Which one did you own, 36,46 or 92 ? I would agree that the M3 is not the greatest anything but it does many things well. I for one chose the c6 because I love to mod cars. The c6 maybe one of the best platforms to start from and unlike some on this forum, I will not cry if my Chevy warranty is voided but I would cry if a M3 4 liter V8 that spins to 8300 rpms is gone !

 

That's what Viper owners say about Vettes

 

If I said it was all over the internet that you're a homosexual, do you think that would make it true? The internet is filled with people with opinions as you just stated yourself to open your post, the fact is the M3 and the CTS-V are not supercars. I don't even consider the base C6 a supercar with respect to the true supercars. Twenty years ago, its performance level would be in supercar territory as was the ZR-1 of the day. But if it makes you feel better to say the M3 is a supercar and you feel the need to feed your ego by trying to impress the unknowing with BS, rock on. This is America and everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how whacked it is.
Ahh, looks, styling, quality and technology...looks and styling are just opinions and I think the M3 looks like crap and the styling is about 30 years stale/boring, but if you like that sort of stuff that's ok with me. Quality??? You might want to do some research and see where BMW ranks before spouting the same untrue drivel always spoken about foreign cars. There are all sorts of problems all over the internet about BMW cars having engine failures and lots of costly electronic failures and they are indeed fact. Technology??? All I have to say is Mcpherson strut suspension, the most antiquated suspension design in existance today. Economy cars have Mcpherson struts because they're cheap, supercars have cutting edge suspension designs while high performance cars have double wishbone F/R or at least double wishbone front and multi-link rear. The CTS-V is filled with technology but your bias prevents you from even looking at one, at least I've looked at BMW and have been in their showroom.

If the CTS-V is only 2-3 tenths quicker in the Ľ mile and the M3's cornering and handling are so "remarkable", please explain the 6 second beat down the CTS-V gave the M3 at the 'Ring. It appears the CTS-V is the superior handling car by your own assessment, but you go right ahead and keep hugging those BMW nuts.

The only thing funny about your last sentence is the fact that a supercharged 6.2L gets the same fuel economy as that "little" NA 4L, fits in a smaller package, costs less, and kicks the crap out of that wimpy 4L around town because it has torque all over the place just like an American V8 should. It doesn't need to be revved to the stratosphere to get anywhere and is a more pleasurable drive. Even the foreign car nut hugging magazines have picked the CTS-V over the M5 and the M5 is better than the M3. You seem to be in the distinct minority in your assessment of the CTS-V vs the M3 but if it makes you happy, rock on.

 

Interesting, I've never heard that said about the Corvette by anybody. In fact, I've heard the opposite. Women friends of mine have told me a Corvette is a turn-off while a BMW is a turn-on. You have to have a lot of money to buy a BMW and a lot of money to keep one running. Most women are impressed by the bulge in the back of your pants, not the front. Fortunately I didn't buy my Corvette to impress the women, I just wanted the fastest sports car.

 

And your point is ???? I also have a c6 and I would not trade it for anything right now but for a ZR1 ! Some one called a M3 a chicks car and I have friends who own Vipers who say you will find more women who would buy a vette than who would buy a Viper ! That being said, he called it a chicks car and all I did was laugh.

 

Read the guys post again, it says "chick car" not chicks car. He meant women are attracted to it, not women own it.

You'll also find more men who would buy a Corvette than Viper which means more people would buy a Corvette. So I guess you and your friends point is the Viper sucks...I wouldn't say that but maybe that explains why they're shutting down Viper production.

 

Hey don't get sore at me, i was only trying to be nice, but you've ended that. Sounds like you have some seroius issuses with some prior M3 owners. Be honest, got your a$$ kick by a M3 owner, caught your boyfriend in one, why are you so offened. If i seen on the internet that you're a homo, i would believe it the way your acting, espacially with a name like glass slipper, your two letters off from *** slipper, your the one talking about buldges in guy's pants, if you didn't buy your corvette to impress women, then who men. I call it the way i see it.

 

The CTS-V and the M3 are about the same price, that's why they can be compared. It's not bragging when it's fact.

I'm not down on the M3, see above where I said the CTS-V isn't a supercar either nor is the base C6. I'm just being realistic, sorry if I don't share your enthusiasm for the M3 as a daily driver. When BMW can figure out how to get the same performance as the current M3 in a cheaper package with better street capabilities, maybe it'll be a better overall car. They have the option of going 6.2L supercharged too just as Cadillac did, nobody held a gun to their head to make them put a 4L DOHC V8 with no low end torque in the M3. My ZR-1 has a DOHC engine in it that's capable of being driven in 6th gear at 25 MPH (yes, that's ~500 RPM) and can pull cleanly from there so I know it can be done. BMW just has to apply some of their legendary "technology".

 

He might have just been a good driver. Never seen him before. I'm about average and I got within one second of him but it was the best I could do.

 

Makes no sense, if it corners and handles better then it would have the best track times. Also, in the drag racing world 0.3 is destroying. Probably 3 car lengths.

 

It makes sense, i'm not saying it has better times, but it will handle corners at higher speeds without sliding, and doesn't have to brake as hard going in the curves. The CTS-V accelerates a lot quicker going in & coming out of the curves and on the straight aways, which reduces the track times. (in the drag racing world 0.3 is destroying) if all things were equal, i'de agree, its all a matter of opinion.

 

Makes perfect sense now. Your perception is the M3 handles better just because it's a BMW.

And we all know what they say about perception and reality.

 

Have you ever driven a E92 M3 ?

 

this comment makes NO sence.

if the M3 outperformed a corvette, in cornering and handleing, it would be as fast or faster around a track, esp a short track, but they are not, and 02-03 tenths from a dig, in a 1/4 is alot, and from a roll, on the highway, where 99% of the battles these cars will have are, a corvette will completly obliterate a M3. and a z06, which is 100% buyable for M3 money, (go ahead open this can of worms) is in another galaxy compared to a M3.

check it, i can buy a new z0 for mid 70's all day, I can name 3-4 dealerships in my town i can get them for that price for, and a NON loaded M3 coupe is 70+...

 

I have no comment. This is the C6 tech, not BMW or Cadillac but yet you guys still insist on comparing the Vette and CTS-V against the M3. Why do you need a supercharged 6.2 L for a nat asp 4.0 L. Feeling a little inadequate. I still haven't seem anyone compare it to the CTS coupe.

 

Good question...I have a better one. Why would I do that? My POS C4 with its crappy DOHC V8 kicks the crap out of M3s and M3s are supposedly faster than my car 0-60 and Ľ mile. So if the worst generation Corvette easily outhandles them, why would I go backwards. My daughter even beats them with my car. Ok, I have to admit she's a ringer as she sets overall FTD for the womens group with a stock car and wins the region championship every year.

The poster way back got it right when he referred to the "BMW hype", it's mostly hype. Just like Toyota quality, mostly hype. German engineering, mostly hype. A friend was gushing about his Audi and the fine German engineering that gave three detents in the door opening mechanism that allowed the door to hold position at three distinct opening angles...he felt so proud until I told him my '63 Oldsmobile had the same mechanism. Perception has a way of distorting reality, be careful of advertising hype and magazine racers. I'm glad your favorite car is the M3 and you're welcome to your opinion, but this is the Corvette Forum...don't expect those who know the truth to blindly agree with your regurgitation of BMW hype. If you want group hugs, I suggest you go to the BMW forums. Could you imagine if I went to the BMW forum and gushed about Corvettes and how they're just the greatest car in the world? Besides that not being true, I have more class than to do something like that.

BTW, the M5 is going to double wishbone suspension because the CTS-V outhandles it, BMW is playing catch-up at this point and finally ditching the Mcpherson struts. You can thank Cadillac. The Porsche 911 had to go to a multi-link rear suspension to improve handling in the late '80s because the C4 was cleaning the 911's clock. Look up the SCCA Showroom Stock racing series from the '80s...Corvette owned that series. The last season of the series, a Corvette won every pole, led every lap, and won every race. They renamed it the Corvette Challenge the next year. In 1990, a Corvette set the 24 hour endurance speed record for a stock production car with a 175 MPH average speed and that was with a throttle stop set at 70%. They unscrewed the throttle stop at the end and ran another 14 miles over 190 MPH. And that record still stands today...waiting patiently for a BMW or Porsche to break it.


PS Do you have telemetry data from the CTS-V and M3 at the Nurburgring showing the M3 faster in the corners and braking better than the CTS-V? If not, I'll have to call BS on your claims.

 

[ I was expecting a response like this, you never driven or owned one, my thoughts exactly, your very predictable. As i stated earlier this section is not about how much you dislike M3s. I'm convinced you've been traumatized by a M3 owner. Do yourself a favor and get some help.

 

I have owned both cars at the same time. It has been proven that the M3 is not as quick as an LS3/Z51 C6 around the 'Ring. The C6 has a big power to weight ratio advantage, wider tires/more skidpad grip. No surprise it should be faster on a long, high speed track. The fact that it stays close to the Vette on a ~8 minute lap says a lot about the car's dynamics given the big power/weight disadvantage.


I think track times and handling are two different things, though. From my extensive personal experience with both cars, the M3 is the better handling car. The car feels extremely "connected" to the road. That is the only way I can describe it. It doesn't go skipping sideways when you hit a rough patch of road while cornering. It is quiet and has a supple ride. It is the total package that makes the M3 a serious car, not just pure speed.

I think a lot of guys around here (not necessarily you, just generalizing) have a mental block against anything not made in America. I guess I'd call it being closed-minded and it can be blinding to some. I happen to be an all around car enthusiast. I can appreciate a Mustang, Porsche, Corvette or Benz. All different but great in their own way.

Andy

 

I've already covered this for you once. The M3 is BMW's performance car as is the CTS-V and they're the same price. Want to compare it to the M5 that costs $30K more than the CTS-V? No problem, the CTS-V beats that one too. Why does the M5 need to cost $30K more? And once again, BMW could put any engine they want in the M3...I don't recall seeing any rules that said BMW had to use a NA 4L DOHC engine. The CTS isn't in the same category or price range as the M3. How about comparing the CTS to the 535i?

................CTS............535i
HP.............304............300
MPG.........18/27..........17/26
Fuel..........REG............PREM
Cost.......$35165.......$51250
0-60.........5.9 sec.......5.5 sec
60-0.........109 ft.........113 ft
slalom.......67 MPH.......65.3 MPH
Interior and exterior dimensions are so close it's almost like they're the same car. Oh yeah, the BMW had to use a twin turbos on their 3L six cylinder vs the CTS 3.6L NA six cylinder. The CTS is the better car for $16K less...BMW better start applying some of that German engineering to bump the performance and lower the price. I'd suggest the first thing they do is to get rid of the Mcpherson strut suspension.

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to interfer with an ego stroking session for M3 owners. BTW, did you come up with that telemetry data???

PS Show me where I said I dislike M3s. I just don't buy into their hype or share your opinion but I never said they weren't fast cars.