1LT vs 2LT package?
Drifting
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Actually - I'll explain something you might not be thinking of while you're being dumb and vulgar.
Would you agree, that a Z51 is a BETTER corvette than the base? Im not saying which one YOU want - but is it better? I think everyone could easily agree yes it is. Now would you agree that the Z06 is a better corvette than the Z51 - again I think we could agree, yes its better. And of course the king is the ZR1 - that's the BEST corvette made today...
Well would you think, that a drop of intelligence would say that a 1LT is NOT better than a 2LT, and a 2LT is NOT better than a 3LT. That a higher optioned car is BETTER. I dont give a **** if you can afford it or not, or you dont like HUD, or emblems are useless...it's still BETTER. A 3LT costs more upfront and renders you a higher resale value at the end...why? Cause its BETTER. A ZR1 costs the most...why? Cause its BETTER. If you would stop trying to "sell" me each of your long lists as to why you wanted a 1LT - you would maybe stop and agree that although maybe you didn't want a 3LT (or 2LT) that it's still BETTER than a 1LT.
It's not even an argument...its this way with EVERY car manufacturer...the higher optioned cars are considered...BETTER...regardless what you want or buy!
Would you agree, that a Z51 is a BETTER corvette than the base? Im not saying which one YOU want - but is it better? I think everyone could easily agree yes it is. Now would you agree that the Z06 is a better corvette than the Z51 - again I think we could agree, yes its better. And of course the king is the ZR1 - that's the BEST corvette made today...
Well would you think, that a drop of intelligence would say that a 1LT is NOT better than a 2LT, and a 2LT is NOT better than a 3LT. That a higher optioned car is BETTER. I dont give a **** if you can afford it or not, or you dont like HUD, or emblems are useless...it's still BETTER. A 3LT costs more upfront and renders you a higher resale value at the end...why? Cause its BETTER. A ZR1 costs the most...why? Cause its BETTER. If you would stop trying to "sell" me each of your long lists as to why you wanted a 1LT - you would maybe stop and agree that although maybe you didn't want a 3LT (or 2LT) that it's still BETTER than a 1LT.
It's not even an argument...its this way with EVERY car manufacturer...the higher optioned cars are considered...BETTER...regardless what you want or buy!
A higher option car is not 'better' to every customer, which is why not every customer buys the higher optioned car. If GM puts a bunch of cheap *** looking stickers on a car and offers it for more money, you might consider it 'better' and be willing to spend more money on the sticker laden car, but that doesn't make it 'better', just more expensive. As a matter of fact, I'd pay more for a car without the stickers because the car with stickers would like like crap to me, thereby making it less valuable in my eyes. It's a matter of OPINION.
The only FACT is that a car with more options is more EXPENSIVE. If I thought the $5k would have made the car "better" for ME, I would have gladly spent another $5k - they didn't make the car better for me, so I didn't get the option package. And the 3LT, which is even more EXPENSIVE, not "BETTER", is something I wouldn't take even if it was cheaper than the 1LT because of the obvious issue with the dash materials.
So again, no regrets here, despite your silly claims that there is no arguing against your broken logic.
Drifting
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It's a mix of funny and pathetic when they act high and mighty because they spent an extra $5k on a $70k car, for front cameras, a garage door opener, a trunk net, another gauge on their windshield, one speaker and the ability to marginally heat and cool their asses, lol.
Race Director
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Sorry chuckles, you can't just say 'it's not even an argument' and think you've won the debate. That type of mindset makes your 'dumb' comment rather ironic. I'll accept vulgar, guilty as charged.
A higher option car is not 'better' to every customer, which is why not every customer buys the higher optioned car. If GM puts a bunch of cheap *** looking stickers on a car and offers it for more money, you might consider it 'better' and be willing to spend more money on the sticker laden car, but that doesn't make it 'better', just more expensive. As a matter of fact, I'd pay more for a car without the stickers because the car with stickers would like like crap to me, thereby making it less valuable in my eyes. It's a matter of OPINION.
The only FACT is that a car with more options is more EXPENSIVE. If I thought the $5k would have made the car "better" for ME, I would have gladly spent another $5k - they didn't make the car better for me, so I didn't get the option package. And the 3LT, which is even more EXPENSIVE, not "BETTER", is something I wouldn't take even if it was cheaper than the 1LT because of the obvious issue with the dash materials.
So again, no regrets here, despite your silly claims that there is no arguing against your broken logic.
A higher option car is not 'better' to every customer, which is why not every customer buys the higher optioned car. If GM puts a bunch of cheap *** looking stickers on a car and offers it for more money, you might consider it 'better' and be willing to spend more money on the sticker laden car, but that doesn't make it 'better', just more expensive. As a matter of fact, I'd pay more for a car without the stickers because the car with stickers would like like crap to me, thereby making it less valuable in my eyes. It's a matter of OPINION.
The only FACT is that a car with more options is more EXPENSIVE. If I thought the $5k would have made the car "better" for ME, I would have gladly spent another $5k - they didn't make the car better for me, so I didn't get the option package. And the 3LT, which is even more EXPENSIVE, not "BETTER", is something I wouldn't take even if it was cheaper than the 1LT because of the obvious issue with the dash materials.
So again, no regrets here, despite your silly claims that there is no arguing against your broken logic.
Last edited by Kevin A Jones; May 10, 2019 at 10:34 PM.
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It's a mix of funny and pathetic when they act high and mighty because they spent an extra $5k on a $70k car, for front cameras, a garage door opener, a trunk net, another gauge on their windshield, one speaker and the ability to marginally heat and cool their asses, lol.
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I guess I'm most surprised by those who are always commenting that the C7 1LT is a stripped down sportscar. 
I own a '96 Tacoma with manual door locks, roll-up windows, MT, std am/fm radio etc, now that's a "stripped down" vehicle for comparison.
1LT Trim/Equipment Package:
A nicely equipped sportscar including 8” touchscreen, Bose AM-FM 9 speaker stereo, 3 month Sirius/XM,MP3, MyLink, OnStar, 4G LTE, 8” HD driver info screen, leather power GT sports seats, power break set/release, power locks/windows, active handling, dual-zone AC, keyless access/start, power tilt/telescopic, leather wrap steering w/flat bottom wheel, cruise control, tire pressure monitor, driver, passenger and side airbags, carbon fiber hood, Bremo 4-piston disc brakes, rear view camera, coup- body color painted carbon fiber roof panels, convertible- power soft-top which can be lowered remotely.
I own a '96 Tacoma with manual door locks, roll-up windows, MT, std am/fm radio etc, now that's a "stripped down" vehicle for comparison.1LT Trim/Equipment Package:
A nicely equipped sportscar including 8” touchscreen, Bose AM-FM 9 speaker stereo, 3 month Sirius/XM,MP3, MyLink, OnStar, 4G LTE, 8” HD driver info screen, leather power GT sports seats, power break set/release, power locks/windows, active handling, dual-zone AC, keyless access/start, power tilt/telescopic, leather wrap steering w/flat bottom wheel, cruise control, tire pressure monitor, driver, passenger and side airbags, carbon fiber hood, Bremo 4-piston disc brakes, rear view camera, coup- body color painted carbon fiber roof panels, convertible- power soft-top which can be lowered remotely.
Melting Slicks
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So GM wouldn't rank a 3LT as better than a 1LT? GM doesn't consider the Carbon as better than just a standard GS? Really? Again, the 1LT bozos can't listen cause their too hard up to defend their lack-luster purchases... How do you not understand that if a car is more expensive, its ranked, sold and considered as BETTER. How many pictures of a 1LT do you see in a Corvette Sales brochure...one maybe? How many are shown of a 3LT, fully loaded? Umm ALL the rest of them - gee I wonder why? Maybe it's possible they think a 3LT is....(wait for it)....(wait for it)....BETTER?
Like I said...there's no argument...(FYI Kenny - I didn't just win the debate - I crushed it). Us snobby 3LT'ers will just have to accept the 1LT'ers are just happy with mediocrity...unless of course someone one needs to post their "here's why I bought my 1LT" list again...
Like I said...there's no argument...(FYI Kenny - I didn't just win the debate - I crushed it). Us snobby 3LT'ers will just have to accept the 1LT'ers are just happy with mediocrity...unless of course someone one needs to post their "here's why I bought my 1LT" list again...
Race Director
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So GM wouldn't rank a 3LT as better than a 1LT? GM doesn't consider the Carbon as better than just a standard GS? Really? Again, the 1LT bozos can't listen cause their too hard up to defend their lack-luster purchases... How do you not understand that if a car is more expensive, its ranked, sold and considered as BETTER. How many pictures of a 1LT do you see in a Corvette Sales brochure...one maybe? How many are shown of a 3LT, fully loaded? Umm ALL the rest of them - gee I wonder why? Maybe it's possible they think a 3LT is....(wait for it)....(wait for it)....BETTER?
Like I said...there's no argument...(FYI Kenny - I didn't just win the debate - I crushed it). Us snobby 3LT'ers will just have to accept the 1LT'ers are just happy with mediocrity...unless of course someone one needs to post their "here's why I bought my 1LT" list again...
Like I said...there's no argument...(FYI Kenny - I didn't just win the debate - I crushed it). Us snobby 3LT'ers will just have to accept the 1LT'ers are just happy with mediocrity...unless of course someone one needs to post their "here's why I bought my 1LT" list again...
Last edited by Kevin A Jones; May 11, 2019 at 10:47 AM.
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Melting Slicks
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Melting Slicks
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This thread isn't about how GM ranks/considers their C7 models/option-trim packages, but what C7 owners and potential owners prefer. Besides, I would expect GM to promote their Carbon 65 Edition as the best since they are trying to get purchasers to pay $15,000 for a few stickers and carbon fiber pieces, just as they do to sell 3LT packages for almost $10,000.
Fatsport - Ill enjoy waxing my 3LT...might want to read a little closer...
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So GM wouldn't rank a 3LT as better than a 1LT? GM doesn't consider the Carbon as better than just a standard GS? Really? Again, the 1LT bozos can't listen cause their too hard up to defend their lack-luster purchases... How do you not understand that if a car is more expensive, its ranked, sold and considered as BETTER.
I'm done with this argument for today, this bozo and his wife are going for a nice long drive in our cheap *** 1LT.
Drifting
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Lumbar/wing adjustment: Health and comfort for my weak back, especially on long drives
Heated/vented seats: A little wimpy, but definitely make a difference, especially in a vert. Very nice to have.
Front camera: If it helps me park, that’s a good thing
10-speaker Bose® premium audio system: If it sounds slightly better than the 9-speaker system, that’s a good thing
Universal Home Remote: Convenient buttons on the visor. No need to have separate clickers knocking around
Auto-dimming mirrors: A good thing
Memory Package: Nice to have, not need to have
Head-Up Display: My absolute fav ... love it, love it, love it. Didn’t know what I was missing til I got it. Could never go back.
Enhanced Theft-Deterrent Package: If it keeps my car from getting stolen, that’s a very good thing
Heated/vented seats: A little wimpy, but definitely make a difference, especially in a vert. Very nice to have.
Front camera: If it helps me park, that’s a good thing
10-speaker Bose® premium audio system: If it sounds slightly better than the 9-speaker system, that’s a good thing
Universal Home Remote: Convenient buttons on the visor. No need to have separate clickers knocking around
Auto-dimming mirrors: A good thing
Memory Package: Nice to have, not need to have
Head-Up Display: My absolute fav ... love it, love it, love it. Didn’t know what I was missing til I got it. Could never go back.
Enhanced Theft-Deterrent Package: If it keeps my car from getting stolen, that’s a very good thing
Melting Slicks
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I bought a 1LT GS and added the extras I wanted:
Auto dim mirror was $111 and 5 minutes to install. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...upgrade-3.html
Homelink garage door opener visor was $190 and 3 minutes to install. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-to-1lt-7.html
Upgraded the 9-speaker Bose system to the 10-speaker system. Cost me about $600 and a few hours of my time. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...subwoofer.html
The rest of the 2LT package has no value to me.
Auto dim mirror was $111 and 5 minutes to install. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...upgrade-3.html
Homelink garage door opener visor was $190 and 3 minutes to install. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-to-1lt-7.html
Upgraded the 9-speaker Bose system to the 10-speaker system. Cost me about $600 and a few hours of my time. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...subwoofer.html
The rest of the 2LT package has no value to me.
For the price of 3LZ I added stage 3 carbon fiber aero, carbon fiber hood vent, Borla Xpipe, Katech ported TB, and APR carbon fiber mirrors and spats. Car is blazing fast and couldn’t be more fun.
I don’t have memory seats though😂
Melting Slicks
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Of course you would say that...GM has no say in what's best...they only design, build and sell them...what the hell do they know vs some redneck mechanic... To answer your question, yes the Carbon is the best within the GS range but the Z06 and ZR1 are better.
Fatsport - Ill enjoy waxing my 3LT...might want to read a little closer...
Fatsport - Ill enjoy waxing my 3LT...might want to read a little closer...
As long as you enjoy your vette, who cares what model or options it is.
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Of course you would say that...GM has no say in what's best...they only design, build and sell them...what the hell do they know vs some redneck mechanic... To answer your question, yes the Carbon is the best within the GS range but the Z06 and ZR1 are better.
Fatsport - Ill enjoy waxing my 3LT...might want to read a little closer...
Fatsport - Ill enjoy waxing my 3LT...might want to read a little closer...
You stated not long ago you sold your used '14 C7, so what are you waxing?
Team Owner
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St. Jude Donor '05
Oh wow, someone got a 3lt lol.
THe 1lt will sell quicker down the road. Carry on
People are whining how come they dont have a 5k set of wheels yet hope a state of the art ME is CHEEP.
Yep GMs going after a different group of buyers all right.
Last edited by cv67; May 11, 2019 at 01:19 PM.
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I am a complete noob here, but have to say that I'm not sure why folks would judge others for what content they chose. I have a 3LT because I personally wanted it. I would never judge someone for wanting a 1LT, or assume that they must have wanted a 3LT but couldn't afford it. At the years I was looking at when looking to buy (2015-2016), there were several 3LT cars which were similar in price to 1LT or 2LT cars. Can't speak for the market everywhere, but here in Florida, there's not much price disparity. When I see a 1LT car, I just assume they wanted the 1LT for whatever their personal, entirely relevant reasons were. That's just me. Can't judge anyone for that. Hell, I bought a Black/Jet Black, so my 3LT interior isn't immediately noticeable to anyone but me. I'm 100% happy, I wanted subtle quality, and I got it.
Edited to add: I forgot to add, completely arbitrary observation here, but on my local Central Florida market, I was seeing 1LT cars I'd had saved getting snapped up, while the three or four "strong contender" 3LT cars which were about two to three grand more just sitting. And I know dealers were ready to deal on those 3LT cars, as mine certainly was, so that two-to-three grand could most likely have been haggled away entirely.
Edited to add: I forgot to add, completely arbitrary observation here, but on my local Central Florida market, I was seeing 1LT cars I'd had saved getting snapped up, while the three or four "strong contender" 3LT cars which were about two to three grand more just sitting. And I know dealers were ready to deal on those 3LT cars, as mine certainly was, so that two-to-three grand could most likely have been haggled away entirely.
Last edited by Quietbreaker; May 11, 2019 at 01:35 PM.
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