I may try but there isn't much play in those bolt holes

 

yeah, that's true.

How's the rest of the install going?

 

i only had about 45 mins last night to get as far as I did before my GF wanted to go out so Im gonna try to get the DS in in the 45 mins im alloted before we go see a movie These headers seemed to drop in easier then the dynatechs I had a while back too. Probably because they don't have a flange at the collector. I started on the PS cause you seemed to have trouble with it. I was planning to do the hard side first then go to the easy side. If that PS is the hard side I'll be estatic I just hope to resolve the ac hitting the primary and that BH interference. That is the big concern, there will be an annoying vibration if I cannot resolve it.



Dave

 

whats the Air tube delete consist of? doesn't look like it would be much??

 

You're definately having a better go of it then I did! The PS Header was far worse then the DS one for me! After you remove the stock manifold on the DS make sure you crawl under the car and unbolt the braided ground cable from the block or you'll snap it in half... I had a harder time removing the stock manifold then installing the Headers actually... The new Header pretty much dropped right in with some wriggling around of a cable bundle or two...

My PS Header is against the Bellhousing also but I'm getting no vibrations, so maybe it only looks like it's against it? Then again, since it bolts to the bellhousing below maybe that negates any vibrations? I don't know...

Keep us up to date!

 

It's deleting the AIR system funtionality via code in the tuning process. You basically tell the PCM that the AIR doesn't exsist... then yo can remove it physically if you want...

Is that what you were asking?

 

do you have any idea how i can tell If I perhaps have the old type of headers? Both sides hit the BH and due to this they wont even come close to mounting to the flipped BH bracket. They hit the BH before they are close enough. And due to this the cats are exiting towards the frame rail. I "COULD" get the DS to clear the BH and point the right direction by making my own piece between the two header tabs that caused the headers to fight against each other and spread them out and then tighten the header to head flange last but even w/ that the PS side is way out of place, hitting the BH and the o2 sensor is pretty much on top of the bell housing (Maybe 1/8" clearance). Both sensors are very close to the BH to be honest and closer then I would like them to be. See my pic for reference. Any opinions are greatly appreciated, i cannot just let the headers rest on the BH so I'll have to do something.

After looking at your pics, it seems my o2s are much more vertical then yours too.




Dave

 

Go to Lowe's or Home Depot and get Mk IX BAP (big @$$ pole, also known as a 4 X 4) about 48" long. Round off one end enough to be able to stick the BAP up into the collector and then flex that muthah toward the center line of the chassis until it lines up. That probably ought to be enough to align things.

Charlie

 

ugh i think i have the old version as this guy has the headers hitting bh as well as the o2s. Do I need to call these guys tim?
BTW, even if i did spread them, i still have the o2s hitting the BH and the one primary exiting way off

 

lets see the o2's and how they are lining up

my cats came in today but I just found out that my Catback is backordered so I got some time before my install

 

Here's my line up when everything was still loose...



Compare very closely to what you have. During my install when I was concerned about the same thing (old version versus new) They told me that they had ZERO old stock, they had gotten rid of it all, only the new version was in stock. I suspect that they concentrated on the O2 bung locations only... My O2s fit in nice and SNUG, but I could uninstall em with the Headers bolted up if need be so the bungs have been relocated... at least what I gather from previous posts.

After I got things tightened up mine looked like yours does now... except my DS lined up perfectly with the reversed Bellhousing mount...



My Headers are VERY close to the Bellhousing also, the DS looks like it's touching but isn't, the PS I believe is hitting but I've noticed no vibrations what so ever so I'm not sure... It’s too difficult to look up in there to be sure.

During my install at the stage you are now, I got the X Pipe, reducers and extensions all loosely clamped together then Pried the PS Header towards the DS (HAVE to have a helper) then slipped the assembled X Pipe into place. After everything was loosely connected this way, I reefed on the X Pipe a bit to get everything in the middle of the tunnel then bolted the DS Header to the Bellhousing and everything pretty much lined up good except for the PS Bellhousing mounting tab...

FWIW After I got my extensions welded in I noticed my exhaust tips were way off. So now I have to get the car back up in the air and loosen everything up and get it all lined up properly again…

I guess all in all I would say that you do have the new version and it’s a typical Header install. There’s always friggin alignment and fitment issues, at least with every one I’ve done. I suppose what we have to answer in this Thread is if this is worth $400,00 or not!

Since you’re having the same issues I had with the PS Header, I want to forward that as something they need to fix! I would like some feedback from everyone on this before I send the final report in though, this will be a one time deal for us to have an input on the final design. Who else is close to doing the install? Should I wait for another one to make sure there is nothing else??? Are we expecting too much for a set of $400.00 Headers and X Pipe????

 

Comparing your pics to mine, your O2s sure look more vertical then mine do!!! I know the angle of our pics are not the same but your bung locations sure look different to me...

I haven't been able to get a phone number and I've tried! I'll forward our two pics to them and see what they have to say...

 

Here's some pics of the whole system in, before removal of the saddle clamps and welding.

 

Well my headers are in half **** I guess you could say. I gotta wait till tomorrow to get my new manifold gaskets so I can tighten them up to the heads I should have this done pretty early tomorrow afternoon an will post some pics asap. As far as install goes it took me about 2 1/2 hrs. My DS drove me nuts I had to remove my steering stem to get it in. The PS side didn't fall in but it wasn't all that bad either. Right now I have them both lightly bolted to the head and I'm not seeing any probs with the A/C lines or bellhouseing maybe I got lucky but we will see more tomorrow when I get it all tightened up. I'm expecting the aligment to be off like everyone elses but luckily I don't have any cats to deal with.

 

I saw cats with an O2 bung in them already -
Is this the route to go?

 

It will be at least another week before I get my project strated.. Easter is the crunch time for me and installing A/V systems in the local churches.

 

 

please let me know what they say. If this is how they will fit they are coming back out. There is no way I want both the headers resting on the BH, plus the way that PS primary comes out is just wrong. Any clamp I use between the cat and the primary sends the cat direction into the frame and it hits on the tunnel plate. So the primary is pointing towards the frame and upwards greatly. Now keep in mind this is w/ the flange bolts tight. I even loosened the flange bolts to see what kind of movement I could get out of the PS header and it wont move any further inboard because it is hitting the BH obviously. Due to the PS header hitting the BH I couldnt get that BH bracket to work at all, not that that is a huge deal but it is a sign of problems. Plus my o2 sensors are definitely more vertical. They are pretty much hitting the BH. How much room do you have between the tops of your o2 sensors and the BH? Ill take a few more pics of my o2s to show you how close mine are too.

Thanks
Dave

 

yeah so its going to throw a code at me when I take it off at first?

 

I purchased those they were 42 bucks at performance-curve.com