too surprised and offended when they get a slap in the face...
What they leave out of the story is that THEY WERE THE ONES THAT SLAPPED YOU FIRST!
Chuck CoW
Last edited by 5knives; Nov 27, 2011 at 12:53 AM.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,625
Likes: 195
From: On the east coast we drive until we die
there wont be a bigger man. Just lots of opinions and the imposing of wills. Please continue with your questions. There's lots of info available from some very knowledgeable members.
Last edited by 5knives; Nov 27, 2011 at 12:51 AM.
Pro
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 512
Likes: 0
From: Houston Texas
Ported throttle bodies work, and work quite well. The gains I have seen of up to 9 rwhp were real and I have seen them on multiple cars. Chuck, you can stop trying to bad mouth a product that actually works and playing it off as making less hp then I have personally witnessed. Your product may work or may not in improving the performance of these vehicles. However, the way you go about promoting your product seems like an ad for snake oil. You Know a wonder product that claims to cure all, but does little to nothing.
Thread Starter
Intermediate
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
From: Greenville Texas
I have an appointment at Dallas Performance in a couple weeks to install everything and dyno tune. I am going to run that setup for a while and then go with headers, cam, and retune later.
Will post the "ANSWER" to my original question after the tune... The person with the closest guess will get a congratulatory pat on the back!
Will post the "ANSWER" to my original question after the tune... The person with the closest guess will get a congratulatory pat on the back!
Melting Slicks
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,625
Likes: 195
From: On the east coast we drive until we die
I have an appointment at Dallas Performance in a couple weeks to install everything and dyno tune. I am going to run that setup for a while and then go with headers, cam, and retune later.
Will post the "ANSWER" to my original question after the tune... The person with the closest guess will get a congratulatory pat on the back!
Will post the "ANSWER" to my original question after the tune... The person with the closest guess will get a congratulatory pat on the back!
Texas has a lot of excellent tuners.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 991
Likes: 1
From: Longmont Co
I have an appointment at Dallas Performance in a couple weeks to install everything and dyno tune. I am going to run that setup for a while and then go with headers, cam, and retune later.
Will post the "ANSWER" to my original question after the tune... The person with the closest guess will get a congratulatory pat on the back!
Will post the "ANSWER" to my original question after the tune... The person with the closest guess will get a congratulatory pat on the back!
Jack.
