New crate engine is now a steam engine....bad problem...
Drifting
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From: East Waterboro Maine
Originally Posted by big_G
Aliens from the planet "Moderatus" have abducted MsVetteMan!
That's just what this thread needs, more drama!
10 days!
Like everyone I'm pretty anxious to see what his machine shop had to say...
Drifting
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From: Hill AFB area Utah
shouldnt the dog thread have been in OT anyway ? it certainly was OT from corvettes the only tie was the owner of the dog owned a vette ...BTW just keepin the thread at the top I am looking forward to a favorable resolution to this as well Good luck
Safety Car
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Yeah, maybe it should have been an off-topic post but if you are experiencing a devastating loss ( and dont anyone dare say its only a "DOG" ) The first place you'd post it would be where you usually (and feel more at home @) post your other posts,,,tech or general. I sometimes go and lurk @ O/T and there are just to many weirdo 's hanging and posting there,,,Peace, Moosie 
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Melting Slicks
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From: Cruising somewhere in St. Louis, Missouri
Originally Posted by luerja
I have word from the dark side.... and it looks like they want to keep MsVetteMan for 10 days.... I will feed info to the thread as i get it. 
as of 3/16/06 in the morning...there is no word from the engine builders yet.
Jim
as of 3/16/06 in the morning...there is no word from the engine builders yet.
Jim
I had posted this earlier...... Still have heard no word from him for a while.... he will get back to me as soon as he knows something.
I think an engine company kidnapped him and now he is there parts $itch for the next 10 days…. He has to drive a small pickup around and make part runs, pick up their lunch and take their verbal abuse…lol
Last edited by luerja; Mar 16, 2006 at 04:15 PM.
Melting Slicks
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From: Cruising somewhere in St. Louis, Missouri
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Here's the scoop from the 3rd party inspection. THE RING GAP WAS SET PROPERLY. The engines was as advertised, did indeed seem to be put together correctly, and the parts were of very good quality including crank and rods. However, in their opinion it was not caused by either fuel or timing detonation. It was what they classify as a classic engine failure, which happens. The bores check out correctly even though some varied by a few thousands off. The piston sides were not scarred as would be the case with extreme detonation.
It was a coincidence that a well known big hot rodder (who also builds engines) was in the shop yesterday (Gary somebody) and he took a look at it, and confirmed it did not look like detonation.
Sometimes, as they say, crap happens!
Gonna pick it up tomorrow and ship it to Marshall Engines for their inspection and will once again have to wait patiently for their reply.
I'm sure they will do the right thing, and as I said before, if they do, they couldn't have paid enough money for this type advertising. It appears from a build standpoint, they are 100% legit. I got what I paid for, it just failed.
I keep you guys informed. (And thanks Jim for posting this as I now have to return to my corner.)
MsVetteMan
It was a coincidence that a well known big hot rodder (who also builds engines) was in the shop yesterday (Gary somebody) and he took a look at it, and confirmed it did not look like detonation.
Sometimes, as they say, crap happens!
Gonna pick it up tomorrow and ship it to Marshall Engines for their inspection and will once again have to wait patiently for their reply.
I'm sure they will do the right thing, and as I said before, if they do, they couldn't have paid enough money for this type advertising. It appears from a build standpoint, they are 100% legit. I got what I paid for, it just failed.
I keep you guys informed. (And thanks Jim for posting this as I now have to return to my corner.)
MsVetteMan
Instructor
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From: Hollywood FL
Originally Posted by luerja
I got what I paid for, it just failed.
MsVetteMan
MsVetteMan
I think they'll do right by you though. If it was me I think I'd take a refund and go straight to a local builder or maybe look at a GMPP crate motor. Good luck whatever you decide.
Instructor
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From: St Louis Missouri
Classic engine failure? WTF is that? Does that mean that it was a classic engine that failed? Maybe it’s the same as old engine failure. I know it’s good news that they stated it wasn’t done by detonation, and that’s all you really wanted, but that is a miserable excuse for investigative engineering. I hope you didn’t pay too much for that insightful information. Were you able to get documentation of the tests they performed?
I’m glad to hear that you’ll be at ease, but I don’t think that “classic engine failure” is a good enough diagnosis. Next time finish a long thread with something exciting like the block was week because the previous owner used it to transport drugs into the country and it was seized by the FBI. They had to cut it into pieces for evidence and are going to replace the engine with a …….
Classic Engine Failure (CEF) what a bunch of crap.
Thanks for the drama, let us know what Marshal does with it.
I’m glad to hear that you’ll be at ease, but I don’t think that “classic engine failure” is a good enough diagnosis. Next time finish a long thread with something exciting like the block was week because the previous owner used it to transport drugs into the country and it was seized by the FBI. They had to cut it into pieces for evidence and are going to replace the engine with a …….
Classic Engine Failure (CEF) what a bunch of crap.
Thanks for the drama, let us know what Marshal does with it.
Melting Slicks
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From: Norfolk VA
Originally Posted by MonzaRedConvert
Well, not exactly. You paid for a .030 over motor, not .040. I could be wrong, but I don't think 350 blocks can normally go to .060. That means when a .040 engine is worn out the block is junk. A .030 engine could be rebuilt again. Also, a .004 variation in bore size seems like an awful lot. So that cylinder with the .044 bore would have like .006 P/W clearance. To me that's way too much on a new engine. Just those 2 things make me skeptical of the quality.
I think they'll do right by you though. If it was me I think I'd take a refund and go straight to a local builder or maybe look at a GMPP crate motor. Good luck whatever you decide.
I think they'll do right by you though. If it was me I think I'd take a refund and go straight to a local builder or maybe look at a GMPP crate motor. Good luck whatever you decide.
Race Director
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classic engine failure..what a joke. What did they measure on the bores? The different bore sizes or if they are all straight? Did they measure ring gap at several locations in the bore? Every failure has a reason, there's no such thing as something just failing for no reason.
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Originally Posted by Twin_Turbo
Every failure has a reason, there's no such thing as something just failing for no reason.
Ring lands don't break and cylinders don't crack for fun. Either they couldn't figure it out, or, being engine builders themselves, they just didn't want to point any fingers.Hopefully, Blueprint motors will step up the plate and not point any fingers either.
Last edited by The_Dude; Mar 16, 2006 at 05:36 PM.
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Classic engine failure ? 
If one ring land breaks, could be a defective piston or ring , if two ring lands break in the same motor there is a reason for it, it just doesn't happend by chance. 
If one ring land breaks, could be a defective piston or ring , if two ring lands break in the same motor there is a reason for it, it just doesn't happend by chance.
somebody got screwed at least once 