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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 08:03 AM
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I want it to sound as if the apocolypse is at hand when I rev the engine.

As such they'll never hear my music. A sweet burbling V8 is all the aural pleasure I need.

If I want a sweet system, I'll put it in the Tahoe. The CTS-V's sound system is just fine and dandy.
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Some of you said you removed or disconnected the center speaker...what kind of improvment did this make and why???
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Some of you said you removed or disconnected the center speaker...what kind of improvment did this make and why???
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Before you go disconnecting speakers and tearing up your dash try placing a mouse pad or something similar over the speaker to see if you notice any difference at all.
Old Aug 21, 2009 | 01:16 PM
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Some of you said you removed or disconnected the center speaker...what kind of improvment did this make and why???
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For me the difference is that you can hear the stereo separation between the right and left front speakers. For some folks that is not true. With replacement front and rear speakers, dash disconnect that is enough of a "satisfactory" improvement for me for CD and FM at minimal cost.
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Before you go disconnecting speakers and tearing up your dash try placing a mouse pad or something similar over the speaker to see if you notice any difference at all.


Great point. Some will have you tear up your dash first and not think before acting.

Funny thing about this thread is most have not learned or thought through that most people hear things somewhat differently. Sound is music. The sound of music is different to many people. Some may like the Beatles and some will hate them, some will like Barry Manilow and so on. I must admit it is a fun train wreck to watch. And even more so with some who actually believe they are audiophiles because they spend thousands on a auto system or just say the Bose system is no good.
Old Aug 21, 2009 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Vette Suspension
Before you go disconnecting speakers and tearing up your dash try placing a mouse pad or something similar over the speaker to see if you notice any difference at all.
Good advice, I am going to try that tonight, I am curious to se if I notice anything..

Like som others have said, I want to hear th motor and exhaust scream at me and have less use for a system than I thought I would
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Funny thing about this thread is most have not learned or thought through that most people hear things somewhat differently.
Hi,

IIRC, I'm not the only one who has already mentioned this fact on this thread. I strongly agree that it's a very important point.

Some people are happy listening to music on an iPod. Some of us are not. Some people are happy with redbook. Some of us want DSD. Obviously, there were not enough people who truly appreciated DSD. There are many more iPod fans.

Originally Posted by Never Say Never
Sound is music.
You must like the sound of your mother-in-laws voice more than I do.

Originally Posted by Never Say Never
And even more so with some who actually believe they are audiophiles because they spend thousands on a auto system or just say the Bose system is no good.
Spending lotsa money on gear does not make you an audiophile. Knowing to say "the Bose system is no good" does not make you an audiophile. IMO, knowing, and caring about, what to listen for to determine if "the Bose system is no good" is what makes you an audiophile.

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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 02:46 PM
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Hi,

IIRC, I'm not the only one who has already mentioned this fact on this thread. I strongly agree that it's a very important point.

Some people are happy listening to music on an iPod. Some of us are not. Some people are happy with redbook. Some of us want DSD. Obviously, there were not enough people who truly appreciated DSD. There are many more iPod fans.



You must like the sound of your mother-in-laws voice more than I do.



Spending lotsa money on gear does not make you an audiophile. Knowing to say "the Bose system is no good" does not make you an audiophile. IMO, knowing, and caring about, what to listen for to determine if "the Bose system is no good" is what makes you an audiophile.

Best regards,
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No mother-in-law in my life now. Not enough thumbs for that one.

As for the Bose system. It is a decent system for a vehicle. Why so many think that they can spend their way into a becoming respectful audiophile in any car is beyond me.

The Bose certainly could be better and it could be worse. I understand it sounds cool and those that like to blast it believe they know something others do not or believe they get respect by bashing it. Sadly, many are only fooling themselves.
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 02:51 PM
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Bose has very tight control over their sonic signature and system design. They are one of the most demanding audio suppliers to the OEM's. That being said, their "sonic" signature doesnt do it for me. Very compressed, limited deep bass, but very appealing to the majority of customers. For those that put a higher value on sound quality, Bose is not an option. In the audio business, the catch phrase, "no highs no lows, must be Bose" was popular.

The c6 is a great platform for better audio. The factory radio/cd player is decent and the speaker options are awesome. Subwoofers and amplifiers take some creativity, but you can make a C6 sound AWESOME. I say go forward with your system... if audio matters to you. Good luck.
Old Aug 21, 2009 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey's Vette
Hi,

You're not going to like my review and may considers me a poser or pretender.

I spend a lot of money on good sound. I have vintage McIntosh tube gear, modern tube gear, handmade SACD/CD players, modern turntables, etc. One of the main reasons I bought our new house was it has a separate structure that I converted into a sound room and had it professionally designed. I like good sound.

I read a number of positive reviews, on this site, about the Bose system. I expected it to be mid-level based upon the opinions expressed. The first time I turned it on, I was shocked with how bad I considered it to sound. I thought something must have been set poorly at the factory and went through all the audio settings. I did some adjustments and still thought it sounded really bad. Haven't turned it on since. I've played it less than 10 total minutes.

Will GM please send me a refund check?

The good news is my Vette sounds great (love the M2W) and I'd rather listen to my Vette than a stereo.

Just my opinion,
Jeffrey
It could be the setup in the vette as well. I had a premium Bose system that came with my old '04 Maxima that sounded excellent. The Bose speakers (it is only the speakers in the vette that come from Bose BTW) it does not sound nearly as good. I have the the standard sound system in my '06 BMW 750Li that sounds much better as well. I chocked it up to just being a vert and the inherently poor acoustics of the vehicle in general.

At home, I also use the Bose Lifestyle system. I agree that the bass is poor, but I was going for decent sound and hide-away speaker size, which certainly fits the bill. My home theater will have a different system all together.
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Originally Posted by roadking40
Bose has very tight control over their sonic signature and system design. They are one of the most demanding audio suppliers to the OEM's. That being said, their "sonic" signature doesnt do it for me. Very compressed, limited deep bass, but very appealing to the majority of customers. For those that put a higher value on sound quality, Bose is not an option. In the audio business, the catch phrase, "no highs no lows, must be Bose" was popular.

The c6 is a great platform for better audio. The factory radio/cd player is decent and the speaker options are awesome. Subwoofers and amplifiers take some creativity, but you can make a C6 sound AWESOME. I say go forward with your system... if audio matters to you. Good luck.
Car interiors are lousy places for hi-fi audio systems. They’re full of complex shapes, reflective surfaces and electrical interference. They’ve got to overcome the sound of the engine and drone of the road, not to mention absorb axle-snapping potholes without skipping. Even a car like the Bentley, with its double-paned glass, whisper-quiet interior and superplush suspension, poses some serious challenges.

Automakers like Bentley could develop their own systems and make them sound pretty good, but it’s faster, easier and cheaper to bring in the experts. "We will see more and more joint projects/branding happening in the industry," he says. "Many will be ‘pimp-my-ride’ type systems, quick and dirty low-cost add-ons. The true in-depth projects, such as ours, will be less common."



We should put this I'm a car audiophile to bed.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/08/in-car-audio-th/
Old Aug 21, 2009 | 03:50 PM
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Great point. Some will have you tear up your dash first and not think before acting.

Funny thing about this thread is most have not learned or thought through that most people hear things somewhat differently. Sound is music. The sound of music is different to many people. Some may like the Beatles and some will hate them, some will like Barry Manilow and so on. I must admit it is a fun train wreck to watch. And even more so with some who actually believe they are audiophiles because they spend thousands on a auto system or just say the Bose system is no good.
What is so interesting about your post is the diversity in sound taste of individuals from: "purest" (myself) to the "other extreme" (just make noise, anything, and they are happy). What I like is when you replace a live band without electronics with an amphlifer and speaker and can only tell the difference with electronic test equipment; anotherwords, you can't hear the difference.

One of the biggest problem in music today is that it is "tailored" in the recording studio and the hardware manufactures are also "tailoring" the equipment with "builtin equalization", especially in the receivers, no direct or straight through circuit to bypass these imputs. They are trying to makeup for inadequate listing rooms, amphlifers, speakers, music sources, etc. It only takes one weak link in the music source to totally alter the original sound. With high end equipment, you can hear the difference. Even different brands of equipment reproduce, alter, or not reproduce the same sound equally.

What is sad is that I have auditioned better equipment, mainly receivers, and the salesman will let you take it home, hoping that you will like the so called "improved" sound and will not tell you what it is really doing, altering the original sound, now NON PURIST! That is misleading and fraud.

Have a nice day and good listening!
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This thread is classic.

To the original poster, a sub setup is usually pretty easily removable. I have a 6 speaker front setup in my C5z with 2 amps, and pulling the sub enclosure when I autocross or head to an HPDE, the remaining system adds about 15lbs over stock.

Car audio is all about compromise in a very difficult environment for playback. What "your " ears like, may sound like horrible noise to "my" ears.

To those of you that like the Bose system, awesome. To those of you that think the system is "high end" or even "above average"; you are highly confused and have a skewed reference point.

The rest of the comments here I won't even get in to.

Wanna be audiophile Fej
Old Aug 21, 2009 | 06:08 PM
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This thread should die a quick death since it was moved here....

If you like the Bose system or regular C6 factory system that is great. You just saved yourself a whole heap of money on replacing everything. Some of us aren't lucky enough to think any of the C6 factory systems sound acceptable, even in a car.
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This thread is classic.

To the original poster, a sub setup is usually pretty easily removable. I have a 6 speaker front setup in my C5z with 2 amps, and pulling the sub enclosure when I autocross or head to an HPDE, the remaining system adds about 15lbs over stock.

Car audio is all about compromise in a very difficult environment for playback. What "your " ears like, may sound like horrible noise to "my" ears.

To those of you that like the Bose system, awesome. To those of you that think the system is "high end" or even "above average"; you are highly confused and have a skewed reference point.

The rest of the comments here I won't even get in to.

Wanna be audiophile Fej
Good post, except you do contradict yourself a bit.
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How so? I would think most people in this section would consider me to be one of those "so called audiophile" types. I have put together pretty much every conceivable car audio system in a car, from 2 6x9's on the back deck with a 20w amp, to HLCD's under the dash (google it), to a custom 3 way front stage with full active crossover and EQ control.

No matter what you do in a car (regardless of the car even), you still sit on one side, you still have plastic and glass reflections everywhere, and you still have road/engine/exhaust noise fighting (and usually winning) against your midbass performance.

Not sure how I contradict myself, been doing this 20+ years, I just am intelligent enough to know that there are diminishing returns with a very steep slope in this world. And the fact that some people like the underperforming, outdated componentry, and backwards thinking signal manipulation that Bose offers. And there is not a damn thing wrong with that. To each their own. Personally the last good thing Bose made was the x01 series of speakers (201,301, 501, 701 etc).

You also do not have to spend $3k on a stereo to get improved performance over the factory options. But we are dealing with Corvettes, where more expense must mean it is better

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How so? I would think most people in this section would consider me to be one of those "so called audiophile" types. I have put together pretty much every conceivable car audio system in a car, from 2 6x9's on the back deck with a 20w amp, to HLCD's under the dash (google it), to a custom 3 way front stage with full active crossover and EQ control.

No matter what you do in a car (regardless of the car even), you still sit on one side, you still have plastic and glass reflections everywhere, and you still have road/engine/exhaust noise fighting (and usually winning) against your midbass performance.

Not sure how I contradict myself, been doing this 20+ years, I just am intelligent enough to know that there are diminishing returns with a very steep slope in this world. And the fact that some people like the underperforming, outdated componentry, and backwards thinking signal manipulation that Bose offers. And there is not a damn thing wrong with that. To each their own. Personally the last good thing Bose made was the x01 series of speakers (201,301, 501, 701 etc).

You also do not have to spend $3k on a stereo to get improved performance over the factory options. But we are dealing with Corvettes, where more expense must mean it is better

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This thread is classic.

To the original poster, a sub setup is usually pretty easily removable. I have a 6 speaker front setup in my C5z with 2 amps, and pulling the sub enclosure when I autocross or head to an HPDE, the remaining system adds about 15lbs over stock.

Car audio is all about compromise in a very difficult environment for playback. What "your " ears like, may sound like horrible noise to "my" ears.

To those of you that like the Bose system, awesome. To those of you that think the system is "high end" or even "above average"; you are highly confused and have a skewed reference point.

The rest of the comments here I won't even get in to.

Wanna be audiophile Fej
One sentance you state what "your" ears like, may sound like a horrible noise to "my" ears.

Another, those of you that think the system is "high end" or even "above average" you are highly confused and have a skewed reference point.

Now according to your first sentance "your" reference point may be skewed. Just because someone spends thousands on a system does not make it better. Just as you could spend thousands of dollars on Rosie O'donell trying to make her attractive and she would still look nasty.


Car interiors are lousy places for hi-fi audio systems. They’re full of complex shapes, reflective surfaces and electrical interference. They’ve got to overcome the sound of the engine and drone of the road, not to mention absorb axle-snapping potholes without skipping. Even a car like the Bentley, with its double-paned glass, whisper-quiet interior and superplush suspension, poses some serious challenges.

Automakers like Bentley could develop their own systems and make them sound pretty good, but it’s faster, easier and cheaper to bring in the experts. "We will see more and more joint projects/branding happening in the industry," he says. "Many will be ‘pimp-my-ride’ type systems, quick and dirty low-cost add-ons. The true in-depth projects, such as ours, will be less common."





http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/08/in-car-audio-th/
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you could spend thousands of dollars on Rosie O'donell trying to make her attractive and she would still look nasty.
I don't see how anyone can argue against that

I'm guessing this thread started in C6 Gen, not the audio section.

Regardless of anyones OPINION about audio gear, one thing remains true....



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Originally Posted by Vette Suspension
One sentance you state what "your" ears like, may sound like a horrible noise to "my" ears.

Another, those of you that think the system is "high end" or even "above average" you are highly confused and have a skewed reference point.

Now according to your first sentance "your" reference point may be skewed. Just because someone spends thousands on a system does not make it better. Just as you could spend thousands of dollars on Rosie O'donell trying to make her attractive and she would still look nasty.


Car interiors are lousy places for hi-fi audio systems. They’re full of complex shapes, reflective surfaces and electrical interference. They’ve got to overcome the sound of the engine and drone of the road, not to mention absorb axle-snapping potholes without skipping. Even a car like the Bentley, with its double-paned glass, whisper-quiet interior and superplush suspension, poses some serious challenges.

Automakers like Bentley could develop their own systems and make them sound pretty good, but it’s faster, easier and cheaper to bring in the experts. "We will see more and more joint projects/branding happening in the industry," he says. "Many will be ‘pimp-my-ride’ type systems, quick and dirty low-cost add-ons. The true in-depth projects, such as ours, will be less common."





http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/08/in-car-audio-th/
You got him on that for sure. Sounds like a contradiction to me.



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