I don't follow your line of thinking on this one...

Corvettes have been on the market for a while...when was the last time they went down in price?

Groceries have been on the market for a while...same question

You've been in the job market for a while. When was the last time you negotiated a salary decrease?

Don't get me wrong, I hate paying more for things as much as anyone else does but I think it's just a fact of life. Does anyone actually have the new Edelbrock price list?

 

Only problem I have with an increase is the % they are supposed to be going up! That seems out of line assuming their original pricing structure was accurate to start with. A 15%+ jump is going to be a hard sell as it pushes the E-Force into the 10 grand range installed. Many (including myself) really do not have the mechanical know how to do what you do even if I had the time...

Don't get in wrong in that I love my E-Force and it was exactly what I wanted for my vette. I'm really glad I pulled the trigger last year and got a great price installed from ECS. We won't know the net effect of this price increase on their sales but I believe it's going to hurt them significantly...

 

I can answer that really easy. It was in December, the 20th to be exact. The plant I work in, and have for the last nearly 22 years, told us
we were taking a 7% pay cut or they were closing the plant. We had no choice, even with union representation. Combine that with the fact that Illinois just raised its income tax rate from 3% to 5% and now I am down $400 a month in income. That alone will prevent me from getting an E-Force, so combine it with the increase and I probably will never get one. I am not trying to complain here, just letting you know that these things are happening all over the country and I still, despite it all, consider myself fortunate just to have a C6. Hopefully I can still afford gas this spring when I can get it out of the garage.....

 

With regards to the LS7 version, there hasn't been an LS7 kit before now so where was your basis for the cost of the kit? Were you assuming it would be the same as the LS2/LS3 kits? The LS7 kit gains about $1,000 worth of hardware to deal with the loss of the air-to-oil heat exchanger that is in the way. The only price I've seen suggested for the LS7 kit (unofficial)) was a best estimate MSRP from Rob Simons on the Edelbrock Forum...

"Thank you for your interest in the ZO6 supercharger kit. Suggested retail pricing is going to be about $8200. It is more than the standard Vette kit, due to the inclusion of the ZR1 oil cooler system. This is neccesary to maintain the performance of the intercooler system, because the ZO6 oil cooler is so large, it compromises intercooler air flow. The upgrade to the ZR1 cooler also has the added benefit of much improved oil cooling. "

All of the Z06 FI kits have the same issue with the large oil cooler and in most cases it has to go.

 

Sorry to hear about your plight with the salary negotiation. That sucks no doubt! Reduced profit margins no doubt had a play in how your scenario unfolded.

 

Thank-you, I don't want to seem down or anything, I am lucky to have a job in this economy. It is lousy seeing everything we consume in this country constantly increasing and people's income taking hits like this. Taking a look back at my tax records, I made more in 1992 than I did in 2010. That is pretty sad, when you look at pricing of everything as a whole. Probably the reason the economy is in the shape it is in.
I have learned quite a lot about the e-force from you knowledgeable guys
here, and will want to get one no doubt as long as I have my Vette.
Maybe someday it will happen, for now I am happy to be employed and still be able to keep my Vette.

 

Shafted, right here in the good ol' US of A or I wouldn't put my name on it.............

 

New technology always cost more at first like plasma TV's or hybrid cars then the price slowly goes down as cost's for tooling, research etc. are recouped.

Centri superchargers have some deals listed on the forum i wonder if it's because they have been around awhile and their costs stabilize.

 

Companies have their share of problems. Reductions in hours, terminations and changes in health care programs for employees. Equipment and tooling that would normally be used is off line in need of replacement or repair and employees must make do with what they have.
On the other hand, I also heard that aprrorximately 50 RENTAL CARS will be receiving Superchargers??? I don't know what make / model or the Rental Car Agency. So, we will just have to wait and see. Geez, I sure hope my source is correct.

 

These blowers have a great, flat torque curve. Just saw a couple of dynos at my shop where they are making great torque at like 2500rpm. The weight and the cost was a no brainer for me compared to the A&A, and with little room to grow, where the little s trim can make 700-800hp, couldn't do it. These things come in a box big enough to sleep in.

As mentioned, I'd go with a twin turbo setup for 9-10k.

 

TTs are more like $15K by the time all is said and done. A quality kit by itself can easily run $9K and then you still have to add at least a grand in fuel system upgrades, get it installed/tuned, etc. And this assumes you aren't upgrading the clutch or trans, installing fresh valve springs, gauges, etc. I love turbos, but it's just not a $9K affair.

 

Do you have a shopping list of what you believe the required upgrades are for that V2/V3 to get you to 700-800hp? I've seen this statement made several times recently as if it's just a pulley change and retune. I think it's quite a bit more than that. Help us understand where you are coming from with that statement.

 

... I'd to see the upgrade costs to get to those numbers. I assume we're talking RWHP with that 700 to 800 number? Unless you are running DR's and lots of other goodies (heavy duty clutch, rears, perhaps tranny) the only thing I see 800 RWHP producing is lots of broken parts! There is NO WAY you can run that kind of HP without significant and costly upgrades if you expect the car to last more than few thousand miles.

I personally know one guy around here running that kind of power and he's broken almost every part of the drive line in under 5000 miles... including the tranny. Wonder what all that cost to get fixed? I'm sure he drives it hard but come on.... at what price. I suppose if you're pockets are stuffed with cash then it's fine... For most people dropping 20 or 30k into a play toy is out of reach. I would have NEVER SC'd or Turbo mine if the bill was going to be in the 15k range. Car is a an 06 and only worth 25k if I'm lucky even with very low miles and all the options. A 7500 bill for SC was about as far as I was going. That doesn't even include the new wider CCW wheels and tires!

I suggest folks carefully evaluate what all that HP is going to really cost BEFORE doing it. Be realistic because there are lots of hidden costs to running big power.....

 

I don't know about 800hp or A&A but there have been 700hp dyno sheets posted after installation of alky and restriction plate removal on ECS kits.

 

Nope, but I'm at 630rwhp with stock exhaust, stock heads/cam, 3.8 pulley, and a conservative tune. That's around 700hp at the crank.

Pretty sure that exhaust, baby cam, and a 3.4-3.6 pulley, will put me there in the 700rwhp or 750-800hp ballpark.

5litereater is around 800hp in his stock bottom end ls2(728rwhp).

Let's not this turn in to a broken parts thread. I've seen 500hp cars blow just as fast as 700hp cars. Tranny/rearends? Yeah, broke 3 in one year in my Z06, at the track. Gotta pay to play. If your scared about breaking something, leave your car stock.

 

Very healthy car! You are a 6-speed manual and also using methanol right?

 

"Thank you for your interest in the ZO6 supercharger kit. Suggested retail pricing is going to be about $8200"

 

All you need for 700rwhp with it is a 3" reichard pulley. No cam.

 

ECS just had a 1000rwhp result with the YSi.

 

Sorry guys for some reason my search was not showing me my thread.

Update on the Edelbrock.
I am not sure who posted that the company was sold to an investment group, but it is the other way around. It was sold a while back and Vic just bought it back last year. I am not sure why there was a huge price increase, it could have been from Eaton raising there price etc, but we are working on it. It looks like the new price of the LS3 unit is going to be about $7900 or so. This is our price on the 600hp kit and it is complete so you have to compare apples to apples on all the other kits. They are all great, but when comparing you can't just look at the cost of the supercharger, you have to look at all the add on's also. The Edelbrock is the most complete kit, it even comes with the pump. Example, if you look at the maggie we sell which is a great system, the price is $7495 for a polished unit, you really need to install a pump and you will need a hood. You will be way above that $7900 price of the E-Force. Same goes with the Vortech. Like I said, they are all great, but you need to look at everything and not the initial cost of the charger. By the time everything is all done any one of the systems is going to in the area of 10k if you are wanting it turn key.
Thanks
Justin