Z06 vs c6
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From: This city NEVER sleeps! Frank's back yard!
Originally Posted by jschindler
Believe what you want. I believe the C6 is a 1/2 second quicker than the C5. Have you not read Car & Driver and Motor Trends tests? Do you not believe my results against my friends Z06?
The C6 may not show up as well in the 1/4 mile - but then it has run-craps on (better ones, but still run-craps) - which means the 60 ft times will suffer horribly. The car still has an engine with a meaty torque curve which should make for some real fun REAL WORLD driving - I dunno about you, but I don't just drive down the strip with my vette - it occasionally makes it onto a highway! And as a fellow said above - if it really bothers you that the Z06 gets to 140 mph first (likely a car length) just wait till it tops out at 172 mph, and sail by at 185 mph!!
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Originally Posted by DDSLT5
The C6 may not show up as well in the 1/4 mile - but then it has run-craps on (better ones, but still run-craps) - which means the 60 ft times will suffer horribly. The car still has an engine with a meaty torque curve which should make for some real fun REAL WORLD driving - I dunno about you, but I don't just drive down the strip with my vette - it occasionally makes it onto a highway! And as a fellow said above - if it really bothers you that the Z06 gets to 140 mph first (likely a car length) just wait till it tops out at 172 mph, and sail by at 185 mph!!
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Sheeeesh...
Some people just hate to see their loved old Vettes get...well...old.
I love my old Vette but each generation gets better than the previous. ... so it goes for the C6...it's Better. Get over it.
Sure my old lead sled will pull 12.3 on junk 15" street tires
and maaaaybeeee 12 with street slicks.
But a new Vette is a new Vette. A Better Vette. Hell, Ill keep my old one...and still love it. But if the new ZO6 has 500 horse and a removeable top I'll be spanking all the other older Vettes all day long wearing a huge smile.
Then when the C7 ZO6 comes out some people will still cry their old C6 is better...
Just accept it and dont try to keep the ZR1 up to speed in the corners with a C6 or you will be off the road. Pretty simple. It's a better car
Some people just hate to see their loved old Vettes get...well...old.
I love my old Vette but each generation gets better than the previous. ... so it goes for the C6...it's Better. Get over it.
Sure my old lead sled will pull 12.3 on junk 15" street tires
and maaaaybeeee 12 with street slicks.
But a new Vette is a new Vette. A Better Vette. Hell, Ill keep my old one...and still love it. But if the new ZO6 has 500 horse and a removeable top I'll be spanking all the other older Vettes all day long wearing a huge smile.
Then when the C7 ZO6 comes out some people will still cry their old C6 is better...
Just accept it and dont try to keep the ZR1 up to speed in the corners with a C6 or you will be off the road. Pretty simple. It's a better car
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From: This city NEVER sleeps! Frank's back yard!
Originally Posted by 81ZZ4
Just accept it and dont try to keep the ZR1 up to speed in the corners with a C6 or you will be off the road. Pretty simple. It's a better car
Stock is for suckers - leave your car stock and get your **** spanked!
The C6 has improved over the C5, that is true. But a nice used C5 with an LPE TT is much cheaper - but wait, I'm talking to ye who run out and buy everything brand new, cause its the best.
Keep taking that depreciation hit, I'll enjoy it in 5 years!
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From: Tumon GU
I believe your results, and know the C6 kicks ***. I would like to see the Z and c6 duke it out on a track to see the real peformance difference. The Z still is buit lighter and should out peform the "standard " C6????
Lg has a modified C6..Now that is a car i would like to see.....
You cant run around in grilieboy stock C6's!!! Give it to me baby!!
Lg has a modified C6..Now that is a car i would like to see.....
You cant run around in grilieboy stock C6's!!! Give it to me baby!!
Last edited by dmaccor; Nov 9, 2004 at 01:45 PM.
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Originally Posted by 81ZZ4
Sheeeesh...
Some people just hate to see their loved old Vettes get...well...old.
I love my old Vette but each generation gets better than the previous. ... so it goes for the C6...it's Better. Get over it.
Sure my old lead sled will pull 12.3 on junk 15" street tires
and maaaaybeeee 12 with street slicks.
But a new Vette is a new Vette. A Better Vette. Hell, Ill keep my old one...and still love it. But if the new ZO6 has 500 horse and a removeable top I'll be spanking all the other older Vettes all day long wearing a huge smile.
Then when the C7 ZO6 comes out some people will still cry their old C6 is better...
Just accept it and dont try to keep the ZR1 up to speed in the corners with a C6 or you will be off the road. Pretty simple. It's a better car
Some people just hate to see their loved old Vettes get...well...old.
I love my old Vette but each generation gets better than the previous. ... so it goes for the C6...it's Better. Get over it.
Sure my old lead sled will pull 12.3 on junk 15" street tires
and maaaaybeeee 12 with street slicks.
But a new Vette is a new Vette. A Better Vette. Hell, Ill keep my old one...and still love it. But if the new ZO6 has 500 horse and a removeable top I'll be spanking all the other older Vettes all day long wearing a huge smile.
Then when the C7 ZO6 comes out some people will still cry their old C6 is better...
Just accept it and dont try to keep the ZR1 up to speed in the corners with a C6 or you will be off the road. Pretty simple. It's a better car
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From: This city NEVER sleeps! Frank's back yard!
Originally Posted by dmaccor
I believe your results, and know the C6 kicks ***. I would like to see the Z and c6 duke it out on a track to see the real peformance difference. The Z still is buit lighter and should out peform the "standard " C6????
Lg has a modified C6..Now that is a car i would like to see..... You cant run around in grilieboy stock C6's!!! Give it to me baby!!
Lg has a modified C6..Now that is a car i would like to see.....
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From: This city NEVER sleeps! Frank's back yard!
Originally Posted by 81ZZ4
DDSLT5
No one said your car wasnt nice or fast.
We are talking production cars.
if your car is all your ego consists of ...well....thats your drama to overcome.
No one said your car wasnt nice or fast.
We are talking production cars.
if your car is all your ego consists of ...well....thats your drama to overcome.
Actually - I was trying to make a point without spelling it out on a chaulk board - comparing a Z06 to a C6 to C5 to C4 to ZR-1 is all rhetoric since nobody keeps them stock except losers on leases and pretty-boys who bought the car to be 'seen' in. The C6 is an excellent platform to modify, so it is an excellent vette!
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Another point that has not been mentioned is that no matter what you do to the suspension to improve from stock, poundage is poundage. 
So what if some car has outrageous amount of hp but adds more weight to it? Hp/lb or lbs/hp is not the whole story. Try going around corners or brake hard into a corner and one will quickly see the difference. There's no denying the laws of physics.
So what if some car has outrageous amount of hp but adds more weight to it? Hp/lb or lbs/hp is not the whole story. Try going around corners or brake hard into a corner and one will quickly see the difference. There's no denying the laws of physics.
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From: This city NEVER sleeps! Frank's back yard!
Originally Posted by Rapid Transit
Another point that has not been mentioned is that no matter what you do to the suspension to improve from stock, poundage is poundage. So what if some car has outrageous amount of hp but adds more weight to it? Hp/lb or lbs/hp is not the whole story. Try going around corners or brake hard into a corner and one will quickly see the difference. There's no denying the laws of physics.
So what if some car has outrageous amount of hp but adds more weight to it? Hp/lb or lbs/hp is not the whole story. Try going around corners or brake hard into a corner and one will quickly see the difference. There's no denying the laws of physics.That's true - the same poundage that keeps a car stable at speeds above 200 mph. Put some coil-overs on your car - you'll see what affects they have.
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I own a modified zr1 but I must admit the new chassis and
ls7 are really advanced even for a dumb ol pushrod engine and
getting that car to down around 3k lbs will do just fine.
as for right now, 500 rwhp is all I can use so it keeps me happy.
if the new z06 won't run 11s I will wait a while until it does.
ls7 are really advanced even for a dumb ol pushrod engine and
getting that car to down around 3k lbs will do just fine.
as for right now, 500 rwhp is all I can use so it keeps me happy.
if the new z06 won't run 11s I will wait a while until it does.
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IMO Both are awesome cars, they are Corvettes after all.
The Z06 is meant to be a race car. The others are meant to be fun daily drivers (No I am not saying you can't daily drive a Z06 and I am not saying you should daily drive the others)
When driving the C6 I was impressed with the speed and performance. In truth how many people posting actually capped out their Z06 or C6? I doubt many if any. Why compare cars built for 2 diff styles. Compare the C5 Z06 to the C6 Z06.
Even a better idea. Go out, look in the garage and be thankful you have a great American Sports Car.
The Z06 is meant to be a race car. The others are meant to be fun daily drivers (No I am not saying you can't daily drive a Z06 and I am not saying you should daily drive the others)
When driving the C6 I was impressed with the speed and performance. In truth how many people posting actually capped out their Z06 or C6? I doubt many if any. Why compare cars built for 2 diff styles. Compare the C5 Z06 to the C6 Z06.
Even a better idea. Go out, look in the garage and be thankful you have a great American Sports Car.
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Originally Posted by Cambria
IMO Both are awesome cars, they are Corvettes after all.
The Z06 is meant to be a race car. The others are meant to be fun daily drivers (No I am not saying you can't daily drive a Z06 and I am not saying you should daily drive the others)
When driving the C6 I was impressed with the speed and performance. In truth how many people posting actually capped out their Z06 or C6? I doubt many if any. Why compare cars built for 2 diff styles. Compare the C5 Z06 to the C6 Z06.
Even a better idea. Go out, look in the garage and be thankful you have a great American Sports Car.
The Z06 is meant to be a race car. The others are meant to be fun daily drivers (No I am not saying you can't daily drive a Z06 and I am not saying you should daily drive the others)
When driving the C6 I was impressed with the speed and performance. In truth how many people posting actually capped out their Z06 or C6? I doubt many if any. Why compare cars built for 2 diff styles. Compare the C5 Z06 to the C6 Z06.
Even a better idea. Go out, look in the garage and be thankful you have a great American Sports Car.
I find it amusing that a lot of Viper owners diss the Vette passionately on the Viper board, yet very few of them are able to extract the most performance out of those cars. The Vipers are bought for exclusivity first and foremost by their owners. Sorry I went off-track, AH wasn't on.
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From: Tumon GU
Its what all vette owners love..
If you have any model going back to C1, you become passionate about your investment.
If you have a Z06, 2001-2004 its beacuse it WAS the best the vette can be.....so its not that the c6 aint good, its just the C6 Z will be that much better, even though the full performance may never be fully utilised. It is peace of mind and that feeling you have the latest and best from a long line of
Best sports cars...
If you cant have the best, then make it the best.....Thats what LG is there for!!!650 big ones!!!!!
If you have any model going back to C1, you become passionate about your investment.
If you have a Z06, 2001-2004 its beacuse it WAS the best the vette can be.....so its not that the c6 aint good, its just the C6 Z will be that much better, even though the full performance may never be fully utilised. It is peace of mind and that feeling you have the latest and best from a long line of
Best sports cars... If you cant have the best, then make it the best.....Thats what LG is there for!!!650 big ones!!!!!
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There are so many incredibly stupid (and rude) posts here I don't know where to start.
Some of you imply (or outright state) that anybody who buys a coupe or convertible and keeps is stock is basically a "pretty boy", or just doesn't care about performance.
You guys seem to assume that everybody has the same priorities and financial where with all to do whatever we want. We have no wives or children, house payments or other responsibilities.
I for one have had a very heavily modified car in the past (20 years ago), and my previous C5's have been only slightly modifiec (cat back exhaust and cold air intake being the only performance mods). My C6 will likely stay pretty stock. Do ya'll think I'm some kind of wimp who doesn't care about performance and only bought the car to be seen in? That's what you are telling me.
I await your response then I'll gladly post my history of roadracing motorcycles, drag racing and autocrossing my Corvettes. Then we'll discuss who the pretty boys are.
Some of you imply (or outright state) that anybody who buys a coupe or convertible and keeps is stock is basically a "pretty boy", or just doesn't care about performance.
You guys seem to assume that everybody has the same priorities and financial where with all to do whatever we want. We have no wives or children, house payments or other responsibilities.
I for one have had a very heavily modified car in the past (20 years ago), and my previous C5's have been only slightly modifiec (cat back exhaust and cold air intake being the only performance mods). My C6 will likely stay pretty stock. Do ya'll think I'm some kind of wimp who doesn't care about performance and only bought the car to be seen in? That's what you are telling me.
I await your response then I'll gladly post my history of roadracing motorcycles, drag racing and autocrossing my Corvettes. Then we'll discuss who the pretty boys are.
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Originally Posted by dmaccor
I wouldnt even compare the C6 with the Z06......
The car has done nonthing but let me down since the REAL numbrs startd flowing...
When I saw the13.2 posted in AUTIMOBILE and anothe 13.1 posted in anothr mag...
I KNEW SOMTHING WASNT RIGHT..........
The car is much closer to a C5 than a C5 Z06....
A normal Z06 will run anywhe from a 12.3-12.6 ( and thats not even the quick ones.....)
The C6 is barely running beter than a C5..
Most people in there mn6 C6's are runing any wher fom 12.8-13.2
Most people in there mn6 C5's are runing any wher fom 13.0-13.4
SOMEBODY TELL ME IM LYING.......??????!!!!!!!!
Thats just not that impressive......
7 years later and all thats offered is a 2 tenth quicker car?????
We can talk about this pcm and reclibrion and tire stuff all day to get the 400 ponies out of her....
But bottom lne is the way the car was desighned (ie. BONE STOCK)
It's only proven to be slightly quicker than the C5...No where near the Z06...
As far as the break in and weather......
I could drive a Z06 right off the dealer floor with only 200 miles on it and still pull a 12.6 on a 85 dege day....
It's NOVEMBER.....How much below 60 degrees dos it need to get......
It's basicly winter weather right now......
I was seriously considring trading iny 04 t get a o5 a4.
Then I read how the number from Gm said the model i wanted from GM ran a 13.0......
When you consider tat no one has matched GM's numbers....That 13.0 will eaily be a 13.3 ( especialy if theZ51 is only averaging 13.0)
Then at my hot 80 dgre Hawaiian track tat 13.3 wuld easily be a 13.4 or 13.5...
I cant see spending another 10 grand for an car that will probaly be no quicker than the one I have....
Especialy when there both brand new......
Im just so disapointed in the car......I was expecting to see 12.5's and 12.6's by now bone stock.....
Instead Ive seen times no beter than what many have claimed to do in there bone stock C5's....
BUT
HEY THERES GOOD NEWS.....
THE Z06 C6 WITH 500 HP IS GONA RUN A WHOPPING 12.3 AT 116 MPH!!!!
Well...Thats what will happen with the added power if they screw it up the way the did the C6......
If where only seeing a 3 tenth improvement over the C5 with an extra 50 HP...
Then it's quite conceivable that with an extra 150 HP we'll only see an 9 tenth improvement over the C5...
So if the C5 averages 13.2....
The way things are goin the C6 Z06 would average 12.3....
Maybe the bar was just set to high with the C5 Z06....
And there only planning to beat it by 2-3 tenths like they did the C5 vrs C6....
The car has done nonthing but let me down since the REAL numbrs startd flowing...
When I saw the13.2 posted in AUTIMOBILE and anothe 13.1 posted in anothr mag...
I KNEW SOMTHING WASNT RIGHT..........
The car is much closer to a C5 than a C5 Z06....
A normal Z06 will run anywhe from a 12.3-12.6 ( and thats not even the quick ones.....)
The C6 is barely running beter than a C5..
Most people in there mn6 C6's are runing any wher fom 12.8-13.2
Most people in there mn6 C5's are runing any wher fom 13.0-13.4
SOMEBODY TELL ME IM LYING.......??????!!!!!!!!
Thats just not that impressive......
7 years later and all thats offered is a 2 tenth quicker car?????
We can talk about this pcm and reclibrion and tire stuff all day to get the 400 ponies out of her....
But bottom lne is the way the car was desighned (ie. BONE STOCK)
It's only proven to be slightly quicker than the C5...No where near the Z06...
As far as the break in and weather......
I could drive a Z06 right off the dealer floor with only 200 miles on it and still pull a 12.6 on a 85 dege day....
It's NOVEMBER.....How much below 60 degrees dos it need to get......
It's basicly winter weather right now......
I was seriously considring trading iny 04 t get a o5 a4.
Then I read how the number from Gm said the model i wanted from GM ran a 13.0......
When you consider tat no one has matched GM's numbers....That 13.0 will eaily be a 13.3 ( especialy if theZ51 is only averaging 13.0)
Then at my hot 80 dgre Hawaiian track tat 13.3 wuld easily be a 13.4 or 13.5...
I cant see spending another 10 grand for an car that will probaly be no quicker than the one I have....
Especialy when there both brand new......
Im just so disapointed in the car......I was expecting to see 12.5's and 12.6's by now bone stock.....
Instead Ive seen times no beter than what many have claimed to do in there bone stock C5's....
BUT
HEY THERES GOOD NEWS.....
THE Z06 C6 WITH 500 HP IS GONA RUN A WHOPPING 12.3 AT 116 MPH!!!!
Well...Thats what will happen with the added power if they screw it up the way the did the C6......
If where only seeing a 3 tenth improvement over the C5 with an extra 50 HP...
Then it's quite conceivable that with an extra 150 HP we'll only see an 9 tenth improvement over the C5...
So if the C5 averages 13.2....
The way things are goin the C6 Z06 would average 12.3....
Maybe the bar was just set to high with the C5 Z06....
And there only planning to beat it by 2-3 tenths like they did the C5 vrs C6....
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Originally Posted by Cambria
IMO Both are awesome cars, they are Corvettes after all.
The Z06 is meant to be a race car. The others are meant to be fun daily drivers (No I am not saying you can't daily drive a Z06 and I am not saying you should daily drive the others)
When driving the C6 I was impressed with the speed and performance. In truth how many people posting actually capped out their Z06 or C6? I doubt many if any. Why compare cars built for 2 diff styles. Compare the C5 Z06 to the C6 Z06.
Even a better idea. Go out, look in the garage and be thankful you have a great American Sports Car.
The Z06 is meant to be a race car. The others are meant to be fun daily drivers (No I am not saying you can't daily drive a Z06 and I am not saying you should daily drive the others)
When driving the C6 I was impressed with the speed and performance. In truth how many people posting actually capped out their Z06 or C6? I doubt many if any. Why compare cars built for 2 diff styles. Compare the C5 Z06 to the C6 Z06.
Even a better idea. Go out, look in the garage and be thankful you have a great American Sports Car.
I bought a C6 because I've been without a vette for awhile. I also don't mind the extra 100 hp over my previous vette (C4).
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I See the LIGHT!!!!!!!
You're right I was duped and I don't really like the car at all. I needed your overbearing, self-important opinion and insight to point that out to me. 
Wait a minute how about this? Wait to buy the Z06. Do you really think your opinion really matters to people one way or another, as if anyone cares!
How much time do you people spend thinking of all of the crap you spew in this forum. How do you have any time to actually drive your cars.
If you don't like the car and you are sincerely offended by it's existence then I suggest every time you see one on the Street you trounce it thouroughly with whatever Supercar you happen to be driving that day and prove to the stupid C6 driver how right you are. That is until General Motors recognizes your talents and asks you to make the decisions on how to make and market their cars.
On a lighter note: I'm very pleased with my C6 and am glad I never asked you for your opinion.
Wait a minute how about this? Wait to buy the Z06. Do you really think your opinion really matters to people one way or another, as if anyone cares!
How much time do you people spend thinking of all of the crap you spew in this forum. How do you have any time to actually drive your cars.
If you don't like the car and you are sincerely offended by it's existence then I suggest every time you see one on the Street you trounce it thouroughly with whatever Supercar you happen to be driving that day and prove to the stupid C6 driver how right you are. That is until General Motors recognizes your talents and asks you to make the decisions on how to make and market their cars.
On a lighter note: I'm very pleased with my C6 and am glad I never asked you for your opinion.