The company is linked on post #308 Mylaps Pro Timing systems. You didn't read any of that did you? They are used all over the world, F1, Indycar, Nascar, LeMans, all of the major Tracks. They just installed COTA in Austin. I'm going to repeat to you again, read before you respond. If you had read this we would not have to discuss this twice. Guibo, if you are a BMW owner, just stay away and leave the Corvette Forum alone. It's not healthy for you to agitate so many people here. And I'll pretend that I didn't read your comment of me not owning my Ferrari's. My first sportscar love was a Vette and I'm thrilled to see their doing a World Class Vette. Most of us were at a frenzy right before January 13. Where were you and Notch. You guy's were gone. Didn't hear a peep out of you. I'm getting tired of giving the two of you valid and responsible information and you not reading it. It's a waste of my time and just clogs up the forum. Good Day!

 

[QUOTE=skank;1583132521]It's false advertising, thats all.

Fact.

 

Dude why do you even waste your time with this individual (Guibo & Notch are probably the same person)??

He/they are either a smart *** 15 year old or a pathetic & delusional adult. Either way, don't bother!

 

Notch & Guibo,
Thanks for keeping up the good fight. It's not easy given the fact that dollar for dollar the Corvette destroys Porsches, but thanks none the less.

Yours truly,
Porsche AG

PS your monthly checks are in the mail

 

I swear, if I could funnel all the hot air in this thread through my computer, I could tell the gas company to f themselves.

 

I read that post. Nowhere within that link did I find the words "Nurburgring" or "Nordschleife." You do realize that it would be somewhat useless at this point to have such a system installed on the Nordschleife because
1) Any timing system for just about any officially sanctioned race occurs on the F1 portion of the track (VLN events tend to use both tracks), and
2) The Nurburgring isn't exactly in the rudest of financial health right now, and
3) The data-logging and GPS systems used by these various companies are plenty bloody accurate enough for timing, and can tell you the driver's steering angle, throttle/brake input, suspension travel position, etc, at any one point in time on the track anyway.
The Nordschleife isn't exactly like those other circuits. Technically, it's a toll road, open to the public.

Where was I? What are you, my mother? I got tired of peeping in here and seeing no real news in the weeks leading up to the unveil. I checked out into PR&C where the news was Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! The day of the unveil, I was right here watching it live:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...post1582816787
I'd also been posting what info I could find:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1582489937-post472.html

So excuse me if I'm not in all of the popular threads that you are (though you'll see my posts in threads about weight, rev-matching, interior, etc).

And I'll pretend that I actually saw any shred of proof that you've bought not only one but two Ferraris. Not saying it's impossible, just that most people who have bought Ferraris can name more than one thing about why they like F-cars, outside of tenuous links to an F1 program. So you're willing to put up with horrible depreciation, when used (just as you said), high maintenance, relatively low reliability, and threat of self-immolation (hmm...that great attention to engine bay detail you were talking about?)...all because Ferrari did great in F1 (although they've recently been getting their asses beat by a sports drink sponsor, LOL). If you're on F-chat, tell me your handle there.

If it's such a waste of your time, quit reading and posting like you threatened to do. If you're going to come back, please fess up to your blatant lie about what I said regarding turbos and elevation. Please feel free to reconcile how it's possible that so many independent tests have verified Porsche's claims to within 0-7s. Please feel free to show me an independent test of the CTS-V, which GM proclaimed was the world's fastest sedan on the 'Ring.

 

v26278,
Thanks for trying and failing to punch any holes in Guibo's arguments. It's not easy, when you have only ignorance to go on. We'd like to help you out, but are too busy right now trying to figure out Porsche's 18% operating profit margin. Yeah, we're still stuck at 6%.

Best regards,
GM
PS. Sorry, no check this year. Taxpayer oversight and all that!

 

Sorry if I hit a nerve...i guess P-car drivers can look at those Corvette tail lights and say "yah, but Porsche has higher margins"

 

Porsche and Corvette are simply different vehicles. I've had both over 40 years. Some people enjoy one more than the other. That's it. Which one is better is for a buyer to decide. After they spend their money, regardless of what they purchase, I hope they enjoy the hell out of the car.

If you don't have anything nice to say about another man (or worman's) car then just bite your tongue. Agree to disagree......pleasantly.

 

Notch, Guibo

I sent a few of your posts to Porsche people ( the ones that you think bleed Porsche ) and they almost wet themselves with your humorous posts as to your incredible devotion of the Porsche's superiority on a forum dedicated to Corvettes. Their words were I hope this isn't one of our Employees ! And what an Idiot like that is doing in a Corvette online forum,

Notch, If you are in Germany I can arrange a ride at the Ring for you or at Spa with an Instructor and 24 hour of the Ring Competitor for 15 years. He will gladly drive you around and if you have a competitors license maybe you can drive

Alois Ruf will welcome you at his place as well !! even though not connected with Porsche He found this amusing.

Its amazing that the people who love Porsche this much have a lot of respect for Corvette and the challenges they will pose.

The Corvette has many competitors Yes and Porsche is one.

In their words translated, Porsche does not need a lunatic defending us !
we want to win customers ourselves, this is not the way to convince others, but to alienate them!

The Corvette will have its customers and so will Porsche

Corvette has done some marvelous things lately, as has Porsche
Porsche is working a Hybrid angle that Corvette is not

Its like an American standing up in the middle of the German section of a World Cup match and criticizing
or belittling the team and coach. would you like a reminder of what FORMER ceo Wiedeking SAID to Porsche
when he left ( was indicted ) after raising prices to such crazy levels and killing resales with compromised quality ( until the new group and VW took Over)

Heres his message Sharp Contrast to the Corvette people who are Reasonable

 

And having just sold a 2008 Z06 last year, and just buying a Porsche Boxster this week, this whole thread just makes me sigh. Cars are very personal and those that say one is better than another are just espousing his or her personal opinions. If you are a diehard marquee fan, then of course you are going to toot your brands horn over the other guy. And while Porsche may be one of Corvettes rivals, they aren't the only one and each of them will have something that it does better than the corvette, and of course the C7 will do something better than they do. But the bottom line is "It's all personal opinion" until the hard numbers start coming out.

There are obviously WAY too many keyboard cowboys in the C7 section right now. Folks are debating numbers when NO data is currently available for the C7. Chill folks, come on back when the data comes in from GM. Then these debates will have some teeth, until then it's just a guessing game.

 

Because people shopping "entry" Lambo's and Ferrari's at 200K+ usually are giving a long hard serious look at 50K Corvettes said no one ever.

 

No one is cross shopping the Italian cars for this base C7.
Probably few are cross shopping the Italians if there is a 700 hp C7/ZR1.
Maybe $125k Viper or base level $100K Porsche, but again thats only the ones looking to buy the new (possible) ZR1.

 

The C-7 is going to be in an unusual place. It is being tuned to compete
with everyones offering Yes that includes MB, BMW Ferrari, Nissan, Jaguar and the rest of the VW group Porsche, Lambo, Audi etc.

Lets wait to see what we get, It may be more to our liking than we think
and if it does as touted, it will convert a few folks that have open minds and are not worried about a name badges ( We don't need no stinking Badges)

I own into the high teens in Porsches, Most are Pre 1973 and all but two are 1998 or newer. I wil not sell all of them unless forced to.

The early (pre 73) 911s and 356s are at insane prices right now, I have an offer on one that will allow me to buy either a 991 or 2 c-7s with change left over. When I drive the C-7 I will know.

It is the experience of driving, of cornering, stability and the fun factor
that I am looking for as well as power. I just spent 2 days driving the New Porsche Cayman S and it is an amazing car. It and the third generation Boxster S are huge fun to drive at speed and will put a grin on your face! The 991 is fast sharp and not quite as nimble

I expect the Corvette to be more precise like Porsches than previous C-cars, But like everyone else we will wait and see when driven only then will we know.

In the mean time I am holding out hope they did it right, The CTSV is certainly an indicator of a car that will keep BMW Ms and AMGs at an arms distance. its preference there

I am spoiled getting to drive in Germany most of the year
It really shows you the flaws and successes of vehicles

Again If you want a Porche crest hood badge ( especially a early one
which is worth $600-$1000 over the newer ones) I will sell you one

In Germany where Oil is $27 a quart for Mobil 1 and Gas is $8 a gallon
a performance car is actually much more expesive to own than in most States and yes a C-7 will be priced like an entry level Carrera so it has to be good.

Lets wait and hope that what we are hearing fron the select few that have driven the test mules that they are as good as predicted

 

Yes, I'm sure you did. Just as I'm sure skank owns not one but two Ferraris on the basis of F1 success. I hear he is first in line for the equally mythical Red Bull roadcars.
I have respect for the Corvette. Just not for those people who think it is infallible (cue unsubstantiated claims of C6 interior and seat quality, and equally unsubstantiated pure BS about there only being 19k M3s sold during the period of the C6's 200k+ units; who's the spreader of "untruths" and "falseties" now?).

 

In the marketplace, a person's income is far more indicative of what "competes," rather than spec sheet stats and lap times. Last I heard, median income for a Ferrari owner was right around the $490k mark. I doubt any significant portion of buyers are contemplating M5 vs C7.

P-car drivers have been looking at Corvette tail lights for ages. There's nothing new there. That doesn't seem to have bothered any significant portion of them in the very least. I do agree from what I've seen so far from the C7 that there is less reason than ever before to choose the Porsche, however. In the US, the 911 price hike is rather substantial, and to my eyes the interior differences are not as great as before. Top that off with Porsches from Caymans to 911s losing some steering sensitivity due to the electric assist, and now the Corvette poses a greater threat as an overall package than ever before.

 

The old days had Guibo complaning about the Vettes performance, aero and in no way beleaving it could have been the tires, but, evolution transcends!

 

Guibo, I have some Ferrari paraphanalia that I got from my Ferrari dealer. I could give some of them to you to spruce up your BMW alter that you genuflect to every night. Do you light your BMW candles too? How about some BMW holy water?

 

the rival is going to be the c5 or c6 with a few bolt-ons that put it to shame.

A kid with 25k to invest is going to be able to go on to the for sale section here and buy a 650 HP c6 that has the tires and suspension to match and is going to shame the guy that just took out a 90k loan to buy a c7 (after tax tag and title...)

 

And the C5 guys have been doing that to C6s for the past 8 years. So what.