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Water wake caused by front wheels will take a 2 inch water puddle and make it nearly 6 inches very quickly and wa-la you have a water event.
Maybe, does not sound likely. I know we have went through this before. But I really don't think a wake from the tires will procede the front end. I am sure it depends on other variables like tire width but who knows. Could happen, I would not loose much sleep over it.
I can only remember 1 guy reporting a hydrolock with a vararam in the C5 forum.
Have you had this happen to you or something? I am just curious why you have such a strong opinion on this subject. Seems to me most of the ideas about hydrolock are just speculations anyway.
Vararam reads these threads. How many hydrolocks have you guys had reported?
I had Callaway install the "Honker". I didn't feel anything after install. Just switched to the "Snakecharmer" and felt something good. This is the second time I have tried the Vararam (once in my C5) and noticed a nice difference.
Maybe, does not sound likely. I know we have went through this before. But I really don't think a wake from the tires will procede the front end. I am sure it depends on other variables like tire width but who knows. Could happen, I would not loose much sleep over it.
I can only remember 1 guy reporting a hydrolock with a vararam in the C5 forum.
Have you had this happen to you or something? I am just curious why you have such a strong opinion on this subject. Seems to me most of the ideas about hydrolock are just speculations anyway.
Vararam reads these threads. How many hydrolocks have you guys had reported?
In the 2 years I have been with Vararam I have not had a single reported case of "hydrolock" on any of our units. Florida,Texas and California are notorious for what I call "Kick the bucket over " rainstorms
and we have many customers that have run their units in such conditions and have had no issues. We have tested the units under "extreme water conditions" and found no problems. I will apologize for our current delay in shipping units for both the C5 and the C6. We have had a tremendous demand for the units and and have been responding to some minor concerns with the units that required slight modifications. We did ship out last week over 60 C6 units and 50 C5 units and have demand for that many more already. The C5 units should ship Thursday and Friday of this week and any filter kits that were ordered should ship also. The C6 units will not ship till the middle of next week as we are waiting on Green filters for these units and they are on the boat coming from France and are due to arrive this weekend and pass thru customs. We pride our selves on our products and service. Some delays in shipping are due to concerns our customers express on this forum that we take very seriously. We want to respond to all concerns and correct any issues that arise. We appreciate the feedback and take action as needed . Sometimes the action willl require a modification and thus the delay in giving our customers the best product they require . As always our products come with a 100% performance and satisfaction guarantee and as I tell everyone " If you don't like it and love it for any reason we will take it back no questions asked and pay the freight both ways!!!!"
Thanks for all the great feedback and support!!!
Vararam -- Steve
2000 MN6 coup, Bottom breather, going home for lunch, less than 5mph, water depth less than 3inchs, heavy traffic so no choice and who cared at that time fore we were all assured by all those out there that extensive tests were conducted so not to have concern. That did, during the following years, kill off the bottom breathers till now and here we go again. Get in writing that if hydroloc occurres the supplier will fix car, see how far you get with that one.
Hi Steve,
I have to tell you I am so happy you guys are a forum sponser now. I really think you guys have worked hard to improve customer service in the last couple years.
Make sure you send my guys at backstreet the new part to be used with the spacer!
2000 MN6 coup, Bottom breather, going home for lunch, less than 5mph, water depth less than 3inchs, heavy traffic so no choice and who cared at that time fore we were all assured by all those out there that extensive tests were conducted so not to have concern. That did, during the following years, kill off the bottom breathers till now and here we go again. Get in writing that if hydroloc occurres the supplier will fix car, see how far you get with that one.
Was it the Tric or Trick I forget how they used to spell that? Jimman pm me what CAI it was if you do not mind. I am just curious.
I think I remember this happening or you posting about it in the C5 forum.
That would suck, I think it would scare me away from CAI's also.
In the 2 years I have been with Vararam I have not had a single reported case of "hydrolock" on any of our units. Florida,Texas and California are notorious for what I call "Kick the bucket over " rainstorms
and we have many customers that have run their units in such conditions and have had no issues. We have tested the units under "extreme water conditions" and found no problems. I will apologize for our current delay in shipping units for both the C5 and the C6. We have had a tremendous demand for the units and and have been responding to some minor concerns with the units that required slight modifications. We did ship out last week over 60 C6 units and 50 C5 units and have demand for that many more already. The C5 units should ship Thursday and Friday of this week and any filter kits that were ordered should ship also. The C6 units will not ship till the middle of next week as we are waiting on Green filters for these units and they are on the boat coming from France and are due to arrive this weekend and pass thru customs. We pride our selves on our products and service. Some delays in shipping are due to concerns our customers express on this forum that we take very seriously. We want to respond to all concerns and correct any issues that arise. We appreciate the feedback and take action as needed . Sometimes the action willl require a modification and thus the delay in giving our customers the best product they require . As always our products come with a 100% performance and satisfaction guarantee and as I tell everyone " If you don't like it and love it for any reason we will take it back no questions asked and pay the freight both ways!!!!"
Thanks for all the great feedback and support!!!
Vararam -- Steve
Steve,
Because of my timeframe, I had to go with a competitors product. But, it is great that you are taking the time to set the record strait. Congratulation on having such good sales. That says something about your product!
In the 2 years I have been with Vararam I have not had a single reported case of "hydrolock" on any of our units.
We haven't received any feedback of this sort of problem at Callaway from any of our C5 or C6 Honker customers either. We've also done extensive testing in all sorts of weather.
I sympathize with drivers who have experienced "hydrolock", but is it possible that, with today's intake designs, the concern over water ingestion is a bit overemphasized?
2000 MN6 coup, Bottom breather, going home for lunch, less than 5mph, water depth less than 3inchs, heavy traffic so no choice and who cared at that time fore we were all assured by all those out there that extensive tests were conducted so not to have concern. That did, during the following years, kill off the bottom breathers till now and here we go again. Get in writing that if hydroloc occurres the supplier will fix car, see how far you get with that one.
last time you told this hydro lock story, it was 2 inch of water....what happen? come on, get real here, even with you story of "less then 3 inches of water produce 6 inch of wake" it still will not do anything...the lowest bottom feeder is the varam...and it sits much higher then your "6 inch wake" more like 13 inches for a normal high c6. you have no experience with varam on your c6, so you "opinion / lack of experience" is without foundation at best....you drove your c5 that was halltech equip into much deep water then 2 inch or your new version lower then 3 inch of water.....and you know it....u boat commander.
last time you told this hydro lock story, it was 2 inch of water....what happen? come on, get real here, even with you story of "less then 3 inches of water produce 6 inch of wake" it still will not do anything...the lowest bottom feeder is the varam...and it sits much higher then your "6 inch wake" more like 13 inches for a normal high c6. you have no experience with varam on your c6, so you "opinion / lack of experience" is without foundation at best....you drove your c5 that was halltech equip into much deep water then 2 inch or your new version lower then 3 inch of water.....and you know it....u boat commander.
This was enough to scare me away. I still agree with the one poster that if the vendors (Calloway, LPE, Vararam) really believe that their products will not hydrolock, then put out a guarantee with them. I went with the K&N aircharger.
This was enough to scare me away. I still agree with the one poster that if the vendors (Calloway, LPE, Vararam) really believe that their products will not hydrolock, then put out a guarantee with them. I went with the K&N aircharger.
true, but these vendors can't guarantee the driver will exercise common sense with deep water....most will use it but there is always one bad apple.....
last time you told this hydro lock story, it was 2 inch of water....what happen? come on, get real here, even with you story of "less then 3 inches of water produce 6 inch of wake" it still will not do anything...the lowest bottom feeder is the varam...and it sits much higher then your "6 inch wake" more like 13 inches for a normal high c6. you have no experience with varam on your c6, so you "opinion / lack of experience" is without foundation at best....you drove your c5 that was halltech equip into much deep water then 2 inch or your new version lower then 3 inch of water.....and you know it....u boat commander.
Last I checked 2 inches is less than 3, hard for you to grasp. If someone hydrolocs and I didn't warn them what would you say to that. There were more other than me that had this problem.
I appreciate your thoughts on this but that will have no effect at all and in fact may aid the event if water particles get to the engine side of that hole. Water wake caused by front wheels will take a 2 inch water puddle and make it nearly 6 inches very quickly and wa-la you have a water event.
true, but these vendors can't guarantee the driver will exercise common sense with deep water....most will use it but there is always one bad apple.....
Yes, you are right. This is a tough one. Since this is my daily driver and we get some really bad downpours where I live, I just decided I didn't want to worry about it every time it poured.
Last I checked 2 inchs is less than 3, hard for you to grasp. If someone hydrolocs and I didn't warn them what would you say to that. There were more other than me that had this problem.
"inchs"? don't you mean inches? yes, it is very hard for me to grasp your stories.....how about the truth on the depth of the water?....how about you drove it into more like 12 inches of water with your halltech?....you must be the bad apple that all the vendors are afraid to put a guarantee on their products....like i stated, you can't guarantee everyone will use common sense not drive into deep water.
what would you like to warn others about? not to drive INTO DEEP WATER?
Someone chime in on this theory. The C5 was strictly a "bottom" feeder. In my opinion it would be alot easier to hydrolock a C5 because all you would have to do is block the openning on the bottom with a sheet of water (IE; JIMMAN). The C5 has no opening in the front like the C6. The C6 would have to be blocked front and bottom for a Honker or LPE intake to suck water in...
I don't think hydrolock is a big threat, but here is the problem with your example: When you have a bottom feeder on your car, and you rev the engine, you will hear a sucking sound. There was a clip that someone posted that shows this.
These intakes actually suck air in. With heavy amounts of water(not necessarily submerging), it will seal against the water and suck it in.
Basically, I agree with you water is not much of an issue.
With where the inlet is (behind a grill), I think it would be impossible for an intact sheet of water to make it. Rain would be broken up by definition and the nose of the car. Standing water being splashed up would be broken up by the grill. If you go into standing water deep enough to submerse the front openning and the bottom openning the accelerating the they are all toast except the stock and halltech type filters.
The sucking sound is caused by the accelerator...the more you are in the gas, the more you'll suck If you get caught in a bad situation, get off the gas quickly and shut it off then hope for the best
Don't try and be a U Boat commander
Last edited by sallen619; May 11, 2006 at 01:29 AM.