^^so does the GTR.

 

so this^,..and i gotta say,..as the owner of an '08 911 turbo coupe manual,...i think vettes are an incredible car!,..always have been, and continue to be with the c7,...i have ANY z06, and zr1 constantly on my radar to pick up as my next "bucket list" car,..can't wait!,..and i think that person who be-littled the vette has it totally wrong too,...like this poster puts it very well,...the only thing the porsches have goin' for them now,..is just snob-appeal,...yeah,. i do love our 911!,..but man,..i love those vettes too!,..have since my childhood,..and will be the proud owner of one in the very near future,..when our 15 year old gets her own wheels, and we no longer need that "vestigal" back seat in the 911,..so,...the new vette certainly AIN'T no "wannabe ',..and i think, even as a porsche owner!,..is giving porsche MORE than a run for the money!,..i love all fast cars,..and vettes are now built pretty much as well,..if not TOTALLY equal,..to the build quality of any porsche nowadays,..that's my take,...

 

Sorry but most of the Astons fit into that first category.

 

This is not a sentiment you will likely see outside of a Corvette forum. I haven't heard of M3 "rocking seat base" issues like I've seen for the C6. Larry Webster, who is a big-time Corvette fan, wrote in Popular Mechanics:
"But as good as the Grand Sport may be dynamically, it does suffer from the same problems all Corvettes do. The mood inside is distinctly low-rent, especially compared to the luxurious BMW. The climate control has an '80s-tech grey LCD display, the carpeting has the texture of astro turf, and the seats are simply not up to the task of properly supporting the driver. Our Vette had the optional clear removable roof and it creaked and groaned over sharp bumps. The BMW's vault-like structure seemed to be in another class."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...risons/4333820

 

I always thought there was a misconception of the C6 interior. It is one of the best ergonomic layouts of any vehicle. The build quality is no different from most but the material specifications are certainly a function of price point values. The fact that both Corvette and BMW interiors are fabricated from the same vendor DraxlMaier one could argue that the building standards are identical. They do not change their methods of construction from brand to brand. They do adjust their material palette though depending on the interior budget. This has all changed on the C7 so it's a moot point anyway. BMW guys will just have to live with the fact that their in relatively slow cars.

 

I don't view the 911 as competition for the C7 as the 911 is like 30K more. Maybe the Porsche Boxter S, or a big engine Mustang. Actually for the price of a C7, say 60-65K, the competion is really more expensive cars and the Vette has a distinct price advantage.

 

I always have one trying to bite me in the rump, and they are annoying!

 

Well, team Corvette (according to Tadge in the recent Road and Track) actually owns a Porsche 911 Carrera S for benchmarking.

 

Dollar for Dollar, when you place you backside in the drivers seat of a current C6, there is no sports car that can compare!
Safety and performance is what these cars achieve.
The sad thing is, a number of drivers will only experience 75% of the performance capability the corvette has built-in.

Just think, the C7 was built to out perform the C6.

Can't wait to put my backside in the drivers seat of a C7 to see if I can reach 75% of its capability!!

 

See where this is going ? Two seaters used to be sports cars , now it's see how many of the family you can take along. Watch out guys it's coming to Corvettes too ! First quarter windows then back seats. If thats what you want then I guess your ok with it.

 

 

I'd say it's biggest rival, is Porsche the Boxster, Audi, BMW, Mustang, Mercedes and Astons against the base model and Z51.


Full on Exotics against the LT4/LT5 / L88 cars.
like the Lambos, Ferrari, and Paganis of the world.

 

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-...2016-supercar/ With that coming out soon you might have eat your words. And perhaps you never had the chance to sit in a 6 or 7 series but there is NO way it is made from the same materials as a C6. A C6 is plastic inside an out. I never really considered a Corvette till the C7 because this car looks like a real car not a plastic toy car. The C7 is a beauty though especially with the leather wrapped interior.

 

Agreed. I actually think the NSX front is even worse than the C7 rear. It almost looks like Mazda designed it with that rediculous smiley face.

I think the real competition for the Vette is the Porsche 911, Porsche Cayman/Boxster, BMW M3/future M4, Mustang GT500, and Camaro ZL1.

Then for someone who really wanted a Vette but was going to struggle to make payments now has a pretty good option in the Scion FRS and Subaru BRZ. Nowhere near the horsepower, but really nice looks in a great handling and lightweight car.

 

All my comments are specific to Draxl Maier being the fabricator of both cars. It's very clear that I said the material specifications may be different from car to car. By the way Draxl Maier also does Bugatti, Maybach, Mercedes Benz, Porsche, Audi, Jag, Cadillac. And I'm sure the material specification of this new M8 doesn't come close to a Maybach or Bugatti either. Different interior budgets. But the fabrication techniques will probably be pretty close to one another since they're not going to change their manufacturing technologies for different companies.

 

I'm not discussing ergonomics as the C6 tends to be rated close enough on that front. In regards to lateral support and the flimsiness of things like the seatbacks, the seat base, and even the seat adjustment lever, it is slagged for that far more often than I've seen the M3; owners have mentioned such issues in these very forums. Then there are the detail items, like the fitment of panels, the quality of the switchgear, especially the various console *****. Go look at the manual adjustment levers on the BMWs vs the C6 to get an idea of not just the design that makes the German one more attractive, but you also get an idea of the robustness behind it. Then there are the design issues that make the C6 interior less attractive overall, like the huge one-piece slab of plastic that makes up the center console. The C7 improves on this drastically, breaking up that gigantic slab into smaller pieces, and provides real CF, none of that obviously fake stuff masquerading as CF. The quality of the ***** and switchgear have taken a step up too.
Coming from Draexlmaier helps (I don't think the C6 interior came from them), but anyone with eyes would know there's a difference in quality from a Bugatti to a CTS. Hell, there's a huge difference between a Bugatti and an Audi A3 and those both come from VW/Audi Group. Building standards are not determined only by the supplier. But I was not talking only about build standards to the exclusion of other factors, like design, or levels of customization.
BMW guys have already acknowledged they are in relatively slower cars (and also faster than other cars). Do they really care? Doesn't appear to be so, not with BMW setting a sales record last year (up 10.6% despite markets in Europe tanking and China's contraction). Plenty of M3s and Z4s out there optioned to well beyond C6 prices. I'd wager there are even way more 335i convertibles out there that are optioned into M3 price ranges.

 

No doubt, the Corvette is in its own class......only 2 seater with this performance, at this price.....I wanted a C6, but this was part of my decision to get a Cobra Vert as my fair weather fun ride for now(I have a 8yo son and really need a backseat so my wife can fit too...ha!) I am surprised that Ford has not come directly after the Vette with a 2 seat version of the GT500 (with a whole new exotic shape on the mustang chassis)since the looks of the GTs are almost the same as the GT500 this year.....the Shelby sells well but to most average people on the street its only another Mustang......so the Shelby owner buys it for the performance/perceived collectability, where the Vette is more of a status thing in the past(even non-car people always know a Vette when they see it) along with the performance......I think you will see crossover buyers from the Shelby once this this Vette hits the street, as long as there are no early glithes with the new motor

very few Porsche people will lust after any Vette if they have a 9 series, but the boxter/cayman driver would only have to get behind the wheel of this much power after driving their go carts to be swayed to the new Stingray....

I think Camaro is a competitor(it also has great bang for the buck)
much more likely that a fully loaded Camaro buyer would consider moving up a lil in car payment to get the latest greatest from Chevy....so its a bit canabalistic

M3 buyers are just not the type to go American, just talk to most and it is all about German engineering is the pinnacle of human existance....

the bulk of this car will be sold right here the USA to hardworking people who may just be able to make the payment on a base model, or established or retired business men ready to pay cash, & waiting on the new Zo6 to hit....to both they will be adored, pampered, polished like no other brand has been....thats kinda what makes it a Corvette.

 

Any 2 seat sportscar under 100k

 

From a cost perspective, the C7's rivals are any vehicle priced between about $40K & up. But, there really are no verticle limits on price based rivalries.

Many high end Ferraris have licensed the Cadillac/Corvette magnetic suspensions and, other than the exquisite leathers in many Ferraris & Lambos, performance wise the C7 ZO6/ZR1's will likely kick almost any Ferrari, Lambo, Mercedes, BMW, or Audi on the track. Also, at the same time, even the ZR1's have dramatically superior road & highway manners and ride experience when compared with the Ferraris & Lambos, which are only now beginning to understand that a super car doesn't have to ride like a truck or a pure track car to be the fastest production car on a track. Most importantly, can one say "high performance car with manual transmission?" Many of these companies are leaving that market segment wide open for the Corvette to penetrate market share.

Base C7 basically competes against any non super car. The 911 S which options as high as $130,000+ is a direct rival performance-wise and interior wise with the base C7, but, more particularly, the full leather & full optioned Z51 which will likely outperform any 911 S for around $50,000 less. That's a kick *** rivalry that Porsche can't touch except possibly from the current snob appeal aspects, but that culture is likely going to change when more and more 911 drivers see and experience the C7.

There is a certain point at which many folks will say snobbery be damned, and have a hard time justifying $40K to $50K more for a car that rides worse, handles worse, and is simply not the superior vehicle.

It will be interesting to see if Chevy pulls all this off and meets their higher market targets. Also, Porsche is bringing out their new Ferrari challenger which is not based on the 911. When the C7 ZR1 beats or equals both those cars on the track for $200K to $300K less, it is going to get interesting.

 

you are missing out big time.