No, it wouldn't be fruitless. On the contrary, it would bear a lot of fruit. Show us the time slip and tell us where it was run. A time like that, and in third gear to boot, the time slip is really the fruit of one's labor. Show us the slip.

FYI 117 mph is said to be the theoretical maximum speed which can be reached in 3rd gear of a base manual transmissioned C6. Some actually say its 116. Thats why some thought it not possible to reach 117 in a base manual in third gear, and thats why it raised eyebrows.

You telling us that you hit 117 mph on the nose in third gear, on stock rubber, and without the rev limiter raised and nothing but a CAI, thermostat and catback? OK. I believe you. Show us some documentation. Tell us where it was run. I doubt it will be fruitless for you to do that.

No "bullying," ....just asking.

 

I kind of have to agree with that one, makes sense.


In all honesty, if I actually did truly run a time that came out looking like that and lost the time slip, I would be far more inclined to actually fib a little bit and maybe add a few numbers to the end of it when telling people about it just so I could avoid getting 'called out' on it LOL...though it may in fact be true, an xx.000@xxx.00 just looks WAY too suspicious.

 

Thank you.

A few things here just look way too suspicious aside from those nice round numbers. Never mind that he mentions the "12.4 to 12.5 range". In order to have a 12.4 to 12.5 "range", you have to have some other decimal places in there. For example 12.471secs -12.523secs. Yet the timing equipment used at his track seems to only round to the nearest tenth.

I am not saying that the guy didn't run what he said he ran. But if he and his buddies or club members, paced off what they thought was 1/4 mile, and then proceeded to time each other with a stop watch and a radar gun, well, don't expect us to put too much stock into results obtained that way.

Tell us where it was run. Show us the time slip, provide a witness or a video, or a still photo, show us the splits, tell us the splits. Give us something other than 12.300 @117.00mph.

The other thing that looks suspicious is that the poster seems able to literally put on a clinic about forced induction in this thread, post #32
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...1304303&page=2

Yet in another threads he ask does he need a new gasket for installing a cooler thermostat????? http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1517554

What the he!!??

To me, it seems that he is very knowledgable, and experienced, and track savvy, but at times is giving the impression that he is a novice. I wonder why???

I also wonder why no splits, no time slip and no locale for where this run was made.

And this thread was real curious http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1524457

8 days later and he had made two trips to the track, and picked up 3 tenths the second trip.

"Put on Vararam CAI myself and ran 0.3s faster at the 1/4. Originally I went with the CAI only on the car for about 50 miles and instruction say it needs to be on about 100-200 miles so the computer learns. I didn't believe but I didn't see the improvement until the second trip to the 1/4 where I had about 500 miles on the setup. Thanks Vararam and No I don't own stock in the company."



I think I'm going to get myself a Vararam.

 

No track time here and I never believed in the SOTP with just a minor mod, but when I installed the VaraRam I became a believer of this particular mod. The VaraRam is well worth the money. To be honest, I probably could live with the VaraRam alone but I'm just so greedy. I just hope it's not my imagination.

 

I have a solution.

Start a thread with a POLL and have both of you present the facts.
Location, times, mods, would all be included.

Then....

Two choices:

1 - Yes the times are real

2 - No the times are not real

All the CorvetteForum members who read it can vote anonymously.

I say innocent until proven guilty, let it be judged by a jury of his peers.

After all he used to have a Cobra, so he can't be all bad

A couple of things....

With 03 Cobras Eatons are never called magnachargers, I never heard that until the Corvette boards.

I have heard of icing the manifold, but never did that as I feel it is cheating.
Actially I am just too lazy to bring ice

I have also heard of a few backwoods tracks that don't have all the sophiticated electronics that the major tracks have.
I have even seen a few videos of people running at them, I was blown away.
It almost looked like a regular road just blocked off with no bleachers or anything.
But it was actually a real track.
Mostly used for grudge racing.
I wonder how they time the cars?

I am sure it is fairly accurate, but to what degree.

Just like some tracks are faster than others.

I always prefer ATCO, it seems to be faster by 0.1 and 1,ph compared to E-town.
Some people have claimed ATCO is faster not only because it is slightly lower elevation than E-town, but some people claim it goes slightly downhill.
Either way, I'll take it and the 0.1 advantage over everybody else.

Sorry DSOM and chempowr, I don't know which way to vote on this one without all the facts, but at least if anyone tries to put up phony #s in the future this will establish a precedent, I AM NOT SAYING chempowr's #s are phony.

I think Tommy D should decide what he wants to do, sorry for dropping this on you, but if it were my job that I was working hard on to keep all this data, I would want it left up to me.
Even if that means saying I am not sure and leaving it up to us.

Most importantly, we should not segregate, bully, or cast suspicion on people without making them understand why we feel that way.
They should actually welcome the question and want to prove their results.

For example, I have timeslips for all my runs, but whenever I try to post them it says file too large or some other BS.
I am not willing to work for an hour trying to post something.
My trap speeds were fairly high and my ets were decent, but nobody questioned them.
But, I also give very detailed info about my runs including my poor runs that preceeded it.

THE VARARAM DOES SEEM TO MAKE BIG BANG FOR THE BUCK POWER!

Howard

 

This Thread Has Been Seriously Derailed....please Get Back On Track So This Doesnt Get Locked

 

I could almost maybe see someone posting up a xx.000@xxx.00 as a sort of temporary thing "I ran in the range of xx.000, just posting this until I get home from work and check the slip closer, then I'll add the numbers on later" or something, that could be the case here, maybe?

But I agree, let's not get this thing locked please.

 

When did I ever say that I have never seen someone icing an intake?You quote a piece of a thread and assume facts. I have iced my 03 cobra's eaton and my fox bodies upper back in south florida. They sold ice at that track. I would probably try icing the C6 if this track sold ice. Like I have said several times, the track I've run at is a small budget track in El Paso and has no vendors at all. It is a converted air strip. They do not even give out time slips. I rounded my numbers because they were reported to the tenth to me by a bystander. This may be funny to some and I'm sure you will poke holes in this response too but this is the track I run at. I get alot of runs and am happy that I have a place to run.

Why is it so hard for you to believe my time? My car has run roughly what GM says it would in stock form and then it ran what Vararam garantees their product to improve the C6 by. I'm merely posting to support my positive experiencing. You act like I'm trying to post the fastest stock C6.

In the end, you posts toward me are inflamatory. Your friend said you were a good guy but I have eyt to se it? If you had a problem with my time you could of just said so instead investigating all my posts and quoting out of context to try and defame me (not that i have any fame anyway). I'm a modest and helpful person. I have not at all been insulting to you while you continue to passive aggressive with me. I hope you cool off and realize you have been attacking me because my track doesn't give out time slips or sell ice and my times posted are not to the hundreths or thousands of accuracy.

This has been another of life's learning experiences for me to show me that the few ruin it for the many.

 

I asked about the thermostat gasket as I haven't worked on a C6 before. I have built 3 turbo cars before, but they were not vettes and they were for my own edification.

 

Certainly your time is believeable and it's quite obvious now that you DO very likely have some tenths/hundredths on the end of those numbers, you just don't know exactly what they are because of the 'budget style' track you're racing on.
My questions are though 1) how sure are you that that track's timing equipment is up to the standards of other more organized/high tech tracks (it very well could be of course) and 2) how are your times supposed to be added to this list that we all hold somewhat dear (though is still considered all in good fun) if there are no numbers after the decimel point? If someone runs a time that's within a fraction of yours who gets the higher spot?

 

I'm not sure I want in on this, but I will clarify one thing. I have run my F55 car that I have had at the track. Bouncing off the rev limiter in third gear, going through the traps on one run my trap speed was in the high 112's range. On the runs where I shifted into fourth (shifting right at redline in third) I was about a mile an hour faster on my trap speed.

Technically, the car will run 114 at redline. I suppose it is possible to hit it just right where the car will run just over that, but not likely 117. Also, let's not forget that the trap speed at a drag strip is not the actual speed that you cross the line. It is an average speed of a distance starting before the finish line (60'?).

 

Howard, the Vararam would have no effect on it's ability to run a higher speed in third gear. I know you know this, but I have to point that out. It's all about the rev-limiter, not horsepower.

But the way, to add to my posts, I think that each car may hit it's actual rev limiter at slightly different speeds just above redline. Also, even the wear of the tires, and possibly inflation could make a slight difference as the circumference of the tire effects speeds in gears.

 

or close to it there has been numerous cars run in the 115-116 at the local track...in stock form

Please jsut make another thread this one is over 54 pages long it would be retardedto get it locked over something so stupid

 

here ya go


http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...post1557430415

 

One more thing, he ran at El Paso that has an average altitude of 3695 feet. That has to be the fastest CAI only C6 in the world. 12.3 at 117 would correct out to 11.6 at 124 mph at sea level. Something smells fishy in El Paso.

 

Maybe I'm missing something here. If a showroom stock C6 can run 12.23@115, why can't a modified C6 with VaraRam only run that 12.30@117?

 

Ofcourse I'm not running 12.3 at 3800 feet with a stock car. The correction is approximately 1 second with the DA. I have posted the corrected times for sea level. My raw numbers 13.3 @ 110 with a DA of 5351 for the night I ran.

 

Which turns out to be 12.3 @ 117 using the modulardepot calculator:

http://www.modulardepot.com/density.php

 

It can run 12.30. Its the trap speed of 117 mph in third gear which makes the story so difficult to digest.

That trap speed of 117 mph in third gear cast doubt on the whole story. The fact that there are no time slips to back it up just don't help.

I can believe that people are shouting the times out to the participants and that time slips are not given. I have autocrossed under circumstances like that. But any place like that, I don't see how anyone can be expected to take the times as seriously as those acquired at Atco or Norwalk. One guy holding the stopwatch and the other holding the radar gun doesn't cut it for accuracy I don't believe.

BTW, the 12.23 that you are referring to was run with the driver shifting into fourth (he would have had to as it was a manual Z51). It was run at just over 115 mph.

But most importantly of all, that driver posted images of his time slip. Indeed time SLIPS from that night. And had a very well respected, long time forum member here, who is friends with him, and has posted his own times supported by scanned/posted time slips, and who has posted in this huge thread, pretty much vouch for him.

 

jschindler -

I was just stating that the vararam works.

In my BASE C6 manual I crossed the line in 3rd at 115.85 and pegged the limiter right after.

chempowr -

Wait, did you run a 12.3@117 or a 13.3@110???

In this THREAD we all post our Actual #s and then talk about the differences due to altitude and weather.

All of us NJ, NY, and PA huys are lucky to have great tracks at or near sea level in our backyards, that is why most of the best times come from this area.

Howard