Seriously? That is the worst advice ive ever heard. Go to court and fight it. At a minimum your fine will stay the same and your points will get cut in half, you dont even need a lawyer to get that, most courts will offer that out of the gate. The last ticket I got my lawyer got reduced from a 6 point speeding ticket to a 2 point non moving violation, paid a $114 fine and a $125 lawyer fee. They want there money, thats all there after.

 

Not meaning to "rub it in" but being a retired LEO does have its perks....

would you believe 135 mph and I got a "VERBAL WARNING"

That was on 684 in Westchester County at 3am.....

 

Iraq War Veteran Plates and Firefighter Plates have gotten myself and my friends off the hook in the past as well...

 

Was not advice, was what I'd do. Certainly he is free to go to the County Attorney and make a deal or do whatever he needs to do. Also if the arresting officer did not actually radar /laser him and was guestimating then he has a beef.

Bob

 

In Denver or Araphoe County Colorado, where they have adopted the Uniform Traffic Code, 20 over automatically gets you jailed, car impounded, and an appearance in front of judge or magistrate. It's tough love for speeders, and all too easy.

The other thing about UTC adoption, is that the proceeds from the fines fund the enforcement, meaning the more speeders, the more tools for enforcement.

What's regrettable, is the cops target the low hanging fruit, the easy stops, rather than enforcing in an area where safety could benefit.

They use a lot of laser out here as well. If they get you, they got you.

(So far, they haven't got me, but I don't brag, it catches us eventually.)

 

I'm not sure how it works in the state this happened, BUT, if you fight a ticket here in CA and lose, you not only pay the ticket, you've now just taken the option of Traffic School off the table. It's a done deal and you pay the ticket and take your chances with your insurance company and raising your rates, or at worst they cancel your insurance. You don't get both options. It's either school upfront or take your chances and fight it, not both.

 

I had the same problem this past Summer. I got a Lawyer, he advised me to take the class and bring the certificate to court. The Lawyer was able to plead it down to a 2 point violation, which I was happy with. The Judge did request to see the certificate, prior to the plea, I was doing well over 80 MPH.

 

It's amazing how many perfect people are on CF. They really show up on the warranty/mod threads!! ha ha It's hard to believe that none of them have ever gone over the speed limit except on a track. Good luck with your ticket, any way for no points is good.

 

FIGHT EVERY TICKET.

Because it is your legal right to defend yourself.
Because once a ticket is issued, it becomes a financial decision.

Obviously cops and judges want most people to be suckers and just pay up......they rely on the easy revenue! Most tickets are just another form of taxation, and have nothing to do with safety.

This is not about "wasting the court's time". It's about money and keeping a clean driving record.

 

This topic reminds me of the ones about drivers who putter along in the "fast lane" at the speed limit or slightly above. This kind of terrible behavior incenses certain people who seem to think they, because of their driving ability and/or type of car they drive are ENTITLED to exceed the speed limits.

Nobody is entitled. Stop and think what the roads, highways, and freeways would be like without traffic enforcement and stiff fines and possible jail for major offenses. Think about this the next time you decide "it's all about revenue".

LEOs see horrific terrible things on the highway...literally "on" the highway. Lives ruined, lived ended, innocent people killed, maimed, or crippled because some hotshot wants to street race or go "only" 20 or 30 over the limit.

I don't know how you would fight a ticket if you KNOW you're guilty other than lying or relying on officer no show or some acrobatic tricks of expensive lawyers.

There's no doubt in my mind that some enforcement is for revenue. This revenue makes it possible to have enforcement in many cases. Again, I return to my question, what do you think it would be like without ANY enforcement? Yes, I suppose some would say it would be fantastic!!!!!!

That is until you lose a family member or friend.

So, I agree with several posts here....just man up and pay the fine. Sure, do what you can legally to mitigate the effect on your insurance and record etc. Take the classes and be contrite...sure, that's only smart.

Something like 40000 or more people die each year in traffic accidents. Many times more are terribly injured. Half of all this carnage is due to impairment usually alcohol. Thank God we have enforcement. Anarchy on the roads would be just that....we'd need mass graves to handle all the dead that would result.

Get upset with me if you want. I'm old enough to have my mind firmly made up...except that I've felt this way since I was 19. That's because I had some friends who had accidents and saw plenty of dumb stuff.....I wised up early.

I don't know how LEOs can control their anger given some of the reckless things they must see coupled with the tragic. That's all.

 

This thread was very educational for me but now I am paranoid!

I spent the past 3 summers driving a C6 in Germany, where real speed is an everyday legal possibility. Now I just purchased my first vette in the US and I am really going to have to watch my speed! A good radar detector will be my first "mod"!

For me, I think I will go the ticket clinic route if and when the time comes.

 

Only have to drive on I-55 in Illinois, south of Springfield to the State line, to find out if the State Police are a revenue inhancement machine. Within this section of hwy. on any given weekend they opperate in a Wolfpak. The spoter, parked on an over pass, can see for about a half mile down the road. Clock you, then pass your I.D. to the cars stationed along the highway. On one day I had counted five State police cars and one motor cycle S.P. parked giving tickets. Only to finish with one and then on to the next and so on and so on. This occure all summer long and into the fall. There is never any shortage of prey. Locals know not to speed, Summer going tourists beware. Good Luck and Speed Rocks

 

I agree with many of the things you say here, but after living with German traffic laws the past 4 years, I believe there are many changes we could make to our traffic laws that would make our roads safer. Safety is not all about restricting speed. Common sense comes into play at any speed.

The two I really like in Germany are:

A. Stay to the right, no cruising in the fast lane. This applies to all roads, not just the autobahn.

B. No passing on the right. Passing on the right is absolutely verboten!

These two together make a much more organized driving experience. Driver training is also very rigorous in Germany.

Speed does kill, and Germany has a very high death rate when accidents do happen, due to high speeds. However, my impression, and most of my friends as well, is that the average German driver is a far better and safer driver than average drivers here in the US.

One law, or lack thereof, that I think is just illogical here in Kentucky is that trucks are allowed to drive in any lane of a 4 or 5 lane highway. It seems fairly obvious to me that a truckers lobby has overridden common sense in this case.

 

In the US safety is but a minor concern (if even one at all) when setting speed limits. Study after study after study has shown that our highway and freeway speed limits are set well below the level at which fatalities would begin to increase due to speed. Instead of being set based on safety concerns, speed limits are determined based on completely unrelated issues. Example: Many speed limits in major metro areas in the US are set primarily based upon automobile emissions concerns. Setting the limit at 55 reduces emissions versus 60, 65, etc.

Limits are also often set for revenue generating purposes. Several academic studies have pinpointed highway speeds (all fairly close to each other) which the vast majority of drivers will not exceed due to feeling uneasy at any higher speed. The government sets the limit well below that speed not because it's any less safe, but because money is to be made from people exceeding the limit. If you actually set a reasonable limit, say 90 MPH, it'd be hard to ever give out any tickets. People will self-regulate in the interest of self-preservation and stay below unreasonably high speeds.

It's an unfortunate fact in this country that speed limits have little or nothing to do with safety.

 

 

You're reading a lot into my response that wasn't there.

I never said I didn't speed, and I didn't say he should never speed.

In the OP's original post (since edited) he described activities other than just going over the speed limit along with the flow of traffic. If you're driving a Corvette and going over the speed limit the last thing you need to do is draw more attention to yourself. This is just common sense. He also mentioned the number of times this has happened to him which also indicates that he is extremely unlucky or doesn't use terribly good judgement.

 

You might me surprised what you can learn at Traffic School, that what it is called in California.

For the most part you will find out the driving IQ of you fellow offenders, and trust me it is not very high.

A law was passed a few years here stating that if a driver holds a Commercial License they are not eligible for Traffic School regardless of even getting the ticket in a non Commercial vehicle. Two points and the insurance Co. will drop you with your Commercial License. While I can accept this Law in regards to a Commercial ticket getting a ticket in a non Commercial setting is a bit to much.

 

So your tellin me that you have never been driving down the highway and put the hammer down when there was no one infront, behind, or beside you...

 

I'm doing a 'me-2' because OregonC6 needs to get the message.
He should ponder the No Speed Limit Safety Paradox in Montana.

A study completed by National Motorists Association showed the safest period on Montana’s Interstate highways was when there were no daytime speed limits.

The doubling of fatal accidents occurred after Montana implemented its new safety program; complete with federal funding, artificially low speed limits and full enforcement.

 

Where I live, LEO don't need to use radar/lidar or any other device. They can, in their expert opinion, tell you are driving above the posted speed limit by "visual calculation."

The CHP that wrote me the warning last month knew I was exceeding the limit because it was obvious. He was probably at the posted limit as I flew by him