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Originally Posted by terpesman
I would put my lunch in a bag on the passenger seat. Then I would use the microwave at work to heat it up again.
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One way to rule that out is with a dbl blind study. One design could be:
Let one driver drive 3 different cars with no other "mods" other than one of 3 different intakes. Stock (unmodded), Blackwing and Vararam.
Neither the driver nor the tester would know which car had which intake. A code would be used to identify what was in each car. The driver would obviously know that he was running one of the three intakes, but not which one.
Let the driver make say five 1/4 mile runs in each car and under similar conditions, a total of 15 runs, and document the results.
My money would be on the Vararam car showing the better results on average.
OR
You could avoid all of that and take the word of the numerous people who have documented track result showing improvement obtained when using the Vararam.
Let one driver drive 3 different cars with no other "mods" other than one of 3 different intakes. Stock (unmodded), Blackwing and Vararam.
Neither the driver nor the tester would know which car had which intake. A code would be used to identify what was in each car. The driver would obviously know that he was running one of the three intakes, but not which one.
Let the driver make say five 1/4 mile runs in each car and under similar conditions, a total of 15 runs, and document the results.
My money would be on the Vararam car showing the better results on average.
OR
You could avoid all of that and take the word of the numerous people who have documented track result showing improvement obtained when using the Vararam.
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; Mar 29, 2005 at 09:14 PM.
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Originally Posted by EB20003
...You could avoid all of that and take the word of the numerous people who have documented track result showing improvement obtained when using the Vararam.
So the effect of speed and the effect of a cold -- many people have the same impression -- the wrong one.
But they keep taking it.
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Originally Posted by EHS
Here's why:
Or you could just possibly have your head up your as$ and be too stubborn (or possibly ignorant) to admit the product actually works.
Either way I win. It would be a nice feeling if it were not for the fact you are either drunk or just to Dim to see the writting on the wall. However next time I take you to school, I'll give you a syllabus so at least you know your about to be taught a valuble lesson. You can however use the search feature here to go back and learn from this again in the future.
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Originally Posted by Aquaman
If it's a plecebo that makes see all those lower numbers on those boards that light up at the end of the strip, Or the results from quality members I either know or trust. And a Placebo that made my car gain 2 lengths on the exact same Cobra in weather that would aid him more then me, I will take two. .....
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Originally Posted by EHS
I agree, numerouse people swear by the effect of zinc on the common cold as well -- right to the chart:
So the effect of speed and the effect of a cold -- many poeple have the same impression -- the wrong one.
But they keep taking it.
So the effect of speed and the effect of a cold -- many poeple have the same impression -- the wrong one.
But they keep taking it.
Yeah.....yeah.....I think I follow you.
And by extension the reason why people with the Blackwing don't get as good a results as those with the Vararam must be psychosomatic.
psy·cho·so·mat·ic (sk-s-mtk)
adj.
1. Of or relating to a disorder having (actual) physical symptoms but originating from mental or emotional causes.
In other words, Blackwing owner's cars actually have "power" (health) which is every bit as good as those equipped with the Vararam. Its just that the owners of the Blackwing equipped cars simply "believe" that their cars are less powerful ( in other words less healthy or "sick") and hence run slower times in comparison to the drivers of Vararam equipped cars.......But they really are every bit as powerful (healthy), make no mistake about it, its all in the Blackwing equipped driver's heads. And this is the one and only reason why they run slower times in comparison to the drivers with Vararam equipped cars.
The only reason why Blackwing equipped cars run slower than Vararam equipped cars..... is because the Blackwing owners believe that they will. Both cars are actually equally as powerful.
The drivers are ...well......hypochondriacs.Main Entry: hy·po·chon·dria
Pronunciation: "hI-p&-'kän-drE-&
Function: noun
: extreme depression of mind or spirits often centered on imaginary physical ailments;
The only reason why they are slower than the cars running Vararams is because they think they will be slower.
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EB2003 --
You spellks, better than Aquaman, so I'll address your point(s) -- but the concept is the same, and you hit the nail right on the head. It's not that the Blackwing folks feel worse, it's that you feel better -- like the lady in the picture -- that's the placebo effect, and that's why the money you spent is worth it. Like shiny new running shoes.
The issue isn't whether the Vararam, or Blackwing, or any other intake, is faster. They are all about the same (ask Ranger -- he uses a Halltech TRIC and runs an 11.52 and 121 quarter mile with that and some slicks as his only mods).
Do you think if he added a Vararam he would run an 11.2 and a 123 (which is what people claim is the improvement).
Probably not, he doesn't need to, because he already knows how to drive. As a matter of fact, he runs 11.8 bone stock.
Most other people, however, will benefit from the "sports psychology" effect of running the Vararam. Others, will also, with just some additional practice.
Cheers!
You spellks, better than Aquaman, so I'll address your point(s) -- but the concept is the same, and you hit the nail right on the head. It's not that the Blackwing folks feel worse, it's that you feel better -- like the lady in the picture -- that's the placebo effect, and that's why the money you spent is worth it. Like shiny new running shoes.
The issue isn't whether the Vararam, or Blackwing, or any other intake, is faster. They are all about the same (ask Ranger -- he uses a Halltech TRIC and runs an 11.52 and 121 quarter mile with that and some slicks as his only mods).
Do you think if he added a Vararam he would run an 11.2 and a 123 (which is what people claim is the improvement).
Probably not, he doesn't need to, because he already knows how to drive. As a matter of fact, he runs 11.8 bone stock.
Most other people, however, will benefit from the "sports psychology" effect of running the Vararam. Others, will also, with just some additional practice.
Cheers!
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Originally Posted by Dave68
If you live in California, skip the Vararam and consider the TRAP as being in between “very difficult” and “easy”, as the Vararam can be a royal pain to install/uninstall/reinstall for smog tests. If you live in a state that doesn't have visual inspections, then take a look at the following (grouped by cold air and non-cold air, but in no particular order) and my comments, if any:
Halltech TRAP with cold air option: This design can bring cold air in through a “Tunnelport” cutout (where the license plate would reside) that provides the shortest ram-type air path to an air filter, compared to all the rest. Its Warhead filter can only be described as "Massive". Not the easiest thing to install.
Vararam: Brings cold air in through the fog light panel area to a panel-type filter. Downside: Eliminates engine bay-cooling air that would've come in from the fog light panels (Z06 or coupe/vert with opened-up panels), so the engine bay may end up being toastier.
Vortech Rammer: Brings cold air up from in front of the radiator and into an enclosed box. Its filter is quite a bit smaller than the Halltech Warhead or Blackwing unit.
Callaway intake system: This one relocates the MAF so that it is just in front of the throttlebody. It directs cold air from underneath.
K&N FIPK: This is more of a semi-cold air system, as the cold air intake opening is more of a slit. However, it is configured similarly to the Halltech Stinger-R and is 50-states legal. $350
Warm air systems: (Easy installation)
Halltech Stinger-R: Not only contains the massive Warhead filter, but also includes a larger-than-stock airbridge and smooth throttlebody coupler. For $239.00 or less, this system represents the best bang for the buck. Fortunately, for about $40, you can add cold air induction. See my procedure at http://www.conceptualpolymer.com/corvette_c5_corner.htm
Blackwing: Includes just a large filter, but an excellent one at that. Its cost is close to that of the Stinger.
Volant Twin Cone: This system gives you more open filter surface area than any stock box does and is well suited to an engine bay that gets cold air in from the fog light panels, as the filters are more or less in the air flow path.
How good are they? My experience has shown that most will bump up RWHP by at least 10. The advantage of having cold air is that power will not be "dialed down" under normally hot underhood (and intake air) conditions. You could easily lose 10 HP with a warm air system after engine bay temps rise during slow-moving conditions. Cold air prevents this from happening.
Halltech TRAP with cold air option: This design can bring cold air in through a “Tunnelport” cutout (where the license plate would reside) that provides the shortest ram-type air path to an air filter, compared to all the rest. Its Warhead filter can only be described as "Massive". Not the easiest thing to install.
Vararam: Brings cold air in through the fog light panel area to a panel-type filter. Downside: Eliminates engine bay-cooling air that would've come in from the fog light panels (Z06 or coupe/vert with opened-up panels), so the engine bay may end up being toastier.
Vortech Rammer: Brings cold air up from in front of the radiator and into an enclosed box. Its filter is quite a bit smaller than the Halltech Warhead or Blackwing unit.
Callaway intake system: This one relocates the MAF so that it is just in front of the throttlebody. It directs cold air from underneath.
K&N FIPK: This is more of a semi-cold air system, as the cold air intake opening is more of a slit. However, it is configured similarly to the Halltech Stinger-R and is 50-states legal. $350
Warm air systems: (Easy installation)
Halltech Stinger-R: Not only contains the massive Warhead filter, but also includes a larger-than-stock airbridge and smooth throttlebody coupler. For $239.00 or less, this system represents the best bang for the buck. Fortunately, for about $40, you can add cold air induction. See my procedure at http://www.conceptualpolymer.com/corvette_c5_corner.htm
Blackwing: Includes just a large filter, but an excellent one at that. Its cost is close to that of the Stinger.
Volant Twin Cone: This system gives you more open filter surface area than any stock box does and is well suited to an engine bay that gets cold air in from the fog light panels, as the filters are more or less in the air flow path.
How good are they? My experience has shown that most will bump up RWHP by at least 10. The advantage of having cold air is that power will not be "dialed down" under normally hot underhood (and intake air) conditions. You could easily lose 10 HP with a warm air system after engine bay temps rise during slow-moving conditions. Cold air prevents this from happening.
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Originally Posted by EHS
EB2003 --
You spellks, better than Aquaman, so I'll address your point(s) -- but the concept is the same, and you hit the nail right on the head. It's not that the Blackwing folks feel worse, it's that you feel better -- like the lady in the picture -- that's the placebo effect, and that's why the money you spent is worth it. Like shiny new running shoes.
The issue isn't whether the Vararam, or Blackwing, or any other intake, is faster. They are all about the same (ask Ranger -- he uses a Halltech TRIC and runs an 11.52 and 121 quarter mile with that and some slicks as his only mods).
Do you think if he added a Vararam he would run an 11.2 and a 123 (which is what people claim is the improvement).
Probably not, he doesn't need to, because he already knows how to drive. As a matter of fact, he runs 11.8 bone stock.
Most other people, however, will benefit from the "sports psychology" effect of running the Vararam. Others, will also, with just some additional practice.
Cheers!
You spellks, better than Aquaman, so I'll address your point(s) -- but the concept is the same, and you hit the nail right on the head. It's not that the Blackwing folks feel worse, it's that you feel better -- like the lady in the picture -- that's the placebo effect, and that's why the money you spent is worth it. Like shiny new running shoes.
The issue isn't whether the Vararam, or Blackwing, or any other intake, is faster. They are all about the same (ask Ranger -- he uses a Halltech TRIC and runs an 11.52 and 121 quarter mile with that and some slicks as his only mods).
Do you think if he added a Vararam he would run an 11.2 and a 123 (which is what people claim is the improvement).
Probably not, he doesn't need to, because he already knows how to drive. As a matter of fact, he runs 11.8 bone stock.
Most other people, however, will benefit from the "sports psychology" effect of running the Vararam. Others, will also, with just some additional practice.
Cheers!
Actually its EB20003. And I never pay attention to my spelling on anything as trite as an internet message board.
I would point out that if the lady in the picture feels better, and
shows no demonstrable signs, clinical, radiographic, or otherwise then she should take 2 of the pills touted in the ad.
No, the issue really isn't the Blackwing vs the Vararam. It is warm air vs cold air intake systems. The Vararam and the Blackwing just happen to be the most popular of the two types.
Do you think that oversized cavity back golf clubs would help Ernie Els' game more, or the game of a 15 handicapper more? Which player would see the biggest impact on his game by going to oversized cavity back clubs?
I am familiar with Ranger and J-Rod's results with the Z06. They are exceptional drivers. Right up there with Evan Smith.
I do believe that in the instance which you point to, that the gentleman may possibly see some improvement by using a cold air system. How much improvement, I would not care to guess. But who really knows?
They are already so good, and running so fast, that they may have gotten the last bit of performance out of their cars. They seem to have a knack for getting more out of a stock car than most people.
I don't have Ranger's or J Rod's driving skills, nor do I intend to spend the time, and bust the parts necessary to develop driving skills of that magnitude. But if I might get an edge using a CAI, then I am willing to try it.
I don't have Els golf skill, so I play cavity backs to get as much of an edge as I can get with my home made swing. My swing ain't much, but if my low scores on the course are "placebo" then they are just the cure for what ails me. If a rare 79 makes me "think" that my game is not as "sick" as it actually is, then so much the better. My 79 is just as good as the 79 shot by the guy playing forged blades.
The golf club analogy with Mr. Els is appropriate. My point is that a driver without the driving skills of Mr. Ranger may still be able to see a performance increase using a cold air vs a warm air intake. In the case of Ranger, and taking into account his prior results, it is a bit more difficult to forsee as significant an improvement in his results.
You say, "probably not". I say "possibly". But who knows unless he actually tries it. It is the only real way to find out?
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Originally Posted by EHS
I agree, numerous people swear by the effect of zinc on the common cold as well -- right to the chart:
So the effect of speed and the effect of a cold -- many people have the same impression -- the wrong one.
But they keep taking it.
So the effect of speed and the effect of a cold -- many people have the same impression -- the wrong one.
But they keep taking it.
You can't be that dumb to compare that ^^^^ vs. the effects of warm and cold air being injested in an engine. I have seen it all now. You must have taken the short bus to school. Do you wear the "hockey" helmet in the vette?
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Originally Posted by 90 droptop
You can't be that dumb to compare that ^^^^ vs. the effects of warm and cold air being injested in an engine. I have seen it all now. You must have taken the short bus to school. Do you wear the "hockey" helmet in the vette?
The Vararam hypes it's "ram air effect" -- which we all know is silly -- there is no "ram air effect" at the speed most automobiles travel.
And the Vararam and Blackwing are both "cold air intakes."
So, I'm sorry, what's your point again?
My point is, that the Vararam is to many people like a new pair of Nikes. They feel better, they run faster. Simple as that -- a placebo.
Oh, regarding the "short bus?" In my school we spelled it ingested, although injested is cute, in a kind of double entendre kind of way.
All the best.
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Originally Posted by EHS
90droptop -- your breeding is showing.
The Vararam hypes it's "ram air effect" -- which we all know is silly -- there is no "ram air effect" at the speed most automobiles travel.
And the Vararam and Blackwing are both "cold air intakes."
So, I'm sorry, what's your point again?
My point is, that the Vararam is to many people like a new pair of Nikes. They feel better, they run faster. Simple as that -- a placebo.
Oh, regarding the "short bus?" In my school we spelled it ingested, although injested is cute, in a kind of double entendre kind of way.
All the best.
The Vararam hypes it's "ram air effect" -- which we all know is silly -- there is no "ram air effect" at the speed most automobiles travel.
And the Vararam and Blackwing are both "cold air intakes."
So, I'm sorry, what's your point again?
My point is, that the Vararam is to many people like a new pair of Nikes. They feel better, they run faster. Simple as that -- a placebo.
Oh, regarding the "short bus?" In my school we spelled it ingested, although injested is cute, in a kind of double entendre kind of way.
All the best.
Unless you have done a back to back comparision between VARARAM and Blackwing, you should keep your opinion to yourself. Why you say.... because you're ignorant on the subject... that's why. I have done a back to back, VARARAM wins ********. Feel free to correct my spelling anytyme. You're really good at that. Now go back to your DICtionary.
