C6 Tech/Performance LS2, LS3, LS7, LS9 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

best cold air induction

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 10, 2006 | 10:35 AM
  #61  
shurite44's Avatar
shurite44
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,027
Likes: 6
From: Shiloh Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by jimman
Water wake caused by front wheels will take a 2 inch water puddle and make it nearly 6 inches very quickly and wa-la you have a water event.
Maybe, does not sound likely. I know we have went through this before. But I really don't think a wake from the tires will procede the front end. I am sure it depends on other variables like tire width but who knows. Could happen, I would not loose much sleep over it.

I can only remember 1 guy reporting a hydrolock with a vararam in the C5 forum.

Have you had this happen to you or something? I am just curious why you have such a strong opinion on this subject. Seems to me most of the ideas about hydrolock are just speculations anyway.

Vararam reads these threads. How many hydrolocks have you guys had reported?
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:03 AM
  #62  
Pat Salerno's Avatar
Pat Salerno
Burning Brakes
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 962
Likes: 8
From: Rio Rancho NM
Default

Originally Posted by Turbooo2u
I had Callaway install the "Honker". I didn't feel anything after install. Just switched to the "Snakecharmer" and felt something good. This is the second time I have tried the Vararam (once in my C5) and noticed a nice difference.
Dave , sent you a PM ...PAt
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:13 AM
  #63  
jimman's Avatar
jimman
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 7,695
Likes: 51
From: Imperial Beach CA
Default

Originally Posted by shurite44
Maybe, does not sound likely. I know we have went through this before. But I really don't think a wake from the tires will procede the front end. I am sure it depends on other variables like tire width but who knows. Could happen, I would not loose much sleep over it.

I can only remember 1 guy reporting a hydrolock with a vararam in the C5 forum.

Have you had this happen to you or something? I am just curious why you have such a strong opinion on this subject. Seems to me most of the ideas about hydrolock are just speculations anyway.

Vararam reads these threads. How many hydrolocks have you guys had reported?
Yes, 11 thousand and change.
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:17 AM
  #64  
shurite44's Avatar
shurite44
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,027
Likes: 6
From: Shiloh Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by jimman
Yes, 11 thousand and change.
I thought so. Well come on, tell us the details.
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:25 AM
  #65  
shurite44's Avatar
shurite44
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,027
Likes: 6
From: Shiloh Ohio
Default

If I had an engine hydrolock on me I would probably be a lot more careful also. Don't blame you on this one.
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:26 AM
  #66  
VaraRam Industries's Avatar
VaraRam Industries
Supporting Vendor
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,773
Likes: 155
From: Houston Texas
St. Jude Donor '07-'11-'12
Default

In the 2 years I have been with Vararam I have not had a single reported case of "hydrolock" on any of our units. Florida,Texas and California are notorious for what I call "Kick the bucket over " rainstorms
and we have many customers that have run their units in such conditions and have had no issues. We have tested the units under "extreme water conditions" and found no problems. I will apologize for our current delay in shipping units for both the C5 and the C6. We have had a tremendous demand for the units and and have been responding to some minor concerns with the units that required slight modifications. We did ship out last week over 60 C6 units and 50 C5 units and have demand for that many more already. The C5 units should ship Thursday and Friday of this week and any filter kits that were ordered should ship also. The C6 units will not ship till the middle of next week as we are waiting on Green filters for these units and they are on the boat coming from France and are due to arrive this weekend and pass thru customs. We pride our selves on our products and service. Some delays in shipping are due to concerns our customers express on this forum that we take very seriously. We want to respond to all concerns and correct any issues that arise. We appreciate the feedback and take action as needed . Sometimes the action willl require a modification and thus the delay in giving our customers the best product they require . As always our products come with a 100% performance and satisfaction guarantee and as I tell everyone " If you don't like it and love it for any reason we will take it back no questions asked and pay the freight both ways!!!!"
Thanks for all the great feedback and support!!!
Vararam -- Steve
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:30 AM
  #67  
jimman's Avatar
jimman
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 7,695
Likes: 51
From: Imperial Beach CA
Default

Originally Posted by shurite44
I thought so. Well come on, tell us the details.
2000 MN6 coup, Bottom breather, going home for lunch, less than 5mph, water depth less than 3inchs, heavy traffic so no choice and who cared at that time fore we were all assured by all those out there that extensive tests were conducted so not to have concern. That did, during the following years, kill off the bottom breathers till now and here we go again. Get in writing that if hydroloc occurres the supplier will fix car, see how far you get with that one.
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:31 AM
  #68  
shurite44's Avatar
shurite44
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,027
Likes: 6
From: Shiloh Ohio
Default

Hi Steve,
I have to tell you I am so happy you guys are a forum sponser now. I really think you guys have worked hard to improve customer service in the last couple years.

Make sure you send my guys at backstreet the new part to be used with the spacer!
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-1

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-7

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-8

10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

 Michael S. Palmer
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:33 AM
  #69  
shurite44's Avatar
shurite44
Le Mans Master
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,027
Likes: 6
From: Shiloh Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by jimman
2000 MN6 coup, Bottom breather, going home for lunch, less than 5mph, water depth less than 3inchs, heavy traffic so no choice and who cared at that time fore we were all assured by all those out there that extensive tests were conducted so not to have concern. That did, during the following years, kill off the bottom breathers till now and here we go again. Get in writing that if hydroloc occurres the supplier will fix car, see how far you get with that one.
Was it the Tric or Trick I forget how they used to spell that? Jimman pm me what CAI it was if you do not mind. I am just curious.

I think I remember this happening or you posting about it in the C5 forum.

That would suck, I think it would scare me away from CAI's also.
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:40 AM
  #70  
CoolBlueC6's Avatar
CoolBlueC6
Racer
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 419
Likes: 0
From: Crestwood KY
Default

Originally Posted by VaraRam Industries
In the 2 years I have been with Vararam I have not had a single reported case of "hydrolock" on any of our units. Florida,Texas and California are notorious for what I call "Kick the bucket over " rainstorms
and we have many customers that have run their units in such conditions and have had no issues. We have tested the units under "extreme water conditions" and found no problems. I will apologize for our current delay in shipping units for both the C5 and the C6. We have had a tremendous demand for the units and and have been responding to some minor concerns with the units that required slight modifications. We did ship out last week over 60 C6 units and 50 C5 units and have demand for that many more already. The C5 units should ship Thursday and Friday of this week and any filter kits that were ordered should ship also. The C6 units will not ship till the middle of next week as we are waiting on Green filters for these units and they are on the boat coming from France and are due to arrive this weekend and pass thru customs. We pride our selves on our products and service. Some delays in shipping are due to concerns our customers express on this forum that we take very seriously. We want to respond to all concerns and correct any issues that arise. We appreciate the feedback and take action as needed . Sometimes the action willl require a modification and thus the delay in giving our customers the best product they require . As always our products come with a 100% performance and satisfaction guarantee and as I tell everyone " If you don't like it and love it for any reason we will take it back no questions asked and pay the freight both ways!!!!"
Thanks for all the great feedback and support!!!
Vararam -- Steve
Steve,

Because of my timeframe, I had to go with a competitors product. But, it is great that you are taking the time to set the record strait. Congratulation on having such good sales. That says something about your product!

Eric
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:54 AM
  #71  
mcv's Avatar
mcv
Burning Brakes
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,099
Likes: 1
From: Branford Connecticut
Default

Originally Posted by VaraRam Industries
In the 2 years I have been with Vararam I have not had a single reported case of "hydrolock" on any of our units.
We haven't received any feedback of this sort of problem at Callaway from any of our C5 or C6 Honker customers either. We've also done extensive testing in all sorts of weather.

I sympathize with drivers who have experienced "hydrolock", but is it possible that, with today's intake designs, the concern over water ingestion is a bit overemphasized?
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 08:39 PM
  #72  
matuszynski's Avatar
matuszynski
Instructor
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
From: az
Default

Originally Posted by jimman
2000 MN6 coup, Bottom breather, going home for lunch, less than 5mph, water depth less than 3inchs, heavy traffic so no choice and who cared at that time fore we were all assured by all those out there that extensive tests were conducted so not to have concern. That did, during the following years, kill off the bottom breathers till now and here we go again. Get in writing that if hydroloc occurres the supplier will fix car, see how far you get with that one.
last time you told this hydro lock story, it was 2 inch of water....what happen? come on, get real here, even with you story of "less then 3 inches of water produce 6 inch of wake" it still will not do anything...the lowest bottom feeder is the varam...and it sits much higher then your "6 inch wake" more like 13 inches for a normal high c6. you have no experience with varam on your c6, so you "opinion / lack of experience" is without foundation at best....you drove your c5 that was halltech equip into much deep water then 2 inch or your new version lower then 3 inch of water.....and you know it....u boat commander.
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 09:07 PM
  #73  
glennhl's Avatar
glennhl
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,762
Likes: 4
From: Chandler Arizona
Default

Originally Posted by amy.l.l
last time you told this hydro lock story, it was 2 inch of water....what happen? come on, get real here, even with you story of "less then 3 inches of water produce 6 inch of wake" it still will not do anything...the lowest bottom feeder is the varam...and it sits much higher then your "6 inch wake" more like 13 inches for a normal high c6. you have no experience with varam on your c6, so you "opinion / lack of experience" is without foundation at best....you drove your c5 that was halltech equip into much deep water then 2 inch or your new version lower then 3 inch of water.....and you know it....u boat commander.
This was enough to scare me away. I still agree with the one poster that if the vendors (Calloway, LPE, Vararam) really believe that their products will not hydrolock, then put out a guarantee with them. I went with the K&N aircharger.
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 09:14 PM
  #74  
matuszynski's Avatar
matuszynski
Instructor
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
From: az
Default

Originally Posted by glennhl
This was enough to scare me away. I still agree with the one poster that if the vendors (Calloway, LPE, Vararam) really believe that their products will not hydrolock, then put out a guarantee with them. I went with the K&N aircharger.

true, but these vendors can't guarantee the driver will exercise common sense with deep water....most will use it but there is always one bad apple.....
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 10:13 PM
  #75  
jimman's Avatar
jimman
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 7,695
Likes: 51
From: Imperial Beach CA
Default

Originally Posted by amy.l.l
last time you told this hydro lock story, it was 2 inch of water....what happen? come on, get real here, even with you story of "less then 3 inches of water produce 6 inch of wake" it still will not do anything...the lowest bottom feeder is the varam...and it sits much higher then your "6 inch wake" more like 13 inches for a normal high c6. you have no experience with varam on your c6, so you "opinion / lack of experience" is without foundation at best....you drove your c5 that was halltech equip into much deep water then 2 inch or your new version lower then 3 inch of water.....and you know it....u boat commander.
Last I checked 2 inches is less than 3, hard for you to grasp. If someone hydrolocs and I didn't warn them what would you say to that. There were more other than me that had this problem.

Last edited by jimman; May 11, 2006 at 01:21 AM.
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:01 PM
  #76  
'06 Quicksilver Z06's Avatar
'06 Quicksilver Z06
Team Owner
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 38,314
Likes: 35
Default

Originally Posted by jimman
I appreciate your thoughts on this but that will have no effect at all and in fact may aid the event if water particles get to the engine side of that hole. Water wake caused by front wheels will take a 2 inch water puddle and make it nearly 6 inches very quickly and wa-la you have a water event.
Wa-la?????????

I think you mean "voilà"
Reply
Old May 10, 2006 | 11:12 PM
  #77  
glennhl's Avatar
glennhl
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,762
Likes: 4
From: Chandler Arizona
Default

Originally Posted by amy.l.l
true, but these vendors can't guarantee the driver will exercise common sense with deep water....most will use it but there is always one bad apple.....
Yes, you are right. This is a tough one. Since this is my daily driver and we get some really bad downpours where I live, I just decided I didn't want to worry about it every time it poured.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To best cold air induction

Old May 10, 2006 | 11:52 PM
  #78  
matuszynski's Avatar
matuszynski
Instructor
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
From: az
Default

Originally Posted by jimman
Last I checked 2 inchs is less than 3, hard for you to grasp. If someone hydrolocs and I didn't warn them what would you say to that. There were more other than me that had this problem.
"inchs"? don't you mean inches? yes, it is very hard for me to grasp your stories.....how about the truth on the depth of the water?....how about you drove it into more like 12 inches of water with your halltech?....you must be the bad apple that all the vendors are afraid to put a guarantee on their products....like i stated, you can't guarantee everyone will use common sense not drive into deep water.

what would you like to warn others about? not to drive INTO DEEP WATER?
Reply
Old May 11, 2006 | 01:12 AM
  #79  
sallen619's Avatar
sallen619
Drifting
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,912
Likes: 33
From: S.D. CA
Default

Someone chime in on this theory. The C5 was strictly a "bottom" feeder. In my opinion it would be alot easier to hydrolock a C5 because all you would have to do is block the openning on the bottom with a sheet of water (IE; JIMMAN). The C5 has no opening in the front like the C6. The C6 would have to be blocked front and bottom for a Honker or LPE intake to suck water in...
Reply
Old May 11, 2006 | 01:25 AM
  #80  
sallen619's Avatar
sallen619
Drifting
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,912
Likes: 33
From: S.D. CA
Default

Originally Posted by CoolBlueC6
I don't think hydrolock is a big threat, but here is the problem with your example: When you have a bottom feeder on your car, and you rev the engine, you will hear a sucking sound. There was a clip that someone posted that shows this.

These intakes actually suck air in. With heavy amounts of water(not necessarily submerging), it will seal against the water and suck it in.

Basically, I agree with you water is not much of an issue.
With where the inlet is (behind a grill), I think it would be impossible for an intact sheet of water to make it. Rain would be broken up by definition and the nose of the car. Standing water being splashed up would be broken up by the grill. If you go into standing water deep enough to submerse the front openning and the bottom openning the accelerating the they are all toast except the stock and halltech type filters.

The sucking sound is caused by the accelerator...the more you are in the gas, the more you'll suck If you get caught in a bad situation, get off the gas quickly and shut it off then hope for the best

Don't try and be a U Boat commander

Last edited by sallen619; May 11, 2006 at 01:29 AM.
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:17 PM.

story-0
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-2
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

Slideshow: Ranking the top 10 Corvette engines by torque output.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:58:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

Slideshow: A Corvette pace car nearly matching IndyCar speeds sounds exaggerated, until you look at the numbers.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-04 20:03:36


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

Among a rather large group of them.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:56:44


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

Slideshow: 10 Important Corvette 'firsts' that every fan should know.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 17:02:16


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

Slideshow: Should you buy a 2020-2026 Corvette or wait for 2027?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 10:08:58


VIEW MORE