I still have two units for the LS3 at the old price.

 

With the new Whipple kit coming out at a very similar price point this could hurt E-Force sales even more...

 

If the new whipple is coming out at the same or near price point why would that hurt the Edelbrock unit.

 

Because the Edelbrock unit is now overpriced and underpowered. The Whipple seems much more capable of making big, centri-like power.

 

A vortech A&A and ECS paxton do not need a hood and include a BAP negating a fuel pump requirement. They are 5200 for a vortech Si and 6000 for a paxton 1500.

Currently there is a full turn key A&A Si fully installed and tuned for 6099.00 at East Tex muscle cars.

Was your typing Vortech a typo?

 

Really? On June 7, 2010, the Chicago-based private equity firm Industrial Opportunity Partners(IOP) announced their strategic investment in the Edelbrock corporation. With $185 million of committed capital, IOP focuses on acquiring and managing middle-market manufacturing and value-added distribution businesses. Edelbrock also became a limited liability corporation (LLC). At the same time, Edelbrock announced a new acting president. John Colaianne, a member of IOP's board of operating principles replaced Vic Edelbrock, who has served as president since 1962. Vic Edelbock remains chairman on the board of directors.[27][28]

 

Vic brought the company back from being public a couple of years ago. What you quoted above is correct, except that IOP owns only a percentage, VIC still owns the majority of the company. It's complicated, but a blanket quote that he does not own the company is not true.
Justin

 

No, not really a typo. I think Andys kits are great, I talked to him before about selling them and I am not sure what happened, probably a break down in communication on my end. However the 10k quote I gave does depend on what system you are getting is respect of kits. I prefer to not use a BAP, but to have a fuel pump capable of delivering what is required. The Edelbrock setup included a pump. I know there will be allot of people that don't agree with that, but when a BAP fails, you may not know it until the motor scatters itself, if a fuel pump fails the car does not run.
Also on some of the installations I have seen out there, the crankshaft is not being pinned, that is a big mistake. So you save some money by not pinning it, but what happens and how much does it cost to fix it when the balancer does spin. There are lot's of ways to look at this, like for example if you go Maggie, you going to pay min 1500 on a hood, fitting and painting, more if it is carbon and if it is done right. By the time it is all added up, your 10k.

 

Also is you look at the bottom of the page at A&A, it says on the $5200 kit that you have to add a radiator and tuning. This is what I am talking about, the turn key finish. If someone is not doing that, then you really can't compare to someone that is.

 

I like what I am seeing on the whipple also, well except the MSD BAP, but at $7900 how is the Edelbrock overpriced. If you compare the companies that are using the Eaton rotors, how do they compare in price. The Maggie is a little less, but the hood has to be purchased, the ZR1 needs a hood and it allot more expensive before you even add the hood. The Whipple still needs a hood, so lets make a real comparison, the Whipple is $8594.90 and you still have to get the hood painted, and you still should purchase a fuel pump vs the BAP. So the Edelbrock is $7995 and the Whipple is $8594.90 not including paint. The whipple may well be worth the price increase, I am not slamming it, I would like to see more from it and interest in selling it, but the point I am making was what was being stated earlier about the pricing. You can't compare apples to oranges, you have to look at the big picture. I guy with a stock car that wants to make 600hp with a SC and wants it turn key with everything that is needed to make it do that reliably is going to spend around 10k.

 

I agree that the E-Force is still where its at for the guy looking for <=600 RWHP with rock solid reliability. I see your point about the fuel pump but if you want to get hard core apples to apples then the labor to R&R the pump is pricy. Personally I would BAP the stock pump at that power level but I'm aware of the risks and reliability issues with the BAPs.

I'm just saying for someone who was considering an EForce for $7k, and now they need to pay $8k. The Whipple is $7200 (from their post) plus you need a hood, call that $1500, so $8700. Personally I would spend a lot less on a centri kit, but I digress. I'm not knocking any of these systems. Different strokes for different folks. I'm just saying the fact that what appears to be a quality PD system capable of >800RWHP is now available for slightly more money doesn't help Vic with this $1k price hike.

 

I agree I am not happy about the price. I think they could have raised it a little if needed, but almost 1k is allot.

 

Because you'll have more kits on the market competing for the same limited number of buyers. The Whipple isn't a direct comparison though as it requires a replacement hood (another $2K).

 

You only need a radiator if the ls3 vette you have is a z51.

 

LS3 Z51 uses the external 1/3 size Z06 style air-to-oil cooler which has to go to make room for the A&A intercooler.

 

Yes, if you read my post I talk about that and why nobody is comparing apples to apples. My statement about the 10k is that is what you are going to spend by the time it is all done, pretty much no matter what kit you buy.

 

Unless the install of the E-Force is upwards of $3K the total price should be no where near $10K. Honestly, I think $10K is pretty damn expensive and for that kind of money I'd probably expect a lot more than 500-550 at the tire.

 

Installation is usually around 2k but it also depends on what "extra" parts the customer is wanting at the time like headers etc.

Add it up, $7195 for the old system plus 2k on install. On all systems you really need a radiator as the factory radiator is not worth much. A good rad is $679 plus about an hour install time, that is a total of $9949.00, so what about tuning, do you go with what came with the kit or do you have it custom tuned. If you want it dead on for your car you get it custom tuned. So now you are talking another 500-1000 dollars, it adds up real fast. My point is that no matter what kit you buy, the end result is going to be in the 10k neighborhood. Now sure you can take short cuts, especially on the labor side, but do you really save money? If you take a short cut to save say 1 or 2k, so what happens when that short cut cost a lower end. You end up spending 5 or 6k to fix the saving of the 1 or 2K. It is all about looking at the big picture, personally we will not take any short cuts on installing anything, if the customer decides that he does not want it done correctly then I send him/her somewhere else, I don't want our name on it. Remember my quote is for someone that wants it turn key, this is not the same for someone who can do the install and tune themselves.
Justin

 

Just out of curiosity, how much do you think it would cost money wise to get you 150+ hp your engine naturally aspirated? Of course this means doing it the right way and having the same drivability around town that the supercharger and stock engine have.
I am not insulting you so I hope you don't take it as that, but allot of customers or individuals usually never realize how much it really costs to do it right. I bet most on here will tell you if they added up what they have in their car right now, they would have never guessed they would have spent that amount of money on the car when they purchased it.
Heck I know a gentleman with a C5 on this forum that has probably 100k in just engines and I don't think he has put more then 10 racing miles on it since the first motor. It takes allot to make serious power and we take for granted what GM has given us. It cost them millions in research and dyno time to give us what we have now stock. The same actions have to be gone through when building an engine. The tune time is unreal to get an engine that does everything the stock one does and yet makes big power. The problem with all of this, is time cost money and so do engine dynos, so a supercharger is the best bang for the buck no matter how you are which angle you look at it. A turbo system is even better, but more money.
Justin

 

I have a second vet with TTs, forged motor, AFR heads, custom cam, RPM trans, etc, etc. I know how much things cost. I'll leave the labor out of the discussion as I know that varies greatly by region.

I hadn't heard that the E-Force required an aftermarket radiator. Is this something related to the C6? I know I had several different combos on my C5 with a stock radiator.