Lost all communication help!
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Ok, another thing to mention....
I turn my headlights on and inside, my gauge cluster lights up, and the buttons around it also light up (HUD, dimmer, fuel, options, reset, etc) But the lights for the door button controls (windows, memory, locks) do NOT light up!
I turn my headlights on and inside, my gauge cluster lights up, and the buttons around it also light up (HUD, dimmer, fuel, options, reset, etc) But the lights for the door button controls (windows, memory, locks) do NOT light up!
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St. Jude Donor '08
Have you checked the DIC for codes ???
First rule of electrical work is to unplug the battery, I know it won't help you but to others who play around in the electrical system, make sure you undo the positive wire to battery when working on the car's electrical system.
First rule of electrical work is to unplug the battery, I know it won't help you but to others who play around in the electrical system, make sure you undo the positive wire to battery when working on the car's electrical system.
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Unfortunately, it is not possible to isolate this lighting serial data, because it is connected via S206, so unplugging star connector 2 will not do it. That's why I suggested making a jumper assembly for star connector 1, so the systems could be isolated.
A final caution on the BCM. Since you do not know the nature of the failure for sure, you have a known bad position. I think it risky, to install a known good BCM, into a known bad position. If a condition exists that fried your current BCM, it very well may do the same to the new one you install.
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I cannot read the DIC for codes.... it just shows up as No Comm....
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St. Jude Donor '08
I would reach out to him for some help.
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If you have no communication on the serial bus, you won't have any lighting at those positions. The signal from the dimmer control and IPC is converted to a serial data message to control the lighting for those modules.
Unfortunately, it is not possible to isolate this lighting serial data, because it is connected via S206, so unplugging star connector 2 will not do it. That's why I suggested making a jumper assembly for star connector 1, so the systems could be isolated.
A final caution on the BCM. Since you do not know the nature of the failure for sure, you have a known bad position. I think it risky, to install a known good BCM, into a known bad position. If a condition exists that fried your current BCM, it very well may do the same to the new one you install.
Unfortunately, it is not possible to isolate this lighting serial data, because it is connected via S206, so unplugging star connector 2 will not do it. That's why I suggested making a jumper assembly for star connector 1, so the systems could be isolated.
A final caution on the BCM. Since you do not know the nature of the failure for sure, you have a known bad position. I think it risky, to install a known good BCM, into a known bad position. If a condition exists that fried your current BCM, it very well may do the same to the new one you install.
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It may but I am almost positive my problem is non-existent anymore. As soon as I snipped those 3 wires (together) they shorted and blew my #5 fuse which I also believe took the BCM with it. THose wires are not shorted anymore and therefore should be fine I'm thinking. I will give it a shot and see how it goes. But my problem occurred immediately when I shorted out those wires by snipping them together.
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St. Jude Donor '08
I cant see how the BCM could be bad by cutting the Changer wires.
So that being said, go back and do this. Reassemble the STAR connectors and make sure that you still have the issue. If you do, find the star connector that only has F O U R wires and remove that connector shorting bar. That will eliminate the LDCM, RDCM and the Seat Control module as part of the issue. Then see if you still have a NO COMMS issue
Next, if theres another module that causing the serial buss to short, you can remove the other shorting buss bar and use an OHM Meter and read each module serial wire to GROUND.
Ues the schematic that LUCKY provided to see exactly what module your reading. Let us kno what you find.
Bill
If I remember correctly, they read around 750 ohms. If one reads ZERO, that module is your issue. The serial buss isnt a power buss. It just has a signal on it so shorting it out wont cause smoke and flames. Just a NO COMMS issue.
So that being said, go back and do this. Reassemble the STAR connectors and make sure that you still have the issue. If you do, find the star connector that only has F O U R wires and remove that connector shorting bar. That will eliminate the LDCM, RDCM and the Seat Control module as part of the issue. Then see if you still have a NO COMMS issue
Next, if theres another module that causing the serial buss to short, you can remove the other shorting buss bar and use an OHM Meter and read each module serial wire to GROUND.
Ues the schematic that LUCKY provided to see exactly what module your reading. Let us kno what you find.
Bill
If I remember correctly, they read around 750 ohms. If one reads ZERO, that module is your issue. The serial buss isnt a power buss. It just has a signal on it so shorting it out wont cause smoke and flames. Just a NO COMMS issue.
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St. Jude Donor '11-'12-'13-'14-'15
This is getting more and more interesting... I think the theory the OP is running on is that when he cut the wires, voltage was briefly passed to the serial buss... Which caused the problem.
Plausible, I suppose. I agree that it sounds far fetched to believe that cutting the CD Changer wires fried the BCM...
He had a 20 amp fuse in slot #5... I wonder if the voltage was strong enough to damage the shorting bar????
Tim
Plausible, I suppose. I agree that it sounds far fetched to believe that cutting the CD Changer wires fried the BCM...
He had a 20 amp fuse in slot #5... I wonder if the voltage was strong enough to damage the shorting bar????
Tim
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I cant see how the BCM could be bad by cutting the Changer wires.
So that being said, go back and do this. Reassemble the STAR connectors and make sure that you still have the issue. If you do, find the star connector that only has F O U R wires and remove that connector shorting bar. That will eliminate the LDCM, RDCM and the Seat Control module as part of the issue. Then see if you still have a NO COMMS issue
Next, if theres another module that causing the serial buss to short, you can remove the other shorting buss bar and use an OHM Meter and read each module serial wire to GROUND.
Ues the schematic that LUCKY provided to see exactly what module your reading. Let us kno what you find.
Bill
If I remember correctly, they read around 750 ohms. If one reads ZERO, that module is your issue. The serial buss isnt a power buss. It just has a signal on it so shorting it out wont cause smoke and flames. Just a NO COMMS issue.
So that being said, go back and do this. Reassemble the STAR connectors and make sure that you still have the issue. If you do, find the star connector that only has F O U R wires and remove that connector shorting bar. That will eliminate the LDCM, RDCM and the Seat Control module as part of the issue. Then see if you still have a NO COMMS issue
Next, if theres another module that causing the serial buss to short, you can remove the other shorting buss bar and use an OHM Meter and read each module serial wire to GROUND.
Ues the schematic that LUCKY provided to see exactly what module your reading. Let us kno what you find.
Bill
If I remember correctly, they read around 750 ohms. If one reads ZERO, that module is your issue. The serial buss isnt a power buss. It just has a signal on it so shorting it out wont cause smoke and flames. Just a NO COMMS issue.
I unplugged the back of the connector with 4 wires and I still have my issue.
I don't have a meter for reading the output
And for the record, the star connectors are the 2 plugs to the left of the BCM, grey in color, that have wires going into them and a plug on the backside with prongs in it correct?
-Jon
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Correct those are the ones... He means if you pull the shorting bar out, the plug with the prongs on it. That will "unplug" all the modules terminated to that connector from one another. If one of those were bad and shorting out the buss it would clear the BCM issue.
So none of the prongs looks burnt?
So none of the prongs looks burnt?
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St. Jude Donor '08
Jon
If you just un-plug (remove the TOP) from the one with FOUR wires, does the problem resolve. If you disconnect BOTH plug tops, you will have NO COMS forever.
If disconnecting the FOUR wire connector doesn't resolve the issue, you will have to break out a meter or find someone that has one to conduct Resistance checks.
BC
If you just un-plug (remove the TOP) from the one with FOUR wires, does the problem resolve. If you disconnect BOTH plug tops, you will have NO COMS forever.
If disconnecting the FOUR wire connector doesn't resolve the issue, you will have to break out a meter or find someone that has one to conduct Resistance checks.
BC
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St. Jude Donor '08
You have a ground on the serial buss somewhere. Remove both shorting bar tops from the star connectors and read each wire to ground. Doing that will show you which wire / module is causing the issue. Untill you do that, your all stop.
Bill
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I apologize for my ignorance but I am terrible with electrical stuff. How do I read this?
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St. Jude Donor '08
Try this!! Remove both connector caps and jump pins M & B together. That will restore the comms between the BCM and PCM. Thats all the car need to start and run. See if you can do that.
BC
BC