I wouldn't consider it trashing, if he messed the car up and doesn't fix it people need to know not to go to him that is just business. Good luck on it though hopefully you get something resolved.

 

Idk if he wants to come to a agreement.............. either I pay or I can come get my car and contact an attorney

 

Well if thats the way he wants to play it I would get my car and contact an attorney. If you can have this pulled apart and inspected by an actual reputable shop and they can track the issue down to the work he did you should have em by the *****. I sure as hell wouldnt let him work on it again and I certainly wouldnt PAY him to do it after he screwed it up. This guy is obviously freakin retarded.

 

From what I understand he tore apart the motor already cant he cover up any of his mistakes? A guy that worked for Chevy 8+ will be taking over the work.

 

If he tore the motor apart already its possible that he could go in and get the bad bearings out that he damaged. Once its apart all the evidence will be gone. It sounds like hes trying to cover his azz and git ride of the stuff he screwed up before you decide to come get it.

This thing has bad new written all over it. It really sucks your having to deal with such a mess.

 

How and why is he telling you to come get the car if he's got it torn down? And since you're practically a stones' throw from some of the most reputable Vette shops in the country, why not go to one of them first?

Man, I hate to hear about these kinds of issues.
You can't plan for incompetence, but when replacing an LSx cam it's always safe practice to put a fresh timing set and high flow oil pump in as support. The guts of your motor is not the place to try and shave pennies. (or bearings. )

I wish you the best of fortunes in dealing with this.

 

Sounds bad bad bad, if the motor is apart it's going to be really hard to blame someone or prove anything. You may have an uphill battle to fight here. Good luck to you on this and hopefully it gets resolved if it doesn't I am sure people would like to know who did it.

 

I doubt he has it all apart, he would of had to do several hours work just to get the oil pan off to inspect the main and rod bearings. If he didn't pull the pan, your're oil is probably still in it so GET AN OIL ANALYSIS and make sure you have a witness that can testify it came from your car. The best way would be to bring a witness with you and also make sure the shop witnesses you taking the oil sample, packing it for shipping and handing it to the FEDEX driver that you previously schelued for pick up. I worked in the Oil business for awhile and have seen some of the in's and out's of getting an oil analysis to stand up in court.

 

Now that is some good advice.

 

Well first off there is always 2 sides to every story.

I am not incompetent. Secondly, it is not wise to just assume things and start taking one side of the story without being presented both sides. There are alot of posts on this thread that are pretty close in to who to question first, but that does not matter now.

Take these matters into account before you make a final decision.

The dealership just took the heads off, pushed the water out of the engine and reman the heads on the car. Then oil and filter change. Looks like some oil or coolant flush as well. This is what his dad told me last night and what I can garner from the invoice from working on the car that the dealer did.

OP is not telling the entire story. I still do now know all of it, but I know the amount that I participated in. I did not know anything about all the problems he told me about before when I started work on the car. I did not know the engine was hydrolocked. I did not know that the engine was just top end rebuilt instead of getting a new engine. I did not know he drove into water that was nearly over the hood. I did not know he had problems with the engine/car before he brought it to me. Had I known all these things, I never would have even thought about working on it. Here are some more points to take into account. We tried to diagnose the other problems that also arose when the car randomly died before he reached his hometown. The car just randomly died. I know that he was abusing the car on the way home, but that is of little concern for the most part. I know this from accounts of the other friends of his. They know me too. I drive down to him with scan tool, HPT, laptop, tools and the other mechanic in tow. We spend until 130 in the morn there trying to get something to make sense and work right. After not being able to contact a tow truck that would come and tow it, I drove to the nearest walmart and bought a tow strap. (I also offered to pay for the tow truck as well to his house). I towed his car to his house where we pushed it into the driveway until the next day when I could go get a trailer and pick the car up and find out what is wrong. I paid for my trip down that night, then the corresponding trip down there with the pickup and trailer and the corresponding tow back up to the independent shop. At that time they (him and his dad) told us they would pay for our trips down there and back along with meals. The next day after the car was taken to an INDEPENDENT shop NOT the one we did the cam install in, I drove over to start the autopsy. There was some strange elec problem that kept eating batteries. It happened on said night and all through the next 2 days. Just walking by the car, some random relays would start clicking. So, after giving up on trying to find the elec bug, we checked the fluids and found metal in the oil. So I told him we were going to find out what was wrong with the engine. We did pull the pan without much effort at all and pulled the oil pump pickup tube off and the windage tray as well as one main cap and one rod cap. Here are the pics and points to ponder.


1) The original camshaft that came out of the car had bad wear on it already. Here is the pic. Also when the other person helping me took out the camshaft, he noted VERBALLY that the cam showed some hard signs of wear to both BKBulldog and his 2 friends that were there. I have a cam at that shop from a 100k farm truck that has less wear than this cam does. Here are some pics:




I will quote the text message i got saying as much as well....(from his friend)
Me: Did the tech show you the orig cam when he took it out and comment on anything?
Him: Yea with all the wear?
Me: Yes.
Him: We were all there when he pulled it out and showed us exactly where the wear was on the cam.

(I have most of the important texts saved on my phone so that I could reference them in case this went south like I knew it would)

2) The pump did not come off the first time that we put the car together. I lined up the marks and installed the cam. The sensor appeared bad with causing a hesitation in starting and long starts, so I replaced it AT MY COST. At that time, we pulled the cover back off to make sure there was nothing else wrong. I then pulled the oil pump off for the first time to make triple sure on the timing marks. They were dot to dot. At that point, I took his old o ring off and installed a new o ring. Then everything went back together. This is a picture of the NEW o ring as it was taken out upon autopsy.



3) We installed a new oil filter after the cam change of course and used new oil. The old oil is contaminated with coolant as well as some brake parts cleaner, etc. BUT the old oil filter was sitting upside down in the drain pan. We cut the ORIGINAL filter apart. We found misc metal shavings as well as particles of carbon and random trash. So, that also means that this was happening anyway. I am not sure if the cam change broke some trash loose or the new oil or what, but this was happening before the cam change.

4) When he first got the car back (from the orig dealer for the water in the engine) he told me he had problems with it. Ill quote the text message:
Him: Ok im calling insurance tomorrow. Plus the day i got my car back when it was acting funny the guy told me the parts were being broken in and to just drive it around.
Him: Plus the guy that fixed all those problems is certified and worked at a chevy dealer for 8+ years now we got another one saying there issues with the car. So they already have alot against them

5) He has since told me to pay for it one hour, the next hour he sends me a message after i tell him the price of turning the crank and new bearings plus a very small labor fee that he will pay it and thanks for the good price. Then this morning all this stuff comes down. Then He also tells me that it is his dads car and that he has the final say. After being on the phone last night and talking to his dad, I am told to fix the crank, replace the bearings and make it reliable and drivable for his son (Bkbulldog).

I edited point 4. He had told me this about his car when he got it back from the dealer.

 

wow

 

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...ing-funny.html

Some more interesting reading information. Apparently the dealership never wants to take credit for anything? But the original story is still changing. He got it back two weeks before bringing it to me, and had trouble for 1 1/2 of those two weeks. It was "fine" for only 4 days before he brought it to us. If I felt I had caused him any damage I would take care of it, but I can't see where I messed anything up and the incomplete "fix" from the dealer after he sucked water up the vararam and messed up the engine leaves too much room for doubt for me to just pay for these damages. He admits to problems after the hydrolocking and we all can see that they did not do a satisfactory job of fixing it based on his receipt from them that says they only took the top end off. The old cam shows the wear started before he brought the car to me. I just don't see where it is so clear cut as being my fault.

 

Sounds like a whole big mess, Didn't mean to make it out like I was saying it was your fault if I did, hope it gets worked out there is always 2 sides to every story sometimes 3. Sounds like the car has some serious issues.

 

I only take offense to the people that called me and/or my work freakin retarded. I will not ask for an apology though, just that people do not fly off the handle when they know only one side of the story.

 

Well I apologize for the comments. I did make assumptions based on what was posted here was facts. If you look back to the beginning a lot of questions were asked about this cars performance to try and determine fault. Its hard to figure things out when you ask all the questions and assume your getting the whole story. So again sorry about calling your abilities into question if this wan not in fact your fault. I hope this gets worked out for both parties.

 

Well it just weirld on the oil pressure plz explain>?

 

Going to pick the car up as soon as possible the guy will start looking it over when it gets to him. When I find out what went wrong ill be sure to post and be 100% honest.

 

yes the oil pressure is weird. It shouldnt be that low. PERIOD. Was it low before the install? That could be were the damage on your previous cam came from. It still could have been caused from the install as well. Even though the oil pump pick up tube o ring was new it still could have been pinched making it not seal properly and not get oil pressure.

Im really curious to get all the facts on this and find out what caused it. Im going to keep checking in until this gets fixed.

 

Oil pressure was fine before cam

 

The cars front bumper sat like a inch above the water. Not hood deep like he I have a picutre of the car in the water to prove it wasent " water that was nearly over the hood."