TPiS Mini-Ram vs. Accel Intake system
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The difference between the two is minimal, they are going to produce the same power numbers and curves.
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StealthRam only change,,, ran 1.8x 60s, near identical ET, 2 more mph but I had to shift at 6400/6200 rpm.
I liked the FIRST better for that particular combination - much more fun to play around with,,, and I consider myself an old school single plane carb kinda guy.
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It's very hard to pick an intake.
Cubic inches and your HP goal is a HUGE "must know" when picking an intake.
I myself have been in miniram's with 383, and there is no loss of torque. I have been in cars with Superram's, Steathram's, TPI's, and Miniram's. I have always been impressed with the 3 inch runner design. After riding in a 383 and a 350 with a Superram, I made up my mind quickly that I would never want a Superram intake on my car so I sold mine.
Cubic inches and your HP goal is a HUGE "must know" when picking an intake.
I myself have been in miniram's with 383, and there is no loss of torque. I have been in cars with Superram's, Steathram's, TPI's, and Miniram's. I have always been impressed with the 3 inch runner design. After riding in a 383 and a 350 with a Superram, I made up my mind quickly that I would never want a Superram intake on my car so I sold mine.
Different strokes for different folks. The ease of installing a Miniram is also a huge bonus. I dont want to get into a pissing match. For me the Miniram is where it's at. I am building a big stroker motor. I am sure it will perform well, and I will have more torque (approx.460rwtq) then I know that to do with.
A few years back I drove an LT4 which was stock. It went really well, and that was stock cubic inches with a short runner intake. A miniram will work on stock cubic inches from 350 and on......
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I knew I joined this forum for a reason! Thanks for the great responses to my question. If I'm weighing the good against the bad and knowing where I want my power (low to mid/high mid range), it looks like the Accel SuperRam Intake w/High Flow Runners are the right choice for me. It will give me a nice boost in power and torque as well as allow me to keep the EGR valve. Now, does anybody have an extra grand laying around that they could lend me? 
Thanks again everyone!
Thanks again everyone!
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I would like some input to help me - not trying to hijack. Wouldn't a manual trans & headers/catback alleviate some of the low-end loss of the miniram on a stock head/cam car?
And in regard to the true SR setup - mainly plenum/runners, can the install be done w/o taking any rockers off? Valve covers understandable, but I don't want the hassle of adjustment. Can anyone comment? I've searched here and elsewhere, and have seen conflicting experiences.
And in regard to the true SR setup - mainly plenum/runners, can the install be done w/o taking any rockers off? Valve covers understandable, but I don't want the hassle of adjustment. Can anyone comment? I've searched here and elsewhere, and have seen conflicting experiences.
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I would like some input to help me - not trying to hijack. Wouldn't a manual trans & headers/catback alleviate some of the low-end loss of the miniram on a stock head/cam car?
And in regard to the true SR setup - mainly plenum/runners, can the install be done w/o taking any rockers off? Valve covers understandable, but I don't want the hassle of adjustment. Can anyone comment? I've searched here and elsewhere, and have seen conflicting experiences.
And in regard to the true SR setup - mainly plenum/runners, can the install be done w/o taking any rockers off? Valve covers understandable, but I don't want the hassle of adjustment. Can anyone comment? I've searched here and elsewhere, and have seen conflicting experiences.
I had to take off 2 rockers.
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The last time I had the Miniram on a stockish but cammed motor, I have done better 1/8th mile ETs than 6 speed LS1 Camaros who told me they had "bolt ons." Well they couldn't get off the line quick enough. If I still had this set up, I would still love trying to experiment with it. The Miniram on a stock motor is essentially a stock LT1. I'm sure the dyno numbers are similar. I just can't see how a stock motor with a Miniram and good tune couldn't attain at least 300 crank hp, or 260ish rwhp.
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Uhhhh, it can't be both! The right cam can add a lot to low-end performance.
In what car, at what weight? What gears? Too vague....
As long as you change the (L98) exhaust/headers, improve head flow, and increase cam lift by .5", I agree. In reality, the mini looses about 10% torque under 4k rpms (vs long-tube runners). Obviously, it gains it back above that -- plus more. The end result can be a faster car -- as long as you keep the rpms up HIGH. Do most people do that on the street?
I agree, but most people don't look at WHERE the power band exists. Are we talking street application or racing? If the application was racing, heads, cam and other items would be included as part of the mods -- and I wouldn't be responding to your post.
To the OP:
The superram may or may not be available. I had one person email me saying it could still be special ordered thru Jegs (etc...) I've never seen a post where someone actually got one that way. You probably have to find one used on eBay. And, used ones might be the ones people had more trouble with....
To the OP:
The superram may or may not be available. I had one person email me saying it could still be special ordered thru Jegs (etc...) I've never seen a post where someone actually got one that way. You probably have to find one used on eBay. And, used ones might be the ones people had more trouble with....
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upper right hand corner of this link - call 'em, you can get it.
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ITo the OP:
The superram may or may not be available. I had one person email me saying it could still be special ordered thru Jegs (etc...) I've never seen a post where someone actually got one that way. You probably have to find one used on eBay. And, used ones might be the ones people had more trouble with....
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And, no one calls the Large-tube runners a superram, but they do call the base the superram base.
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Out of curiosity, how exactly did you come to the conclusion that the Super Ram was the problem and not something else like the cam, heads, ect....
FWIW, if you stud the SR it goes on and off pretty easily, I can get the plenum off in 1/2 hour, and the runners in another 1/2 hour. The real bitch is the valve covers are in the way, and that only adds about 10 minutes.
Which has nothing to do with anything...
FWIW, if you stud the SR it goes on and off pretty easily, I can get the plenum off in 1/2 hour, and the runners in another 1/2 hour. The real bitch is the valve covers are in the way, and that only adds about 10 minutes.
Which has nothing to do with anything...
Superram is a pain in the butt to work with. You need to stud it? Which is modifying it. Like I said. I like the Miniram. I have been in a few LTx, and a few early C4's with the miniram installed, and I loved the way it pulled with the flat torque curve.
I am not going to argue with you. I know you installed the Superram which is great. I hope it performs for you, and you like it. I on the other hand have had good experiences with the Miniram, and it suits my built much better then the Superram.
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It won't produce the improvement in performance that the Miniram will.
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Superram is a pain in the butt to work with. You need to stud it? Which is modifying it. Like I said. I like the Miniram. I have been in a few LTx, and a few early C4's with the miniram installed, and I loved the way it pulled with the flat torque curve.
I am not going to argue with you. I know you installed the Superram which is great. I hope it performs for you, and you like it. I on the other hand have had good experiences with the Miniram, and it suits my built much better then the Superram.
I thought you can teach me something, guess not. Note GREGGPENN's posts, they are always informative and chock full of information. I learn from his posts. He has something to teach.