Question on this. Are you saying that in the tubing industry that the quality of Chinese tubing is comparable with that of the rest of the world? The reason I ask is that I am in the metal business also, and many of our customers, will not accept materials that come out of China. We have had MANY more problems with Chinese made castings, forgings, and bad heat treatings, than with all other counties of origin combined. The cost is cheaper, but their quality while improving, is nowhere near that of the rest of the world. At least that's been my experience

 

 

It is definitely not thin. I was actually surprised at how thick the tubing was. I didn't measure it and I'm not sure how I would. I have a set of micrometers, but the mics have a flat surface about the size of a pencil and this wouldn't read accurately on the curved surface.

I guess I am a seasoned veteran, since I have eBay headers on my C5. They have been on for over 2 years and look like brand new. These headers have much thicker tubing than the C5 headers.


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Seriously, there was no brand markings on the box, it just said V8 HEADER on it.


I didn't see any with cats, but they wouldn't be hard to add. They do have bungs for both front and rear 02 sensors.


They aren't discolored, nor are they rusty. Not chromed, just polished.

I was partly responsible for him buying these headers, since I had taken mine over to his house and showed them to him. He installed his before I did and told me he had some trouble. I didn't have to remove the starter or anything else when I did mine. I did remove the spark plugs so I didn't accidentally break them. The only trouble I had was when putting the x-pipe on the headers, the x-pipe was about 1/2" narrower than the ends of the headers. By leaving everything loose before tightening I could get it all lined up, but I didn't like that they could be in a bind and maybe cause a leak. I used my engine hoist and a couple of straps to pull the x-pipe apart a little bit. After that if fit fine. It must have pulled a little bit during the welding process. This wasn't absolutely necessary, but I felt more comfortable. Like I said earlier, from pulling in the garage, removing plugs, putting up on jackstands, removing entire stock exhaust, to having the headers bolted up was 1 hour 12 minutes.

 

It isn't that I have to buy $400 headers, I choose to buy $400 headers. I have experience with cheap headers, since I have them on my C5. Over 2 years now and they look brand new. This influenced my decision to buy these. The C6 headers are much better quality than the C5 headers are too.

I think I can afford whatever headers I want, but I am not comfortable paying what I feel is too much.

 

We should have told everyone they cost $3,000 and were German made and they would have been impressed with the quality.

As to the member that said to report back in 10,000 miles; I'll be tired of the car long before that. It may last 5,000 miles but I doubt it. Something nicer will come along.

 

Great Point....I have the same headers and Xpipe. Cant wait to see how they hold up. At first glance thay are top quality..

 

Yea, too bad you didn't know about these before you put the Bellangers on your Viper.

 

well, all I'm saying is, it's not until I joined the "late model" craze that I saw the most concerns regarding equal lengh and merged collector. Matter fact, there was only a hand full people that run those kind of headers on 700hp+BBC, the rest would run non equal headers that have no spike or merge, and never thought twice about it...from hedmans to hookers to you name it...300$ painted headers, 500 ish jet hot in and out if you want them to last longer....basically, what I'm saying is, all headers make hp (per design), yup some make more than others but, at the end, I'm not sure if the extra handfull hp is worth 3 times the price.
Our headers are not very intricate, try to fit a 1st gen camaro that has raised ports heads and a tall deck motor, and make them fit power stearing, then you'll see intricate (hence why Lemon's and other custom header are 1200 for painted ones), which leads to the higher price.
Just an observation, really, and far as quality and where it's coming from, well, you'd be surprise what's on your car that's not made in the USA...
I just think before we crussify something we ought to at least run it thru and then make an opinion, good or bad.

 

I'm done with you, it's worse than talking to a spoiled child. Ok, Mr. "Super welder" and visionary of tubing quality from a computer monitor you must be right.... And "no" just so you know you dont NEED filler wire to weld stainless tubing. Any monkey that needs to fix a field plow can weld mild steel with a mig machine. Tig welding stainless steel requires a bit of skill and youve proven you don't know the difference. Like I said, I'm done arguing with you so go ahead and throw out the last useless comment, I'm sure it will be another masterpiece.

 

who me? yup, hookers competition jet hot coated, 375 bucks from summit in 2001, still on the car, motor number two, and they are just fine, not wraped, no flange sealing issues...they are made of mild steal...of course now those same exact coated headers are 550 bucks 9 years later, but same stuff. 2" primaries, with 3.5 collector...nothing fancy by a mile not equal length...yet hookers holds very good standards in the muscle car community...just because they are cheaper does mean they are crap.

 

I installed Hookers on a friend's 70s Rustang... They were cheap but they also looked incredibly cheap...

 

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I love that smell, that's just a good smell, like jet fuel...

 

that's because it was for a ford, hookers lower their standards for them

I don't know, mine look prety nice, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

 

I didn't say that at all. I said that you can't tell that the quality of the tubing these headers are made from is bad from the picture, I dont care if it came from Spain, Israel, China, or the USA. You CAN buy decent tubing from China but you have to be careful as it isn't all great, or even good. My point is that there isn't a soul on the planet that can determine from that picture that the tubing is of poor quality (except of course Mr. RockinBlue metal welding expert and visionary of quality ), so it isn't fair to say the tubing is obviously poor quality because that statement isnt valid from the photo.

I flat out guarentee that if I took 5 lengths of tubing and laid them out and took a snap shot of them and then put them on a computer screen with all of them China origin except 1, no one could pick the USA made piece (provided they all had the same polish of course).

Again, I own LG's and would still make the same decision today, my argument was only about judging the quality of a metal from those pictures, it is not possible.

 

You don't need to attack me, I was not being personal; with you.
I'm done with you too. Act your age and not your shoe size!
Little baby's call names!

 

Luckily they came with the car. I'd never spend that kind of money.

 

Silverspeed, You are correct Sir. All my experiences found Chinese sourced S/S an absolute nightmare to work with. With the high demand for material many new mines went online overseas in the last 3 years, most of the Asian sourced materials were infiltrated with impure "pig iron nickel". These impurities led to material that was brittle and when tested split on our bending machines. For us, even the thought of using anything other than U.S. made S/S was over before it started.

Nick

 

Kooks here from Maryland Speed If you haven't already consider getting the Jet Hot Coating; I didn't get it on mine but really should have.

 

what's the advantage of jet hot coating on stainless steel? (since stainless is alot more resiliant than plain steel is it really needed?)

 

It keeps the heat down. These cars are very sensitive to heat soak. So anything you can do to keep heat down is huge. We sell a lot of coated headers and never have had anything but great feedback. I will go deeper into it when I get back in the office.