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Old May 4, 2010 | 09:10 AM
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I'll could try one more thing: cut the wires at the end of the main harness connector and at the end of the hub connector and splice a new plain wire, bypassing / eliminating the connectors altogether. Then if the (no signal) code goes away, I could buy another ABS Sensor Harness (remember, I already have 1 new ABS Harness that I bought previously), and using the 2 new ends, rebuilt with all new (2m & 2f) connectors.
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Old May 4, 2010 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jcorina
I'll could try one more thing: cut the wires at the end of the main harness connector and at the end of the hub connector and splice a new plain wire, bypassing / eliminating the connectors altogether. Then if the (no signal) code goes away, I could buy another ABS Sensor Harness (remember, I already have 1 new ABS Harness that I bought previously), and using the 2 new ends, rebuilt with all new (2m & 2f) connectors.
That is the whole purpose of using a meter. So you can measure the resistance, and like Bill suggested, move the harness around to see if there are any significant changes....opens, etc.
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Old May 4, 2010 | 09:53 AM
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That is the whole purpose of using a meter. So you can measure the resistance, and like Bill suggested, move the harness around to see if there are any significant changes....opens, etc.
I already did that and didn't see any changes. I performed resistance and voltage tests from the hub; from the end of the ABS Sensor harness; and from the main connector PINS at the EBCM; and I did it while wiggle the wires. All tests results were within factory specs.

The above purpose is not just to avoid the multimeter or bypass the connectors but to eventually replace all the old connectors with new connectors whether or not it corrects the problem. Bottom line is I have checked the resistance and voltage at the main EBCM connector and both are OK but I still get a 1221 "No signal from LF ABS Sensor".
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Try this

Read the Signal and Low Reff pins on the EBTCM for EACH wheel sensor and record the resistance for Signal input to Low Reff pins. They should ALL read the same resistance. If one of the readings is not the same, then the module is probably at fault.
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Old May 5, 2010 | 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
Try this

Read the Signal and Low Reff pins on the EBTCM for EACH wheel sensor and record the resistance for Signal input to Low Reff pins. They should ALL read the same resistance. If one of the readings is not the same, then the module is probably at fault.
With the DMM set to ohms, 2K, I get 1.116 for the left front (11,25) and I get 1.121 for the right front (10,24).

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Old May 10, 2010 | 10:40 AM
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I took a little trip up I-95 feeling a little bit frisky and got some new codes. In addition to the 28-TCS C1221, I got in addition, C1225 & C1283. I am still trying to interpret the slight difference in resistance I measured between left and right. (See previous post) I am hoping to save a few dollars and narrow it down to the cause. I have been to two different corvette specialty shops and one dealer and they all just want me to throw money at it by guessing what it is. One guy is 100% sure it's the wheel bearing and the other is 100% sure it's the EBCM module. And they all say the only way to know is to replace each part at my expense. Even the EBCM repair/replace people can't help because I understand all they can do is replace the power supply. The 1221 code came on and stayed on - it was never intermittant.
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From the time that the C5 first appeared to now, I have NEVER seen a BAD Wheel Speed Sensor caused by a failure from something inside the sensor. I have seen the pig tail on the hub get ripped out but, zero internal failures I have seen a BAD Wheel Hub due to a bad bearing but, the bearing and sensor are two different parts The sensor is nothing more than a coil of wire wrapped on a plactic form and a toothed reluctor wheel on the hub shaft spins inside that coil of wire as the wheel turns. If you can read the coil resistance in the sensor/hub and spin the wheel and read the AC Signal that the sensor outputs, the sensor is GOOD Done even waste your money on a new one.

Your seeing "With the DMM set to ohms, 2K, I get 1.116 for the left front (11,25) and I get 1.121 for the right front (10,24). "

That would be 1116 ohms and 1121 ohms. The difference is most likley the distance in wiring harness length.

You need to have someone shake the harness while you read the resistance to make sure that you dont have an intermittant or flukey connection due to poor female connector pins. Thats the MOST COMMON WSS failure issue.

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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
From the time that the C5 first appeared to now, I have NEVER seen a BAD Wheel Speed Sensor caused by a failure from something inside the sensor. I have seen the pig tail on the hub get ripped out but, zero internal failures I have seen a BAD Wheel Hub due to a bad bearing but, the bearing and sensor are two different parts The sensor is nothing more than a coil of wire wrapped on a plactic form and a toothed reluctor wheel on the hub shaft spins inside that coil of wire as the wheel turns. If you can read the coil resistance in the sensor/hub and spin the wheel and read the AC Signal that the sensor outputs, the sensor is GOOD Done even waste your money on a new one.

Your seeing "With the DMM set to ohms, 2K, I get 1.116 for the left front (11,25) and I get 1.121 for the right front (10,24). "

That would be 1116 ohms and 1121 ohms. The difference is most likley the distance in wiring harness length.

You need to have someone shake the harness while you read the resistance to make sure that you dont have an intermittant or flukey connection due to poor female connector pins. Thats the MOST COMMON WSS failure issue.

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OK, Thanks...I'll keep trying.
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
This is most likely your issue. The connector on the right is BAD.. The one on the left is new.

Does anybody knows the Partnumber of this connectors?
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Hmm, learn something every day...I didn't know you could take them apart without damage.

OP, if you end up repairing yours some photos of ther repair would be interesting to see.
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I am also chasing this stuff - started right after removing steering rack and repositioning EBCM to change harmonic balancer.

I agree connectors most likely culprits (including the ground connections) - and that is what is on my agenda for tomorrow (the schematics here will help alot) - but was also thinking after seeing BC's picture of the EBCM circuit board - HAS ANYBODY HEARD OF COLD SOLDER JOINTS ON THE EBCM BEING AN ISSUE? After all, I have had to deal with those 'failures' in both the HVAC control head and the key fobs......

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I am also chasing this stuff - started right after removing steering rack and repositioning EBCM to change harmonic balancer.

I agree connectors most likely culprits (including the ground connections) - and that is what is on my agenda for tomorrow (the schematics here will help alot) - but was also thinking after seeing BC's picture of the EBCM circuit board - HAS ANYBODY HEARD OF COLD SOLDER JOINTS ON THE EBCM BEING AN ISSUE? After all, I have had to deal with those 'failures' in both the HVAC control head and the key fobs......

When I got my EBTCM apart, I took it to a 2M Micro Minature Module Repair station and put it under the micro scope and Ive see 6 year old kids solder better. DELPHI soldering SUCKS! Could very well be a poor solder joint.

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Originally Posted by jcorina
I already did that and didn't see any changes. I performed resistance and voltage tests from the hub; from the end of the ABS Sensor harness; and from the main connector PINS at the EBCM; and I did it while wiggle the wires. All tests results were within factory specs.

The above purpose is not just to avoid the multimeter or bypass the connectors but to eventually replace all the old connectors with new connectors whether or not it corrects the problem. Bottom line is I have checked the resistance and voltage at the main EBCM connector and both are OK but I still get a 1221 "No signal from LF ABS Sensor".
I have been chasing this on my 2002 and can’t find the issue. New harnesses all connections great, all readings all way to ebcm as specified. Pulled ebcm did solder repair. Still get both ft wheel sensor codes.... I have no hair left!!!! Tell me you found the issue?????
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