Hard Data ....
Le Mans Master
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Wow, this is an incredinly insightful discussion of the
Development of the Combustion System for the
General Motors Fifth Generation “Small Block”
Engine Family 2013-01-1732 Published 04/08/2013
This Thread is like Dementia on a Roller Coaster . . . . .
Development of the Combustion System for the
General Motors Fifth Generation “Small Block”
Engine Family 2013-01-1732 Published 04/08/2013
This Thread is like Dementia on a Roller Coaster . . . . .
Melting Slicks
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Perhaps.. It's been a long day and I'm sitting in my hotel room in Vegas with my beer goggles on reading the drama on CF. I was wondering what his response would be to your Joes C7 comment and he did not disappoint.
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Get out and have some REAL fun!
Remember, we need pics!
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I quit believing in mythical people and creatures on Christmas morning 1950 when I didn't get the Lionel Alco FA/FB diesel set I wanted. But, it's good to know that you still believe in fairy tales. At least I now know where you're coming from.
Melting Slicks
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Texel,
Thank you very much for posting the info!
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You know you can still get it...
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Le Mans Master
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I've been coming to vegas twice a year for trade shows the last 20 or so years for up to a week each time. Sadly, most of the fun with this place has worn off. Fortunately, I get to go to other places that are much more entertaining like Amsterdam every Sept. In Vegas, I tend to lay low. I have a fridge packed with beer and the hotel flat screen on the wall rigged with my iPad and slingplayer app so that I have all of my home directv channels, HBO go, netflix etc via the HDMI from my iPad.. I actually bring a programmable remote when I travel just so I can hack hotel room TV's and take control of them to access the HDMI inputs. It's great!
Texel,
Thank you very much for posting the info!
Texel,
Thank you very much for posting the info!
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Today, I doubt some mythical person will give it to me for free, like I believed Santa would. Better odds of winning the Powerball and then buying that diesel set then waiting on some mythical person pulled by some mythical creature with a flashing red LED nose(keeping up with today's technology).. same goes with the mythical person and creature born out of the 1930's depression, to help save a dying town.
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Instructor
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Humm.. not much to do about consensus.. Paper is by the engineers who designed the Gen V and these papers do have to go thru as strict vetting process by the top folks at GM. So which do you believe old PR fluff from 6 months ago or the latest tech info from GM staff? Their was no mention of E85 in the paper.
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Today, I doubt some mythical person will give it to me for free, like I believed Santa would. Better odds of winning the Powerball and then buying that diesel set then waiting on some mythical person pulled by some mythical creature with a flashing red LED nose(keeping up with today's technology).. same goes with the mythical person and creature born out of the 1930's depression, to help save a dying town.
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Because the OP said the SAE paper had numbers. If the SAE has "certified" numbers, then GM also has them so why can't GM release them. Isn't that what we've been waiting for? Or is the SAE paper about another genV engine that is not going to be used in the base C7(thus the 7200 RPM crap that we know is not the redline of the LT1 that GM has said will be in the case C7).
Could the 7200 RPM be the redline for an optional engine that will indeed have more horsepower than the base LT1 engine and that is what the SAE paper is about? I Don't know and neither do you, so I'll stick with the known information that GM has released so far regarding the C7's LT1 to be used in the base C7..
Could the 7200 RPM be the redline for an optional engine that will indeed have more horsepower than the base LT1 engine and that is what the SAE paper is about? I Don't know and neither do you, so I'll stick with the known information that GM has released so far regarding the C7's LT1 to be used in the base C7..
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Burning Brakes
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I "get" what would be good mileage, and the numbers GM have given us indicate that the LT1 will have it. And they are better than the 436-hp car, too. What I don't get is you.
Burning Brakes
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You are probably correct. Either that, or he is trying to reverse-mojo the C7 into being as good as he hopes it will be. His skepticism/negativity is just senseless otherwise.
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That's IT!! You just figured him out! It's been there all the time, right in his screen name:
Pete reverse mo jo
Now we know - and it explains a lot about him!
Let's all address him by his "real" name from now on!
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Thank you for taking the time (and money) to buy the paper, read it, and share relevant data with us. Don't mind the bozos who clutter up pretty much every thread on here with nonsense.
460-470 horsepower in a 30+ mpg package with a 100k warranty and substantial mid-range torque is incredible.
People keep wondering if it'll be enough to "run with a Z06 at the track"? The reality is peak horsepower is only one tiny component of a road course lap time. Tires, suspension, and area under the curve are far more important.
Put a Z51 C7 and C6 Z06 on the same tires and let them have at it... would be a very interesting test. I'd wager the C7 would win with the updated MSRC, better brakes (single pad, no padlettes) Brembos, e-diff (better power application at corner-exit), and better seats (allowing the driver to do a better job).
460-470 horsepower in a 30+ mpg package with a 100k warranty and substantial mid-range torque is incredible.
People keep wondering if it'll be enough to "run with a Z06 at the track"? The reality is peak horsepower is only one tiny component of a road course lap time. Tires, suspension, and area under the curve are far more important.
Put a Z51 C7 and C6 Z06 on the same tires and let them have at it... would be a very interesting test. I'd wager the C7 would win with the updated MSRC, better brakes (single pad, no padlettes) Brembos, e-diff (better power application at corner-exit), and better seats (allowing the driver to do a better job).