We need C8 section
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Just a side note on that as well, let's not overlook that all 4 (300ZX, Supra, RX7, 3000GT) of those Japanese sports cars/sport coupes, though experiencing some varying degree of sales depending on which model year one looks at, ultimately ALL failed here in the U.S. Pulled from the showrooms. Terminated. The Z and RX sort of came back YEARS later but were totally different iterations.
Yet the Corvette survived and still soldiered on, got even better and even experienced some GREAT sales years.
Yet the Corvette survived and still soldiered on, got even better and even experienced some GREAT sales years.
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Hmm, I've watched Porsche increase their flat 6's displacement numerous times over the years.
Ferrari's "ultra high tech" V8 gets increased from 3.0L to 4.5L and their already huge V12 just got bumped from 6.0L to 6.3L (sort of like the base Corvette did in 2008
) in order to add power, I wonder why they would do such a silly thing? 
Ford Mustang GT OHC, 4.6L to 5.0L and the GT500 will go from 5.4L to 5.8L.
Need I really go on?
Ok, and the aftermarket also offers cams/stroker kits for those OHC/DOHC motors you seem to be so hell bent on and even bigger turbos, intercoolers, fuel systems for all of those "so called" high tech turbocharged cars as well, what's your point?
Different tools for different jobs.
Hey, the Corvette incorporates LOTS of cutting edge/high tech/computer electronic systems, it's far from the 'Model T' type levels that you're over-exaggeratedly making it out to be.
No one is talking about removing the car's fuel injection for a carburetor or taking off it's radials and putting on bias plies here.
As for your Harley versus Triumph reference, you do know that the Harley V-Rod line is quite 'modern tech', right? DOHC 4 valves per cylinder, liquid cooled, 9000rpms etc. No, not quite the 12000rpm or handling capabilities of the average liter sport bike, but it's also not trying to be that either.
And for a full day/weekend trip I'd certainly take the ride comfort of a Harley Davidson Road King over that 955i any day of the week, but that's another/different discussion.
Ferrari's "ultra high tech" V8 gets increased from 3.0L to 4.5L and their already huge V12 just got bumped from 6.0L to 6.3L (sort of like the base Corvette did in 2008
) in order to add power, I wonder why they would do such a silly thing? Ford Mustang GT OHC, 4.6L to 5.0L and the GT500 will go from 5.4L to 5.8L.
Need I really go on?
Ok, and the aftermarket also offers cams/stroker kits for those OHC/DOHC motors you seem to be so hell bent on and even bigger turbos, intercoolers, fuel systems for all of those "so called" high tech turbocharged cars as well, what's your point?
Different tools for different jobs.
Hey, the Corvette incorporates LOTS of cutting edge/high tech/computer electronic systems, it's far from the 'Model T' type levels that you're over-exaggeratedly making it out to be.
No one is talking about removing the car's fuel injection for a carburetor or taking off it's radials and putting on bias plies here.
As for your Harley versus Triumph reference, you do know that the Harley V-Rod line is quite 'modern tech', right? DOHC 4 valves per cylinder, liquid cooled, 9000rpms etc. No, not quite the 12000rpm or handling capabilities of the average liter sport bike, but it's also not trying to be that either.
And for a full day/weekend trip I'd certainly take the ride comfort of a Harley Davidson Road King over that 955i any day of the week, but that's another/different discussion.
LMAO at that Vrod reference, this is not even a motor designed by Harley, this is a Porsche designed twin that is truly embarassing to even mention due to the weight and pathetic output for a 1250 cc twin. Get a clue from Buell going with Rotax instead of this turd. Porsche designed the engine and then Harley effed it all up
I find it very interesting that someone would choose a Vturd as a counterpart to corvette. this pretty much explains why C7 is what it is.
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It won't be cheap and the cam will have some lope but it has been done on quite a few occasions:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/genera...heads-cam.html
I think you might be onto to something there.He hears 'leaf springs' and immediately thinks the car is using a 1955 pick up truck suspension or something LOL.
There hasn't been a Corvette engine displacement increase in 5 model years.
You may want to figure this one out eventually.
The minute amount of credibility that you might've had coming into this thread is quickly disappearing with every single post, you might want to quit now and save yourself further embarrassment.
There are plenty of Honda/import nameplate sites that will happily read your anti GM/anti Corvette crybaby
rants all day long. 
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500rwhp can ABSOLUTELY be achieved with a 5.7L LS1, naturally aspirated and on 91-93 octane pump gas.
It won't be cheap and the cam will have some lope but it has been done on quite a few occasions:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/genera...heads-cam.html
The minute amount of credibility that you might've had coming into this thread is quickly disappearing with every single post, you might want to quit now and save yourself further embarrassment.
There are plenty of Honda/import nameplate sites that will happily read your anti GM/anti Corvette crybaby rants all day long.
It won't be cheap and the cam will have some lope but it has been done on quite a few occasions:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/genera...heads-cam.html
The minute amount of credibility that you might've had coming into this thread is quickly disappearing with every single post, you might want to quit now and save yourself further embarrassment.
There are plenty of Honda/import nameplate sites that will happily read your anti GM/anti Corvette crybaby
rants all day long. I am not anti corvette, I am anti stagnation and people like you literally impeding progress.
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Reality?
Stale visions?
Are you even at all observant or alert to this REALITY you speak of?
Have you actually seen what the current line of Corvettes can do?
If what you're saying is correct and we're ALL wrong, then how is possible that the current Corvette line has accomplished/achieved SO very much against the competition in the world's sports car arena?
Lap times don't lie.
1/4 mile results don't lie.
Top speed numbers don't lie.
Fuel economy numbers don't lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoJraaxJ658
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxwZhWQYWcQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2EsAz2GCHo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok1WUO3p1oQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbqxixtt4lk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSsR-...AF74EE83A2BFA1
World class, leaf springs, pushrods and all.
I think you might need to spend a little more time driving/enjoying Corvettes and less time quoting the pompous Euroflash ****** at Top Gear UK.
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Are you going to call me a liar?I say what I say based on personal experience, no need to quote Top Gear. I would drive more but the noises the roof makes get to me after short while.
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I can get more miles than that out of my stroked 402 blower car running 3.90 gears around town...
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Apparently my Z06 is even more effed up since this one gets single digit mileage-in the city. I am not the only one finding this kind of gas mileage, do some searches on this forum. LOL at the suggestion of a lead foot, totally impossible considering the quality of traction run flats provide, fishtailing can be fun but it gets old quickly.
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right Apparently my Z06 is even more effed up since this one gets single digit mileage-in the city. I am not the only one finding this kind of gas mileage, do some searches on this forum. LOL at the suggestion of a lead foot, totally impossible considering the quality of traction run flats provide, fishtailing can be fun but it gets old quickly.
Apparently my Z06 is even more effed up since this one gets single digit mileage-in the city. I am not the only one finding this kind of gas mileage, do some searches on this forum. LOL at the suggestion of a lead foot, totally impossible considering the quality of traction run flats provide, fishtailing can be fun but it gets old quickly.First was an A4 with 2.73 gears. I got 19-21mpg around town, and 27mpg on the freeway on average.
2nd was an Mn6, stock 3.42 gears, a blower and over 100k miles on the original motor and drivetrain. I got 15mpg around town, and 28-30mpg on the freeway on average.
3rd is an Mn6 with a 402, T-trim, and 3.90 gears. I get 13-15mpg around town, and 22mpg on the freeway.
You should have your car checked.
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I'm on my 3rd C5.
First was an A4 with 2.73 gears. I got 19-21mpg around town, and 27mpg on the freeway on average.
2nd was an Mn6, stock 3.42 gears, a blower and over 100k miles on the original motor and drivetrain. I got 15mpg around town, and 28-30mpg on the freeway on average.
3rd is an Mn6 with a 402, T-trim, and 3.90 gears. I get 13-15mpg around town, and 22mpg on the freeway.
You should have your car checked.
First was an A4 with 2.73 gears. I got 19-21mpg around town, and 27mpg on the freeway on average.
2nd was an Mn6, stock 3.42 gears, a blower and over 100k miles on the original motor and drivetrain. I got 15mpg around town, and 28-30mpg on the freeway on average.
3rd is an Mn6 with a 402, T-trim, and 3.90 gears. I get 13-15mpg around town, and 22mpg on the freeway.
You should have your car checked.
To improve mileage while retaining performance, you need to reduce the weight of the vehicle and apply at least some of the current technological developments, unfortunately the technology is where the OHC engines are. You may want to think about it if you can.
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I'm on my 3rd C5.
First was an A4 with 2.73 gears. I got 19-21mpg around town, and 27mpg on the freeway on average.
2nd was an Mn6, stock 3.42 gears, a blower and over 100k miles on the original motor and drivetrain. I got 15mpg around town, and 28-30mpg on the freeway on average.
3rd is an Mn6 with a 402, T-trim, and 3.90 gears. I get 13-15mpg around town, and 22mpg on the freeway.
First was an A4 with 2.73 gears. I got 19-21mpg around town, and 27mpg on the freeway on average.
2nd was an Mn6, stock 3.42 gears, a blower and over 100k miles on the original motor and drivetrain. I got 15mpg around town, and 28-30mpg on the freeway on average.
3rd is an Mn6 with a 402, T-trim, and 3.90 gears. I get 13-15mpg around town, and 22mpg on the freeway.
Checked the MPG of the Mercedes AMG cars or Ferrari V8s lately?
You may want to think about it if you can.
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might really be time to stop feeding the troll! 
<--- this thread LOL
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Your the only one throwing twisted facts around lol your arguments suck..terrible skewed
I understand your frustration...i read a few of your prevous threads...u have issues with ur Vette...rattly roof, loose this noisey that...in the end its your choice..your money. You obviously see some kind of appeal or else you wouldnt sit there typing away ...you want improvments, you want progress...we all do...but quit judging a car you know absolutly nothing about...C7 is a year away...can you hold off the bitching until then?
Or...
...dude, do yourself a favor sell both your Vettes and buy your kit car already...
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LOL, you are comparing LS1 with LS3? I got better gas mileage in my 04 M6 too, smaller motor should give better mileage, slightly worse in my 07 M6 C6 and considerably worse in 09 M6 C6 and Z06. BTW, I have 18k miles on the base and considerably less on Z06, both broken according to you? Now, this would be a great testimony to pushrod power, LOL.
To improve mileage while retaining performance, you need to reduce the weight of the vehicle and apply at least some of the current technological developments, unfortunately the technology is where the OHC engines are. You may want to think about it if you can.
To improve mileage while retaining performance, you need to reduce the weight of the vehicle and apply at least some of the current technological developments, unfortunately the technology is where the OHC engines are. You may want to think about it if you can.
My 2nd Vette was also running a larger fuel pump and 60lb injectors, and made over 150 more hp than your LS3. My current ride also has a BAP(do you know what that is?) and gearing that really does not help the fuel mileage on this ride, yet it's still superior to that of the GT-R, even though I make almost 300 more hp with 3 more liters of gas guzzling displacement.
Just wait until they add direct injection to the LSX series. No one else could touch our mileage before, that's just going to keep the competition behind the 8-ball.
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I can appreciate that some people aren't impressed by their interpretation of the body of rumors and innuendo about the next Corvette.
And there is a certain amount of bored repetition in this forum.
But this thread? Way past concerned skeptic, well into drama queen territory.
And there is a certain amount of bored repetition in this forum.
But this thread? Way past concerned skeptic, well into drama queen territory.
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I grow so weary of folks knocking pushrod tech as old tech.
Some apparently don't realize OHC technology is as old/older than OHV technology.
In the early era of the liquid-cooled aircraft engine field, single overhead cam format engines were in existence during the First World War, for both the Allies and the Central Powers. The Hispano-Suiza 8 V8 engine, designed by Marc Birkigt in the Allied camp, and the series of Mercedes inline-6 aviation engines, culminating in the Mercedes D.III for the German Empire, both used rotary shaft-driven single overhead camshaft valve drive systems, and were among the most prominent aviation powerplants of the First World War era.
In 1928 Duesenberg introduced its dual overhead cam straight 8 Model J.
These are just a couple of many examples. Road cars of several makes in that time period deployed either single or dual OHC. Prevalent use of OHV actually came later.
The point is, it's not new tech. It's just different tech. Each has its pros and cons.
Some apparently don't realize OHC technology is as old/older than OHV technology.
In the early era of the liquid-cooled aircraft engine field, single overhead cam format engines were in existence during the First World War, for both the Allies and the Central Powers. The Hispano-Suiza 8 V8 engine, designed by Marc Birkigt in the Allied camp, and the series of Mercedes inline-6 aviation engines, culminating in the Mercedes D.III for the German Empire, both used rotary shaft-driven single overhead camshaft valve drive systems, and were among the most prominent aviation powerplants of the First World War era.
In 1928 Duesenberg introduced its dual overhead cam straight 8 Model J.
These are just a couple of many examples. Road cars of several makes in that time period deployed either single or dual OHC. Prevalent use of OHV actually came later.
The point is, it's not new tech. It's just different tech. Each has its pros and cons.
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The more you overwehlm him wth facts the dumber his responses get...this thread has become pure entertainment 
I grow so weary of folks knocking pushrod tech as old tech.
Some apparently don't realize OHC technology is as old/older than OHV technology.
In the early era of the liquid-cooled aircraft engine field, single overhead cam format engines were in existence during the First World War, for both the Allies and the Central Powers. The Hispano-Suiza 8 V8 engine, designed by Marc Birkigt in the Allied camp, and the series of Mercedes inline-6 aviation engines, culminating in the Mercedes D.III for the German Empire, both used rotary shaft-driven single overhead camshaft valve drive systems, and were among the most prominent aviation powerplants of the First World War era.
In 1928 Duesenberg introduced its dual overhead cam straight 8 Model J.
These are just a couple of many examples. Road cars of several makes in that time period deployed either single or dual OHC. Prevalent use of OHV actually came later.
The point is, it's not new tech. It's just different tech. Each has its pros and cons.
Some apparently don't realize OHC technology is as old/older than OHV technology.
In the early era of the liquid-cooled aircraft engine field, single overhead cam format engines were in existence during the First World War, for both the Allies and the Central Powers. The Hispano-Suiza 8 V8 engine, designed by Marc Birkigt in the Allied camp, and the series of Mercedes inline-6 aviation engines, culminating in the Mercedes D.III for the German Empire, both used rotary shaft-driven single overhead camshaft valve drive systems, and were among the most prominent aviation powerplants of the First World War era.
In 1928 Duesenberg introduced its dual overhead cam straight 8 Model J.
These are just a couple of many examples. Road cars of several makes in that time period deployed either single or dual OHC. Prevalent use of OHV actually came later.
The point is, it's not new tech. It's just different tech. Each has its pros and cons.