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Old May 11, 2019 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Deepdiver
yeh, a bunch of grumpy old men at the coffee shop lol
Yea, well im one of those grumpy old men at the coffee shop and I can assure you, we don't waste our time stressing or arguing about what interior package or transmission we have in our new Corvettes - we do however give each other friendly jabs about the other hot rods we have in the stable!
Old May 11, 2019 | 02:28 PM
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I think the issue here is that a lot of people are set in their ways. They project their likes and dislikes on others. If I like such and such, you have to like that to! Esauf meine Weise tun zu müssen!
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Originally Posted by hummiscorvettetaken
Yea, well im one of those grumpy old men at the coffee shop and I can assure you, we don't waste our time stressing or arguing about what interior package or transmission we have in our new Corvettes - we do however give each other friendly jabs about the other hot rods we have in the stable!
Whenever I hang out with my Corvette buds, not once does the topic of 1LT, 2LT, 3LT ever come up. Nor does anyone ever insult the automatic owners and tell them that they should have bought a manual, and nobody criticizes anyone else's choice in motor oil either. There is certainly a lot more respect in the real world than there is on here.
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...man this tread turned out for the worse.... Hey boys and girls we are all Vette owners, cant we all get along!
Old May 12, 2019 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by kennyjames21
It's a mix of funny and pathetic when they act high and mighty

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Old May 12, 2019 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Patman
Whenever I hang out with my Corvette buds, not once does the topic of 1LT, 2LT, 3LT ever come up. Nor does anyone ever insult the automatic owners and tell them that they should have bought a manual, and nobody criticizes anyone else's choice in motor oil either. There is certainly a lot more respect in the real world than there is on here.
I think you would agree that respect has to be EARNED - and when someone can't just simply say - "yes a higher optioned car is better than a less optioned car" - you lose respect because your being defensive - not honest. Notice I didn't say a higher optioned car is better for YOU.

How about this - here's a way to prove either side of this argument...why don't each of you call up your Vette dealership and ask them this general question: "What's better? A 3LT or a 1LT?" What do you think they would say? I know what my dealership would say...I know what every dealership would say...and so do you.

Oh and to answer your previous question Pat - yes I bought my 14 3LT used. It was more expensive than other used 2LTs and 1LTs (cause it was better). You really can't do the "more expensive" comparison with a new 1LT vs. a used 3LT because of course a new car is always going to be more expensive but it's certainly not better. FYI - that sort of proves my point even further - I got a BETTER car for LESS...how can anyone argue that...but new vs used is a totally different discussion (or arguement).
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Just because someone doesn't agree with YOUR OPINION shouldn't mean you lose respect for them.

As as aside, did you really sell your C7?
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Originally Posted by Mayor111
Would you agree, that a Z51 is a BETTER corvette than the base? Im not saying which one YOU want - but is it better? I think everyone could easily agree yes it is. Now would you agree that the Z06 is a better corvette than the Z51 - again I think we could agree, yes its better. And of course the king is the ZR1 - that's the BEST corvette made today...
It's not even an argument...its this way with EVERY car manufacturer...the higher optioned cars are considered...BETTER...regardless what you want or buy!
On both of these point syou are wrong. Every vehicle, even models or sub-models of the same car, is a tradeoff in some way shape or form. Being the most expensive doesn't make it better for a particular use or user.

I will use a non-Corvette world example first. Someone likes to surf cast from the beach and needs an suv to do so. They settle on a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Do they pick the $90k Trackhawk or the $55k Trailhawk? The Trackhawk has a 707 hp hemi, reduced ground clearance and low profile summer only tires on 20" rims - while the Trailhawk, which is trail rated, has only a 385 hp hemi, locking front, center and rear differentials, 2" more ground clearance and off-road tires. I would suggest the Trailhawk is the "best" Grand Cherokee for off-roading, while far from the most expensive model sold.
Similarly, someone buys a Corvette to use only as a daily driver and for extended road trips - the base car might be the "best" C7 for them as it offers the best ride, gets the best fuel economy, doesn't need its wheels cleaned every 50 miles, and doesn't have any of the rim and tire issues the GS & Z06 have.

GM offers essentially 5 versions of the C7 (base, Z51, GS, Z06 & ZR1) in two body styles (Coupe and Convertible) and 3 trim levels with lots of stand-alone options because people have different requirements and the C7 has a very wide band with.
Automakers push the top models with the most options for one overarching reason - they make the most money on the sale of that car.

And, by your logic, A C7 that has an A8, in a $995 color, with the two roof option, and a stripe package is a better car than one in black, white, red or gray and no stripes with a M7 and only one roof because it costs more.

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Old May 12, 2019 | 10:32 AM
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I prefer spending my money on the higher level model vs 2LT or 3LT. For instance a 3LT Stingray (without Z51) cost almost as much as a 1LT Grand Sport. As I stated earlier in a Sports car I am fine with the 1LT standard features.
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Originally Posted by V Vette
...man this tread turned out for the worse.... Hey boys and girls we are all Vette owners, cant we all get along!
Yep there is only “what’s best for you.” Great that GM gives us easy and many choices. I have had all 5 Vettes built “just for me” at BG, the way I wanted.

Try that with a Porsche, you’ll get what the dealer thinks you’ll buy at their max profit!

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Originally Posted by Supersonic 427
I prefer spending my money on the higher level model vs 2LT or 3LT. For instance a 3LT Stingray (without Z51) cost almost as much as a 1LT Grand Sport. As I stated earlier in a Sports car I am fine with the 1LT standard features.
I agree 100% as the 3LT option on a base Stingray is within a few hundred $s of the $10,000 GS model up charge. And it's much easier to sell and less depreciation on a 1LT Grandsport than a 3LT Stingray.
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Originally Posted by JerryU
Yep there is only “what’s best for you.” Great that GM gives us easy and many choices. I have had all 5 Vettes built “just for me” at BG, the way I wanted.

Try that with a Porsche, you’ll get what the dealer thinks you’ll buy at their max profit!
LOL HEY JerryU, what's the story... Wrong post for response?
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Originally Posted by Patman
Whenever I hang out with my Corvette buds, not once does the topic of 1LT, 2LT, 3LT ever come up. Nor does anyone ever insult the automatic owners and tell them that they should have bought a manual, and nobody criticizes anyone else's choice in motor oil either. There is certainly a lot more respect in the real world than there is on here.
Same here. No mentions of all those things. What we have here on the forum is the keyboard warrior mentality. These people that are offering nasty, or aggressive comments are not having to face the people in person that they are trolling on the forum.
I just pass on by and disregard this type of discourse.
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Originally Posted by joemessman
Same here. No mentions of all those things. What we have here on the forum is the keyboard warrior mentality. These people that are offering nasty, or aggressive comments are not having to face the people in person that they are trolling on the forum.
I just pass on by and disregard this type of discourse.
Typical ego-driven behavior. I agree, just move on and ignore it. There are a lot of good people here. I just pay attention to them.
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Originally Posted by Patman
Whenever I hang out with my Corvette buds, not once does the topic of 1LT, 2LT, 3LT ever come up.
I do not know about anyone else, but when I am out and see another C7 I am absolutely obsessed with what level of trim the other car has and whether it is a manual or automatic.

Without knowing these things I am unable to decide whether to wave, what level of respect I should show the driver, etc.

I think every Corvette should have emblems indicating the trim level, transmission, etc. so I can quickly make these judgments. I need to know who to shun.
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Originally Posted by Elk
I do not know about anyone else, but when I am out and see another C7 I am absolutely obsessed with what level of trim the other car has and whether it is a manual or automatic.

Without knowing these things I am unable to decide whether to wave, what level of respect I should show the driver, etc.

I think every Corvette should have emblems indicating the trim level, transmission, etc. so I can quickly make these judgments. I need to know who to shun.
Good one!
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3LT. The leather quality and Alcantara trim panels are a nice feature while you're inside of it. Comes with pdr as well.

2LT if you were stretching the budget.

I couldn't see a 1LT for the simple fact that no front cameras and NO LUMBAR adjustments of any type.

How they make a world class sports car that costs 50k plus and not come standard with freaking Lumbar support is beyond me.

Ps. At least the 1LZ has HUD standard. The 1LTs do not

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Originally Posted by joemessman
Same here. No mentions of all those things. What we have here on the forum is the keyboard warrior mentality. These people that are offering nasty, or aggressive comments are not having to face the people in person that they are trolling on the forum.
I just pass on by and disregard this type of discourse.
Same here.
I believe the keyboard warrior mentality has a lot to do with posting under anonymous screen names.
Not only are the dis-respectful and/or insulting comments not face to face but in most instances being posted under anonymity.

I was president of a "collecting" association for years and on the panel that managed/moderated our forum. While anyone could access/read our forum you had to register under your actual name to post. There was hardy ever any disrespect or hostility on our forum as a result of this.
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Originally Posted by Mayor111
So GM wouldn't rank a 3LT as better than a 1LT? GM doesn't consider the Carbon as better than just a standard GS? Really? Again, the 1LT bozos can't listen cause their too hard up to defend their lack-luster purchases... How do you not understand that if a car is more expensive, its ranked, sold and considered as BETTER. How many pictures of a 1LT do you see in a Corvette Sales brochure...one maybe? How many are shown of a 3LT, fully loaded? Umm ALL the rest of them - gee I wonder why? Maybe it's possible they think a 3LT is....(wait for it)....(wait for it)....BETTER?

Like I said...there's no argument...(FYI Kenny - I didn't just win the debate - I crushed it). Us snobby 3LT'ers will just have to accept the 1LT'ers are just happy with mediocrity...unless of course someone one needs to post their "here's why I bought my 1LT" list again...
The only thing you crush is logic, lol. Prices do not automatically make something better, they just differentiate intelligent consumers from SUCKERS, because only a sucker would think a peeling dashboard is superior to one that doesn't. GM charges extra to put a sticker on your hood - some people don't like stickers (OPINIONS!), so to them, the added cost does not make the vette any better, in fact, in many cases they would feel it makes it WORSE (more OPINIONS!) The only argument really left is if you suffered a head injury or if your lack of argument is due to something else. If you want to have some therapy, research the difference between OPINIONS and FACTS. It's all about healing.

PS - I'm just clowning 'I spent 10k on a bunch of second-rate options' boy, I don't have anything against someone who wants a 2LT or 3LT - buy what you want, it's only money, but lets not act all high and mighty because you bought and extra speaker (bose speaker!) and a garage door opener...
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Originally Posted by LIStingray
On both of these point syou are wrong. Every vehicle, even models or sub-models of the same car, is a tradeoff in some way shape or form. Being the most expensive doesn't make it better for a particular use or user.

I will use a non-Corvette world example first. Someone likes to surf cast from the beach and needs an suv to do so. They settle on a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Do they pick the $90k Trackhawk or the $55k Trailhawk? The Trackhawk has a 707 hp hemi, reduced ground clearance and low profile summer only tires on 20" rims - while the Trailhawk, which is trail rated, has only a 385 hp hemi, locking front, center and rear differentials, 2" more ground clearance and off-road tires. I would suggest the Trailhawk is the "best" Grand Cherokee for off-roading, while far from the most expensive model sold.
Similarly, someone buys a Corvette to use only as a daily driver and for extended road trips - the base car might be the "best" C7 for them as it offers the best ride, gets the best fuel economy, doesn't need its wheels cleaned every 50 miles, and doesn't have any of the rim and tire issues the GS & Z06 have.

GM offers essentially 5 versions of the C7 (base, Z51, GS, Z06 & ZR1) in two body styles (Coupe and Convertible) and 3 trim levels with lots of stand-alone options because people have different requirements and the C7 has a very wide band with.
Automakers push the top models with the most options for one overarching reason - they make the most money on the sale of that car.

And, by your logic, A C7 that has an A8, in a $995 color, with the two roof option, and a stripe package is a better car than one in black, white, red or gray and no stripes with a M7 and only one roof because it costs more.
Impossible! Mayor thinks he 'crushed it' and there is no argument. You must be mistaken.



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