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Old Mar 20, 2011 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Luweegy
Thats it Stan,You undo the steering shaft and slid it out. It is a white circle piece.About 50.00. It really didn't fix the car a 100%
I'm going to try Bill's fix and see what happens. I've got the message a few times but nothing happened. It went away when I turned the car off and then on again.
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Old Mar 25, 2011 | 02:42 PM
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Hello,
Mine had been getting pretty consistant on the SAHS message. I got the comb and took the two panels off. I noticed two things.

Motion of the bulky connector aft of the SWPS caused the cable to the SWPS to get tight.

The white section of my SWPS is loose, it can rotate about 0.25 inches around the steering column.

My brain told me to run to Lowes and pick up something to immobalize the white section of the SWPS, and secondly prevent any pressure on the bulky connector.

My lazy side got the best of me and I left the two panels off the column and have driven it for a week without SAHS warnings. I am thinking that reassembling the two panels actually tightens the wire that all of these solutions are trying to fix.

Thoughts? has anyone been down this road before?
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Old Mar 25, 2011 | 03:04 PM
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Ya know were all trying to figure out how to fix a electrical glitch that GM should be addressing and fixing.I've been F*&king around with this since June of 08. I'm tired of this. All the BS about getting a claims started and all the other red tape.I'd just let go of the wheel and see what ditch my car ends up in if I didn't have so much money in my car. Insurance wouldn't begin to pay me what I've got in it. I can't even drive my car rt now. It actually changes lanes by itself these days I'M Pissed off about this.I've spent my own money buying parts for this problem and it only gets worse. SWPS did nothing if not make it worse. Update I bought another SWPS just to see if I had gotten a bad one.The new one made all the differance in the world. I'm headed on a trip this Saturday and will post back. The 1st SWPS must've been a BAD one. Been driving around town a little and no problems yet. I hope this was the problem.

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Old Mar 25, 2011 | 04:14 PM
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I have always been a huge Cheby fan , but I am starting to re-thing my decision to buy a vette. The asians are still kicking our @$$es.
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Old Apr 11, 2011 | 06:05 PM
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Sure wish I had found this sticky a week ago. My car, an 08, acted up much as described by othere in this thread and wound up swapping ends along a guard rail. I do not know yet if it is totaled or not, but the damage is very severe.

I always try to find the silver lining in any bad situation, and the only thing I can take consolation in with this accident is that no other cars were involved and I am still alive but a little sore. My head is still messed up (not physically) dealing with this, as I really, really liked this car. I have filed a complaint with NHTSA, and encourage all of you who have not taken that step to do so. The only hope we have to get this issue resolved is if we get enough people to file formal complaints with the government. If you don't do it for yourself and your loved ones, then do it for some unknown, innocent person that you may collect when your car goes out of control. Whining here will accomplish nothing.
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Old Apr 11, 2011 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by WNDOPDLR
I have filed a complaint with NHTSA, and encourage all of you who have not taken that step to do so. The only hope we have to get this issue resolved is if we get enough people to file formal complaints with the government. If you don't do it for yourself and your loved ones, then do it for some unknown, innocent person that you may collect when your car goes out of control. Whining here will accomplish nothing.
I did this for my 07 a year ago, they said that they needed to send me a form to sign and it would take 7 to 10 weeks to recieve. I never got it, called and they said it would be coming, called again, still nothing. Typical government bull Sh**. I gave up.
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Old Apr 11, 2011 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by j_digi454
I did this for my 07 a year ago, they said that they needed to send me a form to sign and it would take 7 to 10 weeks to recieve. I never got it, called and they said it would be coming, called again, still nothing. Typical government bull Sh**. I gave up.
I'm pretty sure you can just file it online in the complaints section.
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 08:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure you can just file it online in the complaints section.
I will give that a try, I called them, gave the info and was told that a hard copy of the complaint would be sent to me for signature. That's what never arrived. Thanks for the tip.
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 09:47 PM
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I have a 2006 with out telescopic and the service active handling light came on as well as traction control light , my rear right tire once seemed to seize , like i had pulled the emergency brake , lucky i was parking the car and only going 5mph.
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 10:46 PM
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hi forum i have a similar problem when i nail it in comp mode about 90mph i hear two chims and dic says service traction controle after that while dic is still sygnaling if i catch a red light the tranny shifts hard like just simple dribve off 1to2gear is bam if i were to hit it hard it would probley break tires loose once i kill car and restart system is cear but in comp mode tracsiun should be off right
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Old Apr 21, 2011 | 02:18 PM
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Well, I'm joining the club on the AHS failure code AND I too had an out of control issue last year that almost collected another car, but I associated it with a bad/too much correction of the active handling system and it went into an "oscillation of corrections", for lack of a better term. After reading this thread and (not that many miles later) the AHS error is now on causing all kinds of issues, I think I have been fighting this issue too.

What happened last year: Early am, cold tires, dew on the road, slight bend to the right, accelerating a little hard, auto-trans dropped into second and the car broke lose (long story on the automatic, all I can say, was I got a good deal on the car)...... no big deal, turn into it a little, feather the throttle and drive it out. So the car is maybe 15-20 degrees sideways everything is fine, driving it out without issue (maybe 45'ish MPH) and then .... I'm in a s**t storm..... the brakes start activating, I think the left grab first.... but what exactly was going on I'm not sure, but it was bad. The car went from a controlled small power slide to the right, to sliding completely sideways to the left. I know I'm going to take crap from everyone on this next point... the move was so fast and violent and I was not wearing my seat belt at that time, my body was heaved over the console, making steering input almost impossible. Then the car corrected itself again, rotating the car another 180 degrees back to the right. At least this time my momentum slammed me back into the seat and the door were I had better body position (almost took out the window with the side of my head). I was turning back into the new direction, and mating the throttle, but again the car took back over and corrected, sending the car another 180 back to the left, then once more back to the right where I finally got everything stopped half way off the road. The guy beside me was wide eyed and shaking his head as he drove by, I assume thinking it's too much car for the driver.... at that very moment, I was thinking to myself he might have a point.... I have been driving cars HARD all my life, including a little rally type off road 2wd stuff were you spend all day going from a control slide from one side to the other. I have hit stumps, ruts, boulders and never lost control like what happened during this event. I was along for the ride and searing input & throttle was been trumped by brakes and whatever else it was doing. lesson learned. I always drive with it off now, but my wife leaves it on, so this has been a big concern for a while. And now the AHS lights comes......

I got a recall notice a few months back and tossed it in the drawer because I was heading out the door and forgot about it.... I just went and pulled it out. Imagine that, it's for the active handling system. I guess I'm off to the dealer to see what they "think" they are going to do about it. I believe if it is just the comb TBS, maybe I will try and just take the part and install it myself.

NVL_AV8R, nice" how to" on installing the comb. I'm with you on this "fly by wire" without redundant back ups...... complete BS.... but would we as consumers pay the extra for that amount of safety, hard to say. I love this car, and I still need to finish off all my mods, but I wish I had a real throttle cable/linkage and had all this active handling BS turned off with the exception of the shock control. I will fill out the DOT and other form when I get a chance.

WNDOPDLR, sorry about your vet, I was very close to T-Boning one in my mishap...

Everyone, should go get the comb mod at a minimum! It is hard to describe what this feels like when this happens at speed, surreal is an understatement. It took a few drives before I could feel comfortable in it again..... and now that the AHS light is on, that paranoid feeling was back when I was driving it home.
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by zap_1961
NVL_AV8R, nice" how to" on installing the comb. I'm with you on this "fly by wire" without redundant back ups...... complete BS.... but would we as consumers pay the extra for that amount of safety, hard to say. I love this car, and I still need to finish off all my mods, but I wish I had a real throttle cable/linkage and had all this active handling BS turned off with the exception of the shock control. I will fill out the DOT and other form when I get a chance.

WNDOPDLR, sorry about your vet, I was very close to T-Boning one in my mishap...

Everyone, should go get the comb mod at a minimum! It is hard to describe what this feels like when this happens at speed, surreal is an understatement. It took a few drives before I could feel comfortable in it again..... and now that the AHS light is on, that paranoid feeling was back when I was driving it home.
Fellow Vette Pilots, my name is Tony and I go by the call sign NVL_AV8R on this forum. I documented the Comb fix that was referred to in the above quote.

I am starting a new business venture. As many of you know I work for the Government working on UAS and other US military aircraft systems.

I am taking a poll in how many of you would be interested in having REAL ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS (BS and Masters Degrees) who work on current aircraft like F/A-18 (all Models to include Growler) Super Hornets, AH-1 Super Cobras, missiles, and classified programs trouble shoot YOUR electrical issues on your vettes?!

I took my C6 Z06 into the dealer recently because my radio in my Nav system failed. My dash was all apart because I was replacing the Blose speakers and tapping a line level signal to a new amp (had not done this yet).

When the dealer saw my dash all apart they were going to charge me $120 a hour MINIMUM to troubleshoot the issue I already knew had nothing to do with the speaker mod. (Radio Itself was defective and they did not want to honor the warranty.)

The GM "Technician", their expert, knew very little about electronics. Since I proved to him that the radio was faulty, using the schematics, and electrical theory, I was not charged, the warranty was honored, and I got a brand new $1000+ Nav head unit.

Bottom line, GM technicians are good, but they are mechanics, not electrical engineers.

IF THEY CAN'T TROUBLESHOOT MY RADIO ISSUES, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO FIX A COMPLEX SYSTEM LIKE THE SAH ISSUES EVERYONE IS HAVING IN THIS THREAD?

How many people would be interested in an Electrical Engineering Consultant Service? You send us your trouble codes, vette year, model, and DETAILED problem descriptions and we send you a list of possible issues and help you until we trouble shoot it down to the actual problem.

No more wasting time and $$$ at the dealer who know very little about electronics, no paying $120 an hour min to troubleshoot, we do it at a fixed rate and help you until it is fixed.

We would be starting with the entire C6 series and then moving on to the C5, and then the C7 (when it comes out.)

What would this service be worth to you? We are trying to figure out fair pricing points and amount of interest as we all full time Gov employees. This would be done on our off time.

Please post your comments, send me a PM, or email me below.

Thank you

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Old May 19, 2011 | 11:32 AM
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My 2006 Corvette Convertible now with just under 48,000 miles has been experiencing this problem since 2006. I have documented in my service file that I brought this to the dealers's attention in September 2006 when the car was a scant 5 months old with just under 6,500 miles. The occurrence of this Active Handling / Electronic Stability Control system started off infrequently and has gradually increased in frequency and severity. It has contributed to several near missed collisions when pulling into traffic, truly a safety hazard.

When I took it to the Dealer in September of 2006 it was dismissed with "the breaks checked out fine" and sent on my way. Even as late as this morning the dealer's service department and Corvette specialist (both of which I respect highly) had no knowledge of this growing problem. This needs and deserves a RECALL status, thank you for your time.
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Old May 19, 2011 | 03:32 PM
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Well I did file a complaint with the NHTSA but based on the other comments I don't suppose I'll get any satisfaction. The news keeps getting better and better, my dealer tells me in order to perform repair as recommended in TSB 06.02.35.002 which refers to either a small plastic clam or strap we'll be looking at $350 +.
Get the word out to club members about the danger of this experience and to file a formal complaint to at least upgrade this process to a Recall status.
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Old May 25, 2011 | 08:21 AM
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Do others with a 2009 also have this safety issue?

Mine is a 2009 C6 Coupe with LT 1 trim level (so not a telescoping steering wheel) - 6sp Auto - Absolutely no mods - No one having poked around the dash

Shortly after 15,000 miles the Active Handling started intruding while driving at or below the speed limit on roads where I had driven before with no issues. Road conditions are dry and perfect, stock wheels and tires, tires at proper pressure with plenty tread.

Active handling intrudes even in Competitive Mode which is supposed to allow harder driving.

DIC message is "Active Handling" not "Service Active Handling"

Dealer code reader shows no codes. Dealer recorded the info on a drive while it intruded and sent info to GM. GM reviewed and says there is nothing wrong.

Any thoughts??? I will file a report using info on thread first page if GM does not step up and agree to let dealer trouble shoot by trying different sensors.
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Old May 25, 2011 | 10:36 AM
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My recommendation for you is to stay on top of it and stay on top of GM. As I mentioned my problem first surfaced when the car was only 5 months old now that I'm out of warranty the solution cost me $325 a small price to pay for avoiding a serious accident on the road but GM turning a blind eye to the problem is very disappointing.
Take a little time to file a complaint with both NHTSA and www.safecar.gov.
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Old May 25, 2011 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mrcrs96
Well I did file a complaint with the NHTSA but based on the other comments I don't suppose I'll get any satisfaction. The news keeps getting better and better, my dealer tells me in order to perform repair as recommended in TSB 06.02.35.002 which refers to either a small plastic clam or strap we'll be looking at $350 +.
Get the word out to club members about the danger of this experience and to file a formal complaint to at least upgrade this process to a Recall status.
This is a wste of time, I filed a complaint in 08,another waste of time.The SWPS fixed my car and it cost me 56.00 twice and a couple hrs of time.GM and the NHTSHA aren't gonna do SH*T about this.Just make sure you get rid of all the history codes.I had 14 of them. I've been to riple digit speeds a bunch of times since the repair.No problems whatsover.Gm won't take back the 1st SWPS saying it is electrical and no returns. I think the switch will fix our cars. 350.00 to put a 10 cent plastic clip in? That's crazy. It takes 20 minutes to do and won't fix anything.

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Old May 31, 2011 | 12:46 AM
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I received the recall letter from GM last year and had the recall work done at a local dealer.

I had never seen that "service active handling system" message before and after the recall work, until last Friday. That message all of a sudden popped out when I was driving the car in the parking lot, at really low speed. I didn't really notice the brake being applied by the system, but that could be due to the low speed. I can make the warning message go away by shutting off and restarting the car, but soon it popped out again. It did that 3 times last Friday, and then I cannot reproduce it anymore.

I brought it in to a dealer today. They also cannot reproduce the problem. They checked the code history and confirmed that it's the steering wheel positioning sensor and recommended replacing the sensor (asking $850 CDN including part and labor). I brought the car home and checked it myself. The orange clip was installed properly and the wire harness seems to be tightly connected. I also tried moving the steering wheel back and forwards and it didn't seem to strain the wire harness at all in my case.

I am not sure what to do next. Could it be that the sensor just simply went bad? I guess it's possible? In that case I should probably get that sensor replaced? I saw some saying even disabling the active handling system, if the computer detects the sensor error it will re-engage. Is that really true? Getting really worried now...
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Old May 31, 2011 | 01:19 PM
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The SWPS is 56.00 and at most a 1hrs labor to install.Your dealer is a Thief.I did my own and the car is 100%. That was after the 2nd one becaise the 1st one was defective.
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Luweegy
The SWPS is 56.00 and at most a 1hrs labor to install.Your dealer is a Thief.I did my own and the car is 100%. That was after the 2nd one becaise the 1st one was defective.
If replacing the sensor then I'll get the part myself through GM part house in the US. Here in Canada the part is always 2~3 times of normal price if you get it through dealership. You are right $850 for part and labor is just ridiculous.
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