oh god........blose should be the name. I can't even read this thread....

 

This is yet another car audiophile.

 

After replacing the front and rears with Polks and disconnecting the center, it now sounds a lot better. The "subs" are still muddy and lack any pretense of punch. The system is now, "OK", but IMO still garbage for such an impressive car. Ford does it much better with their systems.

 

Not worth the effort

 

That OEM quality is just so awful like the OEM LS3 engine. You have to be kidding. We have yet another who thinks a automobile is a place where a real audiophile can enjoy music.

 

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That's so out of bounds that if it was football, it would be a 15 yard penalty for unnecessary roughness.

He gave his opinion and you gave yours, but he never got personal. We're talking about a system that "most" people who actually listen to the damn thing find lacking. Pretty damn simple.

 

I think Vette Suspension works for bose lol

 

Vette Suspension never said it was a great system. He said that he does not believe it is that bad to him. He seems to have a problem when people say things like "Anyone who thinks the Bose sounds good has never heard a good system" or "if you think the "Bose" system is high end, you are confused". Anything that tells others what they *should* hear seems to set him off. If you think the Bose system sucks that is certainly an opinion shared by most who frequent this section but in all honesty we should not tell others what they should be hearing. I learned this in another one of these Bose threads a few months ago.

I do agree with most of what fej says and I feel that I am an audiophile and have been one for many years. I just don't tell others what they should or should not hear anymore. I was honest in my last post that I wish I did think the factory or Bose system sounded good. I could have saved a couple thousand bucks!

 

I have to say you got him yet again.

My favorite is the marketing shot. Who does not market? Yes, some companies have more marketing money then others. Even the most expensive and best audio companies market. Marketing is not a bad thing.

I also believe that Bose is not the best. Nobody thinks is the best. But, to simply say it sucks is wrong. It is a decent system. I have the Bose and like it. Do I run around and say its the best? No. But, I also do not pretend to be a car audiophile because there is no such thing. Sure you can achieve better sound but at what cost? And in a car is it really that much better? Take the money and enjoy the tunes where it was meant to be listened to and a true audiophile would listen to music at HOME.

I have never seen a aftermarket system that did not look like a 12 year old installed it. My friend has a very expensive system in his Vette and it does sound good. Yet, it looks like his 10 yr old daughter installed it even though a very reputable stereo company installed the system.

 

My 2 cents, after a bit of my history

First install, 41 years ago, how many since then, more than I can remember.

Last install, doing it right now, Morel 9's and Seas full size tweeters in the doors to see if I can get what I want without a sub(stock Bose HU, Arc Audio 4x75w mini amp, doors very very well deadened which means stiffer and sealed up properly and I hope to get lucky and not have to add an EQ but will do so it deemed needed)

Most costly install, Rainbow Reference mids and tweets($7k retail), dual ID custom midbasses, ID DAC and rack mount EQ's, dual IDmax 12's, 3800watts of real power. 250 hours of sound deadening, at least double that in fine tuning the install and system (you can see this in the 7 page article that was in Mobile Entertainment Magazine on my website, RAAMaudio.com/Installs, unfortunately the system was not nearly in tune when reviewed, I wish he could of heard it at it's best!)

What I normally run, one of my older Eclipse 8443 or 8053 HU, Arc 5 channel amp, PE or Seas midbasses, Arc or Seas tweets, Arc 10" sub, dang fine sounding system when done right and well deadened. I could beat most audio comp installs with this simple a system(not talking just making noise with a bunch of "subs", I mean real audiophile, real music.)

Experience, I have beaten a prior world champ twice in two months, I build a totally new system and he built a totally new truck after I beat him the first time, after the second time he quit. I have been fortunate to have learned from some of top installers, manf, etc in the world. I was a judge for awhile have have judged some of the best cars ever built. And, 10+ years specializing in sound deadening. I am not allowed to name names but I had a drummer listen to my all out system that has been on over 600 albums of all sorts of music, sitting in for their drummer because he is better than they are. I played the best drum track ever recorded, Jim Keltner's Improve (on the Sheffield label) and he said if felt and sounded exactly like playing his drums, best compliment I ever had

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Now for my opinions.

1) If you are happy with your stock system, Bose or whatever brand, great!!! (I wish I could be sometimes

2) If not, change it

3) Great audio does not have to cost a great deal of money, I can find used gear or some I just know is an incredible bargain and build a killer system for less than $1k and I would honestly put that up against 99.999% of the installs coming out of the "car audio" shops today, really.

4) Though in the business I also just happen to KNOW, sound deadening is the foundation for any good audio system and will always make a stock one sound much better, some do that and are satisfied

5) Sound deadening is not just about the audio, the techniques are almost exactly alike for deadening road noise and audio upgrade reasons, they go hand in hand.

6) There is a huge difference in what some consider proper deadening, marketing aside, there is merit in many materials and uses and your particular set of values. Very very few know how to do this right, especally at the shop level which is terribly sad.

7) Performance, weight is the enemy as always has been, always will be, I have built race cars with audio systems in it so I could show you can actually do it but of course that is a compromise but less than most would think if done it right (I have a TT car that does 138.4 db on a music track with crystal clear real bass reproduction and did so for 2 minutes average, the 2.2 cubic ft sub enclosure only weights 20 lbs empty, the entire system, HU, amps, mids, tweets, wiring, etc weights under 50 lbs

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I became a member here because I love these cars, I have two now, but they need some help in my opinion, sound deadening and audio upgrades. Both can be done at different levels of investment in time, money and added weight depending on just what you are willing to accept.

BUT, if you are happy with the stock road noise level or audio quality, then I really do meant it, I am GLAD you are

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I will be offering several package options soon, bare bones, mid, upper level, all out killer system, etc...NONE will really be that expensive.

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As for a few posts on this thread,

Please stop bashing each other, though you may not mean it how you word things can be very much a personal attack and that is just not how we are supposed to behave as fellow Vette Enthusiasts

Sincerely
Rick

 

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When music is recorded and the original sound is in the DIRECT CENTER of the stage but you use two microphones to record, one on each side, the sound is reproduced out of TWO stereo speakers, one to the left and one to the right. Now you have two ears hearing the sound from EACH left and right speaker, isn't there speaker crosstalk to one ear to the other and the brain is trying to unscramble this ALTERED and incorrect sound reproduction. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this. I am just raising the issue and I'm NOT going to debate it, let's hear your ideas on this subject (ONE ORIGINAL sound source generated and TWO SOUND OUTPUTS reproduced by the two stereo speakers - left and right).

This ought to create some interesting thoughts.

I won't get into into rear speakers phasing, in or out compared to the front speakers. I'll let you handle this. I can't wait to hear all the ideas.

 

Like others have basically said you sure are cocky. And it is a very unattractive quality in a person.

 

I know all about how MC works, I was offered a full sponsorship with their "super high end" (meaning insanely overpriced decent products) and turned it down because I knew

As for the "crosstalk" etc, I do know I had a major symphony conductor listen to one of the most complex recordings every made and he was quite impressed that he could locate not only every single insturment where it was supposed to be located, he could tell what hall it was recorded in, really

I never bothered to ask the engineer how he had his gear setup to record the session though, wish I could of had the chance to do so!

I am not an engineer though I have worked around some brilliant ones, had great conversations with others, etc..over the years, I wish I had finished school and became one in fact, many things I have done sure would of been easier

Rick

 

you just now noticed that?

 

This got out of hand....Just as an update, not sure if anyone will read this cause I'm not slamming anyone with it...I have installed my Alpine IVA W505 for the features it has. I have sold off the rest of my stuff, at $0 loss, so that was good. For now, I am happy with the bose. Once I get the car running how I want it to, and put some real "testing" to the perfomance end and am happy with that , I am sure I will replace it.

To the vendor @ Raamaudio, thanks for the intelligent response, I will remember your shop name and will talk with you over the winter about some light weight high quality packages. Thanks to all

 

Yes, it did get out of hand a bit. I hope in the future people are careful how they word things and how they come across. Many members are very satisfied with their Bose system and many members have worked very hard to obtain their dream car the Corvette. After all this is the Corvette Forum. There will always be something better then what you have. The point is to try and be civil and not degrade what someone likes or owns unless it's a foreign car.

 

Bought my C4 with the Blose system in it. At the time the car was only 6 years old. I couldn't hear it at all at highway speeds and windows open

I think they might be pretty good when new but don't seem to age well?

 

An excellent idea.

Signed,
A dim witted poser.
Steve