It seems to me on the surface that we seem to have a conflict of interests when it comes to GA events.

Anyone care to enligten me?

Feel free to chime in this thread or drop me a PM.

 

PM sent. Cool avatar by the way!

 

Jay,

Here's a synopsis of what's going on.

Back in June we had planned a mountain run. Jodi (yamahajo) and I usually talked these over beforehand since I knew the roads from my bike days and I lead the group to a few good roads and then to wherever we decided to go for lunch. The week leading up to that Saturday the weather was bad with no sure end in sight for the rain. Talk was made to push it back to Sunday (which we had done the month prior with no problems), but nothing definite had been decided. On the Friday night before, Jodi posted this in the thread at 10:42.
With the weather situation it stood to reason that we might have to bump things back, and it would make sense to watch the thread.

Shortly after that this was posted. The bold is my emphasis.

After that it all went downhill. Postponing a trip to the mountains didn't seem to be that big of a deal. Contrary to what was said it had NOTHING to do with the cars getting wet. The entire issue with that mountain run was safety. It's no fun at all to drive 350-500 hp cars with wide tires on wet, twisty mountain roads. A few people didn't seem to understand that and took it personally. As a result there are 2 "groups" in GA now.

If everyone that stroked out about not going on Saturday had the same attitude as Marc this would have never happened.

Personally I think a lot of it is BS. Jodi was getting slammed for making a responsible decision. I stood by her then, and I still say she did the right thing.

I've kept my mouth shut until now, but since you asked Jay, I thought I'd fill you in.

 

First of all this isn't a "comeback" or any of the sorts. Just facts here. These are concerns that were voiced in the original thread. I don't see how people expect to change plans like this with such short notice at 10:42pm the night before a 7am-9am gathering that some people would have already went to bed early to be wide awake for a cruise through the mountains. There wasn't a SET rain out date posted..it was assumed. Some folks even wanted to show up from out of state, had other obligations on Sunday, or even had in-laws come from the next town over to care for children. That was the issue at hand. The rain only masked that problem. Please PM if you have any questions.

 

Brad, we discussed the weather for 3 to 4 days before the event. There was a 30 to 40% chance of rain on the day of the mountain run. So, the schedule change should have been no surprise to anybody.

I called you personally on Saturday @ 7:00am (day of event) to let you know that we were going to move the event to Sunday. I did this because you were supposed to ride with me.

 

I understand, and as I said, this wasn't to start a crap match. I know that it was mentioned, but never as a group decided upon. Sorry if I have ruffled any feathers, that was not my intent. Carry on all.

 

I was going to just leave it at the PM I sent, but...

As one who went both days I can attest that the weather was almost
identical, even down to the rain during lunch.
Actually on Sunday there more damp places from a morning rain than
on Saturday.
If I recall correctly the forecast difference was 10% - 40% vs 30%.
In either case there was a larger chance of dry than rain... we are
talking Georgia and our not so accurate weather services.
Since then we have been on numerous mountain runs that had similar
predictions and only one actually saw any rain - and that was very light
and short.

As it was, it worked out great for me... I got to go both days, Sat with
my wife, and Sun with my granddaughter. I would have gladly given
that up to save the group. I tried, via many PM's, and failed.

As I understand it there were some very harsh things said in PM's.
I'm not trying to blame one side or the other, especially since I
don't know what was in the PM's on either side.
I think Jodi was doing what she thought best, but didn't take into
consideration the difficulty for some people of changing things at
that late hour. Madman91 in particular had to make arrangements
to take the day off. He couldn't change it at that late hour.

Note that the very first run I ever went on was entirely in the rain
and nobody had a problem... I enjoyed it in spite of the weather.
Good times, good people getting together and enjoying these great
cars!

Well, that's my .02 worth.

 

Jodi made a safety related decision based on the everchanging weather forecast info at hand.

No one was happy about it. Everyone was inconvenienced.

Someday, those who don't understand will get into bad weather up there and have a lousy time...maybe a wreck. I think only then will they understand.

Sometimes things don't go the way you want...like the weather forecast, you can either make the best of it, or you can gripe and then some. There was plenty of both.

 

Well okie dokie, then.

It's up to the members to check on an event thread if weather is going to be a factor. Events here in the NE are called as late as the morning of due to weather.

Go out and have a good time.

 

 

So if you want to 'let it die' why are you still in here? Do I need to PM you a copy of the post from your wife where she said 'done with this forum'? You didn't like how I ran it - left and started your own group - you've made it perfectly clear in multiple posts you don't appreciate this forum, two of your members have already been banned, and at least one more received a ban warning this past week...........you've got your forum, why must you keep coming back in here to start up more issues? Every time your group posts an event, the mods have to come in and lock and delete. You can't even take enough pride in your own group to post it's name in ANY event threads you even start. You post in here, PSP, DC, RC, and I'm only guessing GAvettes as well as the Ga. Island Vettes (forgive me rummy if I got the name wrong, I'm not familiar with it)

So really Dave......you are on THIS many forums, you've made it clear you don't like it here - the members of YOUR site are the ONLY ones who even post in the threads you start here. The only reason you bother coming in here is just to stir up another spat.

If you've forgotten some of your past posts in regards to how you feel about this forum, I'll be more than happy to quote those in this thread.

 

In my opinion this whole situation is matter of a difference of opinions and I don't think that is ever going to change.

Personally I feel bad for the people who were uninvolved, like myself, in the initial confrontation. I was not able to go on either run due to being out of town and when I return I find a situation where I am forced to choose who to associate with???

I never had a problem with Jodi, or Doug, or Bryan. Have much respect for them, their cars, etc. But I also had the same feelings towards the Renegade members and began to associate with them b/c they were very local to my home.

Now, its just gone too far. People have been reduced to mocking group names, getting threads locking, laughing at the other group, etc -and for what benefit??

Listen, I don't want to get myself/my name wrapped up in this b/c its just not that big a deal to me, but all I have to say is if the groups or people, or whoever do not want to be friends then thats fine, but that doesn't mean anyone has to be enemies, and it doesn't mean that anyone should have to stop using the Corvette forum, or any other forum to avoid someone else. Just stop making stabs (EVERYONE). We all know we say things we probably don't mean when we are mad.

Remember we are not here join a chat room, we are here b/c we love Corvettes. Lets ride.

Mike

 

So then quit coming in here and starting arguments. No other forums in the state post all their events in here. Open car shows, fundraisers, major regional events, yes......you are the only group who continually comes in here to post runs when the members of your group are the only ones who even post in the thread to begin with.

You have your forum to post runs. Just as I have this forum, and PSP has theirs. What's the point of starting an entire other group for yourselves just to keep going on in here the same as you were before??

I gave this section over 3 months to calm down, and no sooner do I post an event for the Ga Crew on the forum, then your group barges in and posts one of yours........and no.......your events aren't really open to everyone. Hell, your forum isn't even open to everyone.

As far as the last run. I am the events coordinator. Those who assisted in planning event with me, helped me make the call for the last run. It's quite obvious you didn't care for the choice we made to postpone until the next day due to a higher chance of rain. But that was the safest choice in my opinion. I would not have been able to live with myself if someone wrecked and got injured or killed due to a wreck on a wet road in an event I had planned. And that state of mind will always remain with me. So....I'm sorry if your opinion differs than mine.

The run previous to that we postponed a day due to rain as well. If I recall, all of you attended that postponed run too, without any complaints I may add.

In my opinion, all this needs to come to an end. You didn't like how I ran this forum, so you all left and started your own. There's no reason you should all have to keep coming in here, except for the fact that you must get a kick out of causing so much drama.

 

I am sorry i did not know this was YOUR forum. I thought this was open to the public and everyone could contribute.

We did not barge in here... We had a run planed and wanted to let everyone know. Why? Because everyone is welcome to join in the run..

And the Renegade Corvette forum is open to everyone, so i don't know where you get your info. We have folks from PSP, Classic Glass and a bunch of others.


Again i did not know this was YOUR forum.
Everyone I have met has been because of this forum. That is why I continue to come. It is also a great resource of knowledge.

 

This is not my forum, but I run the events for the Ga Group in here. I was asked personally by the moderators to do so. You all bad talk this forum, yet keep posting in here. When you formed your own little group, you immediately had a bunch of members from here, yet, wouldn't reveal to a certain group of us, where your new site was, or even what the name was. If it weren't for the fact I'm also occasionally on PSP, I still wouldn't know it. Another member of the original group tried to get membership and a user ID on your site and was denied his registration. When you post events in here you still don't even put in your group's name. Just as with major shows that get cross posted in here, who ever the OP is, always adds who is sponsoring the event.

 

1) I do not bad talk this forum. I have said many times this is a great place to meet new people and learn about events in my area.
2) Nothing was a secrete, but because of CF rules we can not post URLs to other Corvette sites. We simply followed the rules.
3) Nope no one is denied. It is completely automated just like here.
4) It is a mountain run not a car show. Not sure how a club can sponsor a mountain run.

I come here because i like this site. I have met a lot of great new friends here that live right down the street from me. Why would i not come back to meet more?

 

No, you personally have not bad talked this forum.....a few other key members of your group have however. (as well as bad-talked a few of us)

Don't know how a group can 'sponsor' a mountain run? Just add your name so others know who is organizing it. The name is stated clearly on other forums....I can copy those posts here if you want.

 

Again other forums do not have the same rules about posting information. We have purposely tried to be low key here on CF because of all the controversy.

All we want to do it let people know there is a mountain run on this day. The last 3 runs we have done have averaged 15 to 16 Corvettes. We have folks from many different clubs come to them with no problems. Everyone has a great time and enjoys themselves and the their wonderful cars.

I look at it this way. The more mountain runs the better. I love to drive my car.

 

wow.