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Interesting what popped up in the email today. This might be an alternative to the borgeson, but costs a lot more. Anyone ever gone down this path yet?
I did my own- used a newer design off a Nissan Cube- uses a second design torque sensor and no need for an external control like the old Saturn VUE piece.
Mounted mine on the outside of the firewall- the EAS says theirs mounts on the inside. I really don't think there is room. I spoke with a guy from EAS at IIRC Hotrod Power tour or a Summit Racing Motorama-
and he was not really knowledgeable on the C3. I have their literature and looked over the install PDF- but it doesn't show any pics of it in a C3 where the motor goes.
There's not a lot of room around the column-
And I'm a little baffled on where they are placing the motor? See pics
If you are considering adding a Borgeson power steering setup and don't have room to add a power steering pump or don't want to mess with your accessory belts, you can use an electric power steering pump to supply fluid to the Borgeson.
I use a power steering pump from a Volvo. The Volvo pump has it's own fluid reservoir and all it needs to run is 12V battery power, a good ground and a low power 12 volt connection to an ignition or accessory wire to turn it on. Like normal power steering pumps it has a supply and return line, but unlike normal pumps it can placed anywhere.
I mounted the pump in the location where the vapor canister used to be. It's hidden away and can barely be seen from the engine bay. In the volvo, it has a two part mount with rubber isolaters. I threw away the upper part of the mount and tied the lower part of the mount to the frame.
The high pressure outlet is 16mm x 1.5, same as the return of the Borgeson., but the Volvo one is deeper.
The return line is plastic barb that fit a 3/8" hose.
The ignition signal wire that turns the unit on only draws 2.2 milliamps, so any 12V signal can drive it.
I tested the pump with a power supply instead of the battery and it only drew about 20 amps while turning the wheel in default mode. Just under 10 amps when not turning.
I got mine fro a 2006 Volvo S40 for $30 at a pick and pull. They are in 2004 - 2012 cars. I've been told that the same pump is used in C70 and many other models as well.
The Red wire goes to a fuse and directly to the battery. I use one of those separate MAXI fuse holders and a 80 amp fuse. The Black wire to a good chassis ground. The two twisted wires are not connected, they were for canbus but are not needed as this pump works fine in default mode. The small green wire goes to ignition or accessory or you can just connect it to a switch and turn the pump on manually. When the pump is turned on, there is about a 2 second delay before it starts up. The pump motor is a 3 phase brushless motor and the pump draws less current when no steering input is needed and more when turning.
I've been running this combo for thousands of miles already. It's working flawlessly.
For me the steering feel with this combo is perfect and it doesn't feel overpowered on the highway and I can easily turn the steering wheel when it's parked.
I like the concept of electric steering system. But what is the purpose of the steering wheel if you have electric steering? Why not just put a joystick at the front end of the e-brake housing (heck, make the E-brake electrically actuated, too) and dump the steering wheel altogether. That will lighten the car and make it safer!! If you went all the way with electric actuated master cylinder, you could operate the vehicle with ONLY the joystick. Either passenger could drive!
I've been amazed that some major brand hasn't done this yet...
Why not just put a joystick at the front end of the e-brake housing (heck, make the E-brake electrically actuated, too) and dump the steering wheel altogether.
Steering wheel gives much more resolution that a joystick can. Also feedback is at a higher resolution.
And that's why jet jockeys have a steering wheel....
Boeing = Steering Wheel. Airbus = Joy Stick Maybe that's why there is the saying " Boeing or I'm not going " But then a again Sully did a pretty good job of putting it down in the Hudson with a Joy Stick.
If you are considering adding a Borgeson power steering setup and don't have room to add a power steering pump or don't want to mess with your accessory belts, you can use an electric power steering pump to supply fluid to the Borgeson.
I use a power steering pump from a Volvo. The Volvo pump has it's own fluid reservoir and all it needs to run is 12V battery power, a good ground and a low power 12 volt connection to an ignition or accessory wire to turn it on. Like normal power steering pumps it has a supply and return line, but unlike normal pumps it can placed anywhere.
I mounted the pump in the location where the vapor canister used to be. It's hidden away and can barely be seen from the engine bay. In the volvo, it has a two part mount with rubber isolaters. I threw away the upper part of the mount and tied the lower part of the mount to the frame.
The high pressure outlet is 16mm x 1.5, same as the return of the Borgeson., but the Volvo one is deeper.
The return line is plastic barb that fit a 3/8" hose.
The ignition signal wire that turns the unit on only draws 2.2 milliamps, so any 12V signal can drive it.
I tested the pump with a power supply instead of the battery and it only drew about 20 amps while turning the wheel in default mode. Just under 10 amps when not turning.
I got mine fro a 2006 Volvo S40 for $30 at a pick and pull. They are in 2004 - 2012 cars. I've been told that the same pump is used in C70 and many other models as well.
The Red wire goes to a fuse and directly to the battery. I use one of those separate MAXI fuse holders and a 80 amp fuse. The Black wire to a good chassis ground. The two twisted wires are not connected, they were for canbus but are not needed as this pump works fine in default mode. The small green wire goes to ignition or accessory or you can just connect it to a switch and turn the pump on manually. When the pump is turned on, there is about a 2 second delay before it starts up. The pump motor is a 3 phase brushless motor and the pump draws less current when no steering input is needed and more when turning.
I've been running this combo for thousands of miles already. It's working flawlessly.
For me the steering feel with this combo is perfect and it doesn't feel overpowered on the highway and I can easily turn the steering wheel when it's parked.
Great info. I'm about to do the same, being sick of problems with the factory belt driven pumps on my car. My pump is from a Holden/Vauxhall Astra, but looks quite similar.
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Originally Posted by DblTrbl
If you are considering adding a Borgeson power steering setup and don't have room to add a power steering pump or don't want to mess with your accessory belts, you can use an electric power steering pump to supply fluid to the Borgeson.
I use a power steering pump from a Volvo. The Volvo pump has it's own fluid reservoir and all it needs to run is 12V battery power, a good ground and a low power 12 volt connection to an ignition or accessory wire to turn it on. Like normal power steering pumps it has a supply and return line, but unlike normal pumps it can placed anywhere.
I mounted the pump in the location where the vapor canister used to be. It's hidden away and can barely be seen from the engine bay. In the volvo, it has a two part mount with rubber isolaters. I threw away the upper part of the mount and tied the lower part of the mount to the frame.
The high pressure outlet is 16mm x 1.5, same as the return of the Borgeson., but the Volvo one is deeper.
The return line is plastic barb that fit a 3/8" hose.
The ignition signal wire that turns the unit on only draws 2.2 milliamps, so any 12V signal can drive it.
I tested the pump with a power supply instead of the battery and it only drew about 20 amps while turning the wheel in default mode. Just under 10 amps when not turning.
I got mine fro a 2006 Volvo S40 for $30 at a pick and pull. They are in 2004 - 2012 cars. I've been told that the same pump is used in C70 and many other models as well.
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The Red wire goes to a fuse and directly to the battery. I use one of those separate MAXI fuse holders and a 80 amp fuse. The Black wire to a good chassis ground. The two twisted wires are not connected, they were for canbus but are not needed as this pump works fine in default mode. The small green wire goes to ignition or accessory or you can just connect it to a switch and turn the pump on manually. When the pump is turned on, there is about a 2 second delay before it starts up. The pump motor is a 3 phase brushless motor and the pump draws less current when no steering input is needed and more when turning.
I've been running this combo for thousands of miles already. It's working flawlessly.
For me the steering feel with this combo is perfect and it doesn't feel overpowered on the highway and I can easily turn the steering wheel when it's parked.
Just for kicks, do you have a feel for the weight of that pump? I'm always on the lookout for items that reduce weight or allow a change in weight distribution. I'm currently running an aluminum type II p/s pump, so I don't expect that there's weight to shed with an electric pump, but there is the possibility of taking the current pump weight off the left side, and adding the electric pump weight to the right side of the car.
Just for kicks, do you have a feel for the weight of that pump? I'm always on the lookout for items that reduce weight or allow a change in weight distribution. I'm currently running an aluminum type II p/s pump, so I don't expect that there's weight to shed with an electric pump, but there is the possibility of taking the current pump weight off the left side, and adding the electric pump weight to the right side of the car.
Thanks.
Sorry, did not weigh it before the install. It's definitely heavier than an aluminum pump. The housing is light aluminum as well, but the motor and the pump gears are probably not. Prob close to a stock GM pump weight if I had to guess. Should be no problem moving it, my hoses are long. I use a metal high pressure side tubing and I've looped it purposely to allow it to cool the fluid more than a direct line.
Boeing = Steering Wheel. Airbus = Joy Stick Maybe that's why there is the saying " Boeing or I'm not going " But then a again Sully did a pretty good job of putting it down in the Hudson with a Joy Stick.
I don't think that what jets use can truly be called a joy stick. I have no first hand jet experience but I would imagine that a jet's yoke is attached to the floor and between the pilots legs. Lots of throw on a floor mounted yoke as compared to a joy stick. I can see how fighter planes need to go from full left to full right instantaneously and a yoke is better for that.
I can just imagine driving a car with a joy stick and sneezing while holding a joy stick. That would send me into the neighboring county.
(a little too high-tech for me, though)
Electric Power steering conversion
