6.0 LS Swap/Build
Drifting
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From: DFW TX
Something like these?
On a side note, my swap was done with the the cross member extensions and BB Mopar type mounts and stock C5 pedestals.
Burning Brakes
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From: Airdrie Alberta
I really doubt that the C5/C6 headers will fit on a C4. There is more room behind the engine on a C5/C6 because they use a torque tube system. We have a transmission bolted the engine.
I run the shorties and made my own 3in collector. 3/8in plate and cut a 3in hole. Welded a 3in short 90 exhaust. Lots of room. Speed Engineering has a bunch of long tube headers for other vehicles that you could try. Worst case you send them back. I would try to find a set of headers that come straight down from the middle of the engine, then back.
How does the engine look? Have you measured the taper on a few cylinders yet? How about the bearings?
Jegs has a $1000 4in stroker kit for the 6.0L
https://www.jegs.com/i/Speedmaster/7....1040/10002/-1
I run the shorties and made my own 3in collector. 3/8in plate and cut a 3in hole. Welded a 3in short 90 exhaust. Lots of room. Speed Engineering has a bunch of long tube headers for other vehicles that you could try. Worst case you send them back. I would try to find a set of headers that come straight down from the middle of the engine, then back.
How does the engine look? Have you measured the taper on a few cylinders yet? How about the bearings?
Jegs has a $1000 4in stroker kit for the 6.0L
https://www.jegs.com/i/Speedmaster/7....1040/10002/-1
Drifting
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From: DFW TX
Here is the driver side collector of my car. I am now about 95% certain I have C5 headers and they have been chopped and welded at the collector to allow room for the trans.
Last edited by Krusty84; Nov 30, 2018 at 11:57 AM.
Burning Brakes
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From: Airdrie Alberta
Curious is there some where you can get a cheap set of C5/C6 long tubes? Most that I have seen are pricey. There lots of room under the car for headers, so I don't understand why they cost so much. You could also buy a u-build it LS header kit.
Krusty, I forgot that you had a T-56 in your car. Which T-56 is it? One out off a Ls1 camaro? Sorry for all the questions, I'm not much of chevy guy, I just hacked mine in.
Krusty, I forgot that you had a T-56 in your car. Which T-56 is it? One out off a Ls1 camaro? Sorry for all the questions, I'm not much of chevy guy, I just hacked mine in.
Pro
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From: WV
Curious is there some where you can get a cheap set of C5/C6 long tubes? Most that I have seen are pricey. There lots of room under the car for headers, so I don't understand why they cost so much. You could also buy a u-build it LS header kit.
Krusty, I forgot that you had a T-56 in your car. Which T-56 is it? One out off a Ls1 camaro? Sorry for all the questions, I'm not much of chevy guy, I just hacked mine in.
Krusty, I forgot that you had a T-56 in your car. Which T-56 is it? One out off a Ls1 camaro? Sorry for all the questions, I'm not much of chevy guy, I just hacked mine in.
Drifting
Joined: Mar 2018
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From: DFW TX
Curious is there some where you can get a cheap set of C5/C6 long tubes? Most that I have seen are pricey. There lots of room under the car for headers, so I don't understand why they cost so much. You could also buy a u-build it LS header kit.
Krusty, I forgot that you had a T-56 in your car. Which T-56 is it? One out off a Ls1 camaro? Sorry for all the questions, I'm not much of chevy guy, I just hacked mine in.
Krusty, I forgot that you had a T-56 in your car. Which T-56 is it? One out off a Ls1 camaro? Sorry for all the questions, I'm not much of chevy guy, I just hacked mine in.
Safety Car
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From: Dale City VA
Those do look like modded C5 headers. Heck if all you got to do is a chop the collector about 3" and add a 45* to the C5 headers.... That's gonna be super easy fabrication work... espc compared to what he has already done with fitting up the 4L80 in the car.
Krusty84 - whats your headers look like for steering shaft clearance?
Will
Krusty84 - whats your headers look like for steering shaft clearance?
Will
Drifting
Joined: Mar 2018
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From: DFW TX
Those do look like modded C5 headers. Heck if all you got to do is a chop the collector about 3" and add a 45* to the C5 headers.... That's gonna be super easy fabrication work... espc compared to what he has already done with fitting up the 4L80 in the car.
Krusty84 - whats your headers look like for steering shaft clearance?
Will
Krusty84 - whats your headers look like for steering shaft clearance?
Will
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From: Custer, WI
I really doubt that the C5/C6 headers will fit on a C4. There is more room behind the engine on a C5/C6 because they use a torque tube system. We have a transmission bolted the engine.
I run the shorties and made my own 3in collector. 3/8in plate and cut a 3in hole. Welded a 3in short 90 exhaust. Lots of room. Speed Engineering has a bunch of long tube headers for other vehicles that you could try. Worst case you send them back. I would try to find a set of headers that come straight down from the middle of the engine, then back.
How does the engine look? Have you measured the taper on a few cylinders yet? How about the bearings?
Jegs has a $1000 4in stroker kit for the 6.0L
https://www.jegs.com/i/Speedmaster/7....1040/10002/-1
I run the shorties and made my own 3in collector. 3/8in plate and cut a 3in hole. Welded a 3in short 90 exhaust. Lots of room. Speed Engineering has a bunch of long tube headers for other vehicles that you could try. Worst case you send them back. I would try to find a set of headers that come straight down from the middle of the engine, then back.
How does the engine look? Have you measured the taper on a few cylinders yet? How about the bearings?
Jegs has a $1000 4in stroker kit for the 6.0L
https://www.jegs.com/i/Speedmaster/7....1040/10002/-1
I saw that Stroker kit. There was some talk about it on LS1Tech. Interesting for sure....
I'd like to see your headers if possible. I was considering just running the shorties, but was turned off by the 2.5" collector. Could you show me what you've done?
Curious is there some where you can get a cheap set of C5/C6 long tubes? Most that I have seen are pricey. There lots of room under the car for headers, so I don't understand why they cost so much. You could also buy a u-build it LS header kit.
Krusty, I forgot that you had a T-56 in your car. Which T-56 is it? One out off a Ls1 camaro? Sorry for all the questions, I'm not much of chevy guy, I just hacked mine in.
Krusty, I forgot that you had a T-56 in your car. Which T-56 is it? One out off a Ls1 camaro? Sorry for all the questions, I'm not much of chevy guy, I just hacked mine in.
Thanks, I'd like to see them too.
Those do look like modded C5 headers. Heck if all you got to do is a chop the collector about 3" and add a 45* to the C5 headers.... That's gonna be super easy fabrication work... espc compared to what he has already done with fitting up the 4L80 in the car.
Krusty84 - whats your headers look like for steering shaft clearance?
Will
Krusty84 - whats your headers look like for steering shaft clearance?
Will
Burning Brakes
Joined: Nov 2015
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From: Airdrie Alberta
I just grabbed some 3/8 plate steel, cut out in a square, probably 4.5in by 4.5in. Drilled three holes to bolt to the collector and cut the outside match the puny speed engineering. Took my 3in short radius and drew outside line and cut out with my plasma torch. Welded on my 3in radius elbow.
Cheap way to measure the bore diameter top and bottom, is use a set of rings. Get some feeler gauges and measure the ring gap. Measure about 1/2in from top of cylinder and at the bottom. The trick is keeping ring at the same depth at both sides.
I have an inside bore gauge and decent set of mics. Lots of miles/abuse equals lots of taper, I would also inspect the shells on the mains and rods. Pull the pistons out to inspect the pistons for scuffing/broken rings/busted ring lands.
You going to run an oil cooler? I reused my factory sbc motor mounts on my car. I have to jack my car up to take those pics and I'm out of town for now. I had a blast building my car four years ago. I did mine over the Christmas break
Cheap way to measure the bore diameter top and bottom, is use a set of rings. Get some feeler gauges and measure the ring gap. Measure about 1/2in from top of cylinder and at the bottom. The trick is keeping ring at the same depth at both sides.
I have an inside bore gauge and decent set of mics. Lots of miles/abuse equals lots of taper, I would also inspect the shells on the mains and rods. Pull the pistons out to inspect the pistons for scuffing/broken rings/busted ring lands.
You going to run an oil cooler? I reused my factory sbc motor mounts on my car. I have to jack my car up to take those pics and I'm out of town for now. I had a blast building my car four years ago. I did mine over the Christmas break
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From: Custer, WI
I just grabbed some 3/8 plate steel, cut out in a square, probably 4.5in by 4.5in. Drilled three holes to bolt to the collector and cut the outside match the puny speed engineering. Took my 3in short radius and drew outside line and cut out with my plasma torch. Welded on my 3in radius elbow.
Cheap way to measure the bore diameter top and bottom, is use a set of rings. Get some feeler gauges and measure the ring gap. Measure about 1/2in from top of cylinder and at the bottom. The trick is keeping ring at the same depth at both sides.
I have an inside bore gauge and decent set of mics. Lots of miles/abuse equals lots of taper, I would also inspect the shells on the mains and rods. Pull the pistons out to inspect the pistons for scuffing/broken rings/busted ring lands.
You going to run an oil cooler? I reused my factory sbc motor mounts on my car. I have to jack my car up to take those pics and I'm out of town for now. I had a blast building my car four years ago. I did mine over the Christmas break
Cheap way to measure the bore diameter top and bottom, is use a set of rings. Get some feeler gauges and measure the ring gap. Measure about 1/2in from top of cylinder and at the bottom. The trick is keeping ring at the same depth at both sides.
I have an inside bore gauge and decent set of mics. Lots of miles/abuse equals lots of taper, I would also inspect the shells on the mains and rods. Pull the pistons out to inspect the pistons for scuffing/broken rings/busted ring lands.
You going to run an oil cooler? I reused my factory sbc motor mounts on my car. I have to jack my car up to take those pics and I'm out of town for now. I had a blast building my car four years ago. I did mine over the Christmas break
After seeing this I'm pretty tempted to buy a set of cheap headers for a C5 and cut them up
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You gonna go the billet barbell route?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hi9XMQ1S_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hi9XMQ1S_4
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The GM L3 cnc that I had were 68cc and would have bumped my compression of my LQ9 to 10.5 area. You could send your 317 heads off the LQ4 to get shaved and cnc'd.
Curious on what the plan is for the rods? I installed ARP rod bolts into mine. Heard that the gen iv rods are stronger than the gen 3 rods.
The 20HP gains of LS3 will only be at rpm's above 5500 rpm, at 2000 rpm you'll lose 20HP
Curious on what the plan is for the rods? I installed ARP rod bolts into mine. Heard that the gen iv rods are stronger than the gen 3 rods.
The 20HP gains of LS3 will only be at rpm's above 5500 rpm, at 2000 rpm you'll lose 20HP
The car won't see 7000 rpm, are the ARP necessary? I wouldn't mind them for the peace of mind, but I have heard that installing the ARP rod bolts can cause the "cracked cap" rods to become out of round and need to be re-sized. Is there any truth to this, and what did you do?
I will say it is definitely going to frequent 6000+ because swag yolo race car, just don't know what kind of longevity issues i would run into with stock rod bolts
Burning Brakes
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From: Airdrie Alberta
I'm interested in your comment on the ARP rod bolts.
The car won't see 7000 rpm, are the ARP necessary? I wouldn't mind them for the peace of mind, but I have heard that installing the ARP rod bolts can cause the "cracked cap" rods to become out of round and need to be re-sized. Is there any truth to this, and what did you do?
I will say it is definitely going to frequent 6000+ because swag yolo race car, just don't know what kind of longevity issues i would run into with stock rod bolts
The car won't see 7000 rpm, are the ARP necessary? I wouldn't mind them for the peace of mind, but I have heard that installing the ARP rod bolts can cause the "cracked cap" rods to become out of round and need to be re-sized. Is there any truth to this, and what did you do?
I will say it is definitely going to frequent 6000+ because swag yolo race car, just don't know what kind of longevity issues i would run into with stock rod bolts
If there is lots of miles on that engine or signs of abuse, you may want to give that engine a freshen up. I got lucky, my LQ9 engine came out a low miler truck that had some front end damage and only had around 50000 miles on it. Everything inside looked like new.inside and there was no scuffing on the piston skirts and the pistons tops looked like new. I have a borescope and heard the engine run prior to purchasing it.