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Disagree... the Mclaren's side cove thing is odd looking vs. the Corvette's sexy pronounced hips. If you haven't seen the car in person you really can't comment. If you have, and you don't like it... OK fine, but you're far and away in the minority. GM did a great job with the car. My wife and I saw it in person Monday and loved it. It's a massive leap forward for the car.
Stop it. The C8 has no supernatural properties that make it exempt from the same physical laws that govern the photographs of all other cars. And objects. In the universe. The C8 is IN FACT an extremely boxy and busy design. Love it all you want. Nothing wrong with that. Your taste is your prerogative.But that doesn't stop it from being boxy and busy as all hell. It's what we scientists call "reality."
Originally Posted by Phil1098
Please post this same tired view at least 47 more times. We haven't picked up on your opinion yet. It hasn't grown old and tired, it still seems fresh and insightful. Everyone is listening to you and have cancelled their orders. Get one thing straight, you can cling to the past models, but the ONLY thing you will find yourself is left behind. If you think the C7 is so much better please explain why their are over 4,000 brand new ones on dealer lots today, some dating back to 2016. The buying public could go to a dealer today and buy one, but the sales continue to languish even with huge incentives. Check with Kerbeck on ordering a C8, oh that's right, their 1,500 cars are sold out and are taking orders for the next year.
My comments have nothing to do with "clinging to past models." The C8 is a truly great car. A magnificent automotive achievement. It is also an inexplicably bizarre exterior design. And that design can't be explained away by "price" or "luggage carrying requirements."Both those statements are true. Simultaneously.Do you get that yet?
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My comments have nothing to do with "clinging to past models." The C8 is a truly great car. A magnificent automotive achievement. It is also an inexplicably bizarre exterior design. And that design can't be explained away by "price" or "luggage carrying requirements."
Both those statements are true. Simultaneously.
Do you get that yet?
This. The hype surrounding this car is amazing. To some of the fanboys, it is simply impossible to like the car while not LOVING everything about the car.
Stop it. The C8 has no supernatural properties that make it exempt from the same physical laws that govern the photographs of all other cars. And objects. In the universe. The C8 is IN FACT an extremely boxy and busy design. Love it all you want. Nothing wrong with that. Your taste is your prerogative.
But that doesn't stop it from being boxy and busy as all hell.
It's what we scientists call "reality."
"Boxy and busy as all hell" is your OPINION, not a scientific reality, nor does that make it a FACT.
You think it is boxy and busy design. Fine, I accept your opinion. Please don't mistake your opinion for fact.
I like the design. That is my opinion. I don't begin to think that is a fact. It is just my opinion.
You confusion of "FACTS" and "OPINION" makes your "we scientists" comment particularly suspect.
The last car in the picture above, do you like the "Looks" of it's rear or "side of rear 1/4 panel, Yes or NO?
Is it the same car as pictured below of a C7. YES or NO?
Now is it a Super Car, Yes or NO?
Now look at the picture of the C8 below it. Do both the side view of rear qtr's look similar? Yes or NO?
How about the Rear Ends of both the C7 and C8, do those look similar to one another also, Yes or No?
No. In fact, had they used the C7 design, I think it might've come out better. The extended area for the "Two golf club" nonsense just doesn't look right IMO.
Dang!!!! Did the designers of the C8 carry over the Looks of the C7 qtrs and rear end over into the design of the C8? Crap, surely not!!! But when I look at both sure Looks like it to me. Anyone else Look and See the similarities?
There are styling similarities as with any generation, just as this is similar to the Malibu and Camaro.
Heck, I thought GM had stolen that look from the 2019 McLaren designers, form the picture below!
If GM had used the rounded rear end and not been so boxy, it might actually look good. That's the problem.
This. The hype surrounding this car is amazing. To some of the fanboys, it is simply impossible to like the car while not LOVING everything about the car.
Yup, I don't get it.
The convolutions, the gymnastics, people will go to--all to deny reality and the fact that two different ideas can be true at the same time.
1) "The laws of physics don't apply to photographing the C8."
2) "The design is not busy and blocky compared to other sports cars."
3) "If you think the design is a busy-as-hell mess, you're clinging to the past."
4) "It's not as beautiful as other sports cars because they cost more."
5) "The design had to be brick-like so it could carry golf clubs."
Opinion vs demonstrable fact: is a boxcar streamlined?
Originally Posted by Zymurgy
"Boxy and busy as all hell" is your OPINION, not a scientific reality, nor does that make it a FACT.
You think it is boxy and busy design. Fine, I accept your opinion. Please don't mistake your opinion for fact.
I like the design. That is my opinion. I don't begin to think that is a fact. It is just my opinion.
You confusion of "FACTS" and "OPINION" makes your "we scientists" comment particularly suspect.
I'm sorry. The confusion is yours. There is a difference between the observable and measurable vs feelings about it.
It is, DEMONSTRABLY, an extremely cluttered and blocky design. Those things can be objectively measured. The giant mouth, the giant rear, the strakes in the hood, the strakes on the side, the angles, the doo-dads... Those are all observable and countable.
Loving or hating that demonstrable reality is opinion.
I have no problem with someone who loves it. None whatsoever.
I have a big problem when someone points at a boxcar and tells me that in their opinion it's "really sleek and streamlined."
I'm sorry. The confusion is yours. There is a difference between the observable and measurable vs feelings about it.
It is, DEMONSTRABLY, an extremely cluttered and blocky design. Those things can be objectively measured. The giant mouth, the giant rear, the strakes in the hood, the strakes on the side, the angles, the doo-dads... Those are all observable and countable.
Loving or hating that demonstrable reality is opinion.
I have no problem with someone who loves it. None whatsoever.
I have a big problem when someone points at a boxcar and tells me that in their opinion it's "really sleek and streamlined."
At first I didn't want one (C8) because it didn't have the choice of transmission. But in time, I've come to be more objective on the overall interior and exterior styling, since I was certain that I wouldn't be buying a new 2020. I see what you see. The fan boys are going to stay defensive about their choice to purchase one, and their feelings get hurt by anyone who may have negative things to say about it's styling, etc.
I wasn't excited about the C5's looks, but, it worked good. You get used to the looks. IE The Z51's almost 3,600 lbs. Some rumor now of a 2.8s 0-60 MPH. A 500 HP car doing that has the right proportions, has to.
Furthermore, the C7's rear looks funny. It makes sense though. You have to own it!
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But that doesn't stop it from being boxy and busy as all hell. It's what we scientists call "reality."My comments have nothing to do with "clinging to past models." The C8 is a truly great car. A magnificent automotive achievement. It is also an inexplicably bizarre exterior design. And that design can't be explained away by "price" or "luggage carrying requirements."Both those statements are true. Simultaneously.Do you get that yet?
What I get is the fact you're full of it. The drag coefficient of a box is 2.1 and the C8 is .32, not picking up on what is boxy. Since you are so critical of its appearance, please post your rendering of an improved version.
Not picking up what a brick with lines etched into it looks like
Originally Posted by Phil1098
What I get is the fact you're full of it. The drag coefficient of a box is 2.1 and the C8 is .32, not picking up on what is boxy. Since you are so critical of its appearance, please post your rendering of an improved version.
So. What is the drag coefficient of a 23 year-old C5, Sparky? WELL?
Here's my rendering of REALITY--A beauty pic of the C8 at its very best, from GM itself--a fat, chopped-off *** and a fat, chopped-off front, a tiny greenhouse, with plenty of inexplicable edges, doodads, and angles:
So. What is the drag coefficient of a 23 year-old C5, Sparky? WELL?
Here's my rendering of REALITY--A beauty pic of the C8 at its very best, from GM itself--a fat, chopped-off *** and a fat, chopped-off front, a tiny greenhouse, with plenty of inexplicable edges, doodads, and angles:
Why do people keep thinking they extended the design to fit golf clubs? A V8 with a transaxle bolted to it is long... they naturally had that space over the transaxle and used it. Pretty damn smart IMO.
It's the extreme height of the rear deck many of us aren't fond of. That was the design compromise made for "golf clubs." It looks proportionally too tall to me.
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I guess everyone has different likes/tastes.
